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Bob Burnett

Bob Burnett

Posted: April 16, 2010 09:25 AM

Tax, Baby, Tax

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As we approached Tax Day, April 15, there was increasing conservative rhetoric about the unfairness of US taxes. A typical lament came from conservative ideologue Grover Norquist, "The tax burden is too high. Americans should not (on average) work 3 plus months a year to pay taxes." Knowing that conservatives habitually lie about important political issues, why should we believe what they say about taxes?

We shouldn't. Tax rates have fallen. Fifty years ago, the top marginal tax rate was 91 percent and the bottom rate was 20 percent. In 1960 the median family income was $5600 and the average family paid $1232 in Federal taxes. Last year, the Obama Administration lowered taxes for 95 percent of Americans. Today, the top marginal rate is 35 percent and the bottom is 10 percent. In 2010 the median family income is approximately $50,000 and that would require roughly $7500 in Federal taxes. Over the past 50 years, while median family income has increased ninefold, their taxes are only six times greater.

Tax revenues as a percentage of GDP have also plummeted. A chart from the conservative Heritage Foundation indicates that since 1945, Federal tax receipts as a percentage of GDP have averaged 18.2 percent. In 1960 they were roughly 17 percent and in 2010 the Heritage Foundation expects them to be 14.8 percent - the lowest rate since 1950.

While our taxes are considerably lower than they were fifty years ago, conservatives such as Grover Norguist contend taxes are still too high because government is inefficient. But conservatives forget the US operates in a global economy. So another way to consider US taxes is to compare them to those of our competitors. Writing on his FiveThirtyEight web site, statistician Nate Silver compares US total tax revenues, as a percentage of GDP, to those of the other 29 members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which includes Canada and Mexico, Australia, Japan, Korea, and New Zealand, and the members of the European Union. Mexico was the lowest with 20.6 percent and Sweden was the highest with 49.1 percent. The average was 35.9 percent. The US was the fifth lowest with 28 percent (which includes federal, state, and local taxes.)

When confronted with these facts, conservatives change their argument; they contend the richest Americans pay too much. Writing in USA TODAY, conservative analyst Jonah Goldberg asserts: "60% of American families already get more from the government than they pay in taxes (and the top 10% of earners pay more than 70% of taxes)." "Low-income families tend to benefit most from social services and welfare programs such as food stamps, subsidized housing, Medicaid, and unemployment insurance."

But America's tax/service distribution is similar to those in the OECD countries. Nate Silver observes: "The [before taxes and transfers] maldistribution of income here is about the same as for comparable nations... [But] after-tax-and-transfer income distribution [is considered], of the 26 OECD countries the United States has the most maldistributed income of all 26." In America, the rich do less for the poor than do their counterparts in other developed countries; the US system is unfair, because the top 10% don't pay enough taxes.

When confronted with this evidence, conservatives play their trump card, the claim that taxing the rich hurts the economy. Jonah Goldberg contends: "There's also the simple fact that taxes impede growth, and low economic growth curtails the pursuit of happiness for everyone." Goldberg cites a 2006 study by a conservative think tank. Their ideas were heavily influenced by the discredited Chicago School of Economics, whose notions about the proper relationship between government and the market produced 2008's financial meltdown and The Great Recession.

In reality, there is no persuasive statistical evidence that tax increases have a negative economic impact. Moreover, there's little evidence that tax cuts spur growth. The 2001 Bush Tax cuts - coupled with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq - depressed the economy.

Conservative models of the economy fail because they assume that average consumers - many of whom belong to the "60% of American families [who] already get more from the government than they pay in taxes" - can borrow indefinitely to maintain a comfortable lifestyle. But 2008's financial meltdown proved this to be false.

Economist Joseph Stiglitz contends that the debt-based consumption model of the US economy is broken. Writing in his most recent book,Freefall, Stiglitz observes: "For total American consumption to be restored on a sustainable basis, there would have to be a large redistribution of income, from those at the top who can afford to save, to those below who spend every penny they can get."

Once again, conservatives are lying. The tax burden isn't too high on the rich; it's too low. Tax fairness requires the US to increase taxes on the richest 10 percent of Americans and cut taxes for working families.

 
As we approached Tax Day, April 15, there was increasing conservative rhetoric about the unfairness of US taxes. A typical lament came from conservative ideologue Grover Norquist, "The tax burden is ...
As we approached Tax Day, April 15, there was increasing conservative rhetoric about the unfairness of US taxes. A typical lament came from conservative ideologue Grover Norquist, "The tax burden is ...
 
 
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07:52 AM on 04/19/2010
It isn't a question of better, it's sustainability. Sure this is better but is it sustainable? It's kind of like being loaded. We have to start moving to a VAT tax that punishes deleterious behavior. Plain and simple. We simple cannot afford society's ills anymore. Yeah you can do it but it'll cost you. They are in essence doing this with drugs, but in the most stupid way possible incarcerating productive adults becasue they use a drug is so ludicrous I can not believe I wrote it and it's true. Fro Shame all you judges sending kids to jail for puffing a little weed. FOR SHAME all you police arresting them. FOR SHAME all of you.
05:42 PM on 04/18/2010
Look. The majority of these people are just plain stup!d. They don't read. They don't listen to anything else except FOX News. When the rich were taxed as fairly as they should have been (back in the 1950s), the Treasury had no problem. In 50 years...we've come to this...what we are now. No one...no writer...no columnist...no politician is going to get through to these folks. We've become "The Nation of Stupid," and difficult as that is to reconcile, this is what we are.
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OzzieSmerck
01:02 PM on 04/18/2010
i want political leadership with the balls to say "grow up, shut up, pay up."
05:09 PM on 04/18/2010
Try Venezuela, or North Korea for that kind of leadership.
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OzzieSmerck
12:41 PM on 04/19/2010
well that's a lame and totally unrelated comeback.

i'm so sick of you selfish tax whiners. taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society. of course, we all know you tea partiers don't give a damn about having that.
11:36 AM on 04/18/2010
The top 1% of US tax payers pay 40% of all Fed income taxes, while earning 21% of taxable income

The top 5% of US taxpayers pay 61% of all Fed income taxes.

The bottom 50% of US taxpayers pay 3% of all Fed income taxes

38% of 2008 taxfilers had no income tax liability (paid $0 in Fed income taxes)

Tell me again how upper incomers are not taxed enough?
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TheIndependenceParty
Cranky yankee and a rehabilitated ex-Republican
12:03 PM on 04/18/2010
They are not taxed enough, ... There, we told you again!
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TRex86
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01:57 PM on 04/18/2010
As usual you left out the highly regressive payroll tax. The latter is the highest tax for 75% of Americans. Why do you recycle the tired Replutocratic talking points? As a top earner I agree taxes are too low at the top and too high at the bottom. The top 0.5% are the only Americans to benefit from Reagonomics, which has created the greatest wealth differentials since the Gilded Age. Since exporting our industrial base has left a consumption driven economy it's quite obvious that enriching a handful of people at the top doesn't create a sustainable economy since it doesn't translate into purchasing power across all sectors. Duh.
02:21 PM on 04/18/2010
Yep, the wingnuts always hone in on that Federal Income tax, as if that is the only tax there is.

They don't want to talk about all the other myriad of taxes out there, most of which are highly regressive.
05:07 PM on 04/18/2010
The highly regressive payroll taxes (SS & Medicare) are returned to the payor upon retirement or disability.

"Why do you recycle the tired Replutocratic talking points?" - I was unaware that data from the IRS and the Tax Policy Institute we're "talking points"

"The top 0.5% are the only Americans to benefit from Reagonomics, which has created the greatest wealth differentials since the Gilded Age." -That's patently false- care to back up that assertion with facts?

At what point do facts matter to the left? Or do facts simply get in the way of emotional rhetoric and ad hominems?
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09:48 AM on 04/18/2010
Great Article - for those that wrap themselves in the flag and scream socialism the truth is that your hero Reagan was a strong public advocate for weath redistribution - over and over again - he spoke of the "trickle down" effect and how wonderful life would be if we would take care of the upper 5% of earners they would take care of the rest of us with their investment and paternal good will towards all with less. Obviously this 30 year experiment has been a disaster for the vast majority of Americans, and, with the greed driven melt down we recently experienced, a painful lesson for most of the world. Increasing the tax burden by 20% or 30% or more on the highest earners isn't going to stop these "poor abused folks" from summering in the Hamptons or Europe in their exclusive hideaways. However, it will once again put the capital back into doing what Reagan promised it would - taking care of the needs of the nation. This with - along with the realignment of priorities away building killing machines and maintaining the out moded concept of Empire towards productive human endeavors, will finally allow America to resume and maintain it's role as the enlighted leader of the world.
jerseyjoe99982002
less government means more in my pocket
04:53 PM on 04/17/2010
Interesting arguments , but i view this article as another example of fomenting class warfare and a socialist agenda. Thinking forward, it really does not matter what tax rates we pay, or they pay, or anyone pays, because basically, this nation is going broke. If anyone really believes that taxes can and will make up for the trillions of dollars of debt we are facing , is ignoring the facts. What this article does not address is standard of living, and the impact debt and taxes have on standard of living. Basically, I am saying no matter what the politicians do about taxes makes no difference, because in the end, they are counting on hyper inflation , to pay off our debt. When that happens , we will all be taxed , not by a rate, but by lost values in what we own , and loss of purchasing power. Honestly, does anyone in this site believe that the US is too big to fail? We all thought some business were too big to fail, and they did. So what makes government, and entity that does not produce any goods and services , too big to fail? Of course, we can all live under the illision that money is infinate, that we can print as much as we want, and spend as much as we want, but that illusion will become evident when we fail.
09:59 PM on 04/17/2010
Actually I do believe with a flat tax of 30% on everything we buy, and not having income tax will fix the deficit in 2 years. This is because there are billions of dollars not being paid in taxes by Illegal immigrants, drug dealer, and any other person working "under the table" but if there is a 30% tax on everything they couldn't avoid paying it. And for the liberals that includes the super rich, they couldnt duck taxes either, problem solved
11:42 AM on 04/18/2010
Agree- the more I research the idea of repealing the 16th amendment (fat chance, but one can dream), combined with a national sales tax or a VAT would do the things you've noted. The regressive nature of a VAT/national sales tax would need to be dealt with in some manner, such as something similar to the current EIC.

The reality is, the most likely tax reform that could happen would be a 'flattening" of both individual and corporate rates, with an elimination of (non-income determing) deductions - i.e. the schedule A deductions, the targeted tax credits and other "rent seeking" giveaways in the tax code.
02:23 PM on 04/18/2010
Fomenting class warfare?

What B.S.

The class war was started by the right wingers 30 years ago.

A full scale, balls to the wall, counter attack is long overdue. ,
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
07:25 PM on 04/18/2010
Bingo....Talk about Class Warfare, that was cutting Income Taxes for the rich from 91% to 16% (the amount the top 400 richest people in this country pay.) God forbid, they should pay taxes for the infrastructure that is needed to support their incomes....
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PRONESE
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03:00 PM on 04/17/2010
Wealth re distribution
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03:53 PM on 04/17/2010
That is right. If we go back to the fifties when the top paid 90% of the top earners. I was alive then. The country was much better than now. You say wealth distribution is bad if it redetributes? I agree with you. In the last thirty years we have redistrubed the wealth to the rich. i just want to get it back to normal before this fraud of Reaganomics destroyed the middle class in this country!
04:30 PM on 04/18/2010
Sorry but that is a crock.The 50's were a terrible time financially for the middle class.I remember we had barely 2 nickles to rub together back then despite all the hard work of my Dad.

There was one thing different back then however.If you refused to work you got hungry!

Now we have nearly more people in the wagon than we have pulling the wagon.
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FirstGame72
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01:51 PM on 04/17/2010
That clock is ticking away to the end of those Bush tax cuts and I have no doubt prosperity will follow (as it did in '93 when Clinton/Gore raised public revenue by taxing the rich).
I can only pray that this is followed by the top 1% of the elites "going Gault" and starting their own Shangra-La like society somewhere in the mountains of the northwest U.S.
Those two events occuring in the same year would be a double burden lifted from the backs of hard working Americans.
03:21 PM on 04/17/2010
In that event I hope they take their business overseas and it will leave nobody paying the bill. What will you freeloaders do then? What ever happened to every American being equal? Why shouldn't every American pay the same percentage of their income in federal taxes? Any other way is truly un-American, unfair, and divisive.
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FirstGame72
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06:57 PM on 04/17/2010
A) What businesses would they be able to run from some remote mountain retreat in the Black Hills of South Dakota?
B) Why shouldn't every American be paid the same exact amount per hour for the work they do no matter what it is?
Any other way is truly un-American, unfair, and divisive.
Democrat in the South
Empathy, the most important word
11:23 PM on 04/17/2010
The reason the top earners in this country need to be taxed to death is because if they aren't taxed enough, they get an attitude like yours in your comment. When too much wealth is in the hands of a few, the few begin to think they are special and shouldn't have to play by the same rules as working class Americans. When you profit from an economic system you are obligated to give back to the system. Too much money creates attitudes that are unbecoming. Mainly it creates selfishness.
12:33 PM on 04/17/2010
We are at a point where the USA is dependent on a few to pay the way, and thus exposed to the behaviors of those few. If they decide to retire early, or invest differently (think tax free munis) or work less, the impact on the rest of us will be great. This is what NYC knows its up against - half of iincome taxes are paid by fewer than 20,000 out of 8 million. A quarter of US income taxes are paid by 1 percent of Americans, half by 5 percent and no net income taxes paid by half.

We're getting to the point, with 25 percent of GDP going to government spending and 19 percent of GDP coming in as taxes, where the people who want to benefit from new government programs will need to step up and pay for them.

Is it time for a "no representation without taxation" philosophy to kick in?

Soaking the rich is a fool's game - if you aren't giving at least 10 percent of income to charity to help the poor and needy (and I note that Joe Biden gave only about 1.5 percent of their last year's income to charity - way to step up for the poor, Joe) then you aren't really serious about anything other than having others pay for what you want.
03:22 PM on 04/17/2010
The most lucid and truthful post I have read on HP!! Kudos.
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EbonBear
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09:16 PM on 04/17/2010
"no net income taxes paid by half"

NOT TRUE! This is true only for FEDERAL income tax. The majority pay payroll taxes and various state taxes.
06:10 PM on 04/19/2010
On the other hand the other half pays those taxes PLUS Federal income tax.
IMOPINIONH8D
because I want it empty...
09:05 AM on 04/17/2010
The bush tax cuts should have been eliminated day one of the Obama admin. They got appx 2 trillion in tax cuts , where are all those jobs all that money was supposed to create? Take the richest tax rate back up to Eisenhower levels until everything gets straightened out, regulate big banks like before regan. Trickle down economics didn't work just like any idea pushed by the repubs.
02:56 PM on 04/17/2010
Sadly, Obama seems to agree with GOP on trickle down
he says he cant raise the billionaires taxes over 20% because they are investors
Obama pays more than the hedge funders and bankers who caused the meltdown
banana republican
Provoking Progressives with unwelcome perspectives
05:38 AM on 04/17/2010
The wealthy don't have their money buried in a vault in the back yard. It's invested in that 7/11 down the street, the building where you just bought your groceries and the tractor-trailers that delivered them to the store. If the govenment confiscates that money, it will go to pay off campaign contributors, unions, and to fund organizations like Acorn. Why is the latter the wisest choice?
05:55 AM on 04/17/2010
That is absurd. Countries in Europe which tax higher than us are pulling away from us in education, competiveness, and infrastructure. The hedge funds in this country have grown to gigantic amounts because the rich have so much money to spend. The 7-11 is not bought with that money it is used in finacial speculation, which not only does not help the country but hurts it. Countries like Germany invest there money in the middle class and they have no crooked wall stret class like we do. Go to Europe fpr yourself, considering it was lamost destroyed in the war it is amazing that they live better than we do. The same for Australia. The idea that the U.S is the best standard of living is Fox news propoganda. Along with your Ayn Rand philosophy that you appear to subscribe to.
12:39 PM on 04/17/2010
Europe is doing better? Come on. Check out Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy and Ireland. Great Britain is in big trouble and the Germans are ready to stop paying for all of the rest. If you want more, the way to get it isn't to soak someone else (and remember - the money that is not the government's -- it is yours and if the government takes it away from you to pay over the market wages to government employees (check out the current state of play in New Jersey) then you have every right to resent the hell out of it). It's time for a whole bunch of Americans to get busy, work hard, get all the education they can and get ready to compete with the rest of the world on an equal footing. Immigrants to this country should be brought in solely on the basis of education and capability (sorry, but that means a whole bunch of you will be working for them) and not because they are poor people from an adjoining border. If they can do well here, then so ought the rest of us. Bust asses, pay taxes, stop being jealous of the successes of others. If you can't find a job where you live, move somewhere else where you can get one. If you aren't happy here, try out Australia. Expecting to do better by taking money from others isn't pretty and it won't work.
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Ravan A
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06:48 AM on 04/17/2010
Take a drink, a republican mentioned confiscate, payoffs, unions and Acorn.

Can't you people make a point without trotting out garbage talking points from discredited clowns? Do you have anything independent, original or realistic to say?
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tc399
Your personal Eschatologist.
11:42 PM on 04/16/2010
I suppose it is completely out of the question for 'Income tax' to be based on income. I'm pretty sure that if everyone paid a fair share...10%? They wouldn't have to quit work and create foundations to give all of their excess money away.
09:21 PM on 04/16/2010
"Tax fairness requires the US to increase taxes on the richest 10 percent of Americans and cut taxes for working families"

HOW EXACTLY DO YOU CUT TAXES ON WORKING FAMILIES WHEN 50% OF AMERICANS AREN'T PAYING ANY FEDERAL INCOME TAX?
banana republican
Provoking Progressives with unwelcome perspectives
05:40 AM on 04/17/2010
You should know better than to try to interject reason into a HuffPo comment thread.
12:40 PM on 04/17/2010
You clearly aren't writing from the perspective of a college dorm room.
02:18 PM on 04/17/2010
Well to begin with the poorest of the poor pay lots of taxes other than the federal income tax.

However, if I were dictator everyone would pay something.

I'd start out with 10% for those at the very bottom and work up to a 90% rate at the top.

And I'd take away all the loopholes.

Everybody would fill out a 1040-EZ.

There would be no deductions.
03:23 PM on 04/17/2010
LOL, 90% from the top huh? Tell me what would be their incentive to work hard and be the top if you will just take 90% of their efforts? Another foolish line from the party of "give me what you got".
07:45 PM on 04/16/2010
I'm going to repeat my previous proposal on Federal Taxes.

Increase the number of brackets from 6 to 12. Brackets 7 through 12 would
begin after the current top bracket, and progress upward to a top rate of 48% at $900K.

The great majority of citizens, who make less than $350K per year, would see no change
in their rates.

Certainly a great deal of detail would need filling in, but that would be the core idea. Any takers?
12:41 PM on 04/17/2010
Flat tax at 12 percent, no deductions or loopholes. No representation without taxation.
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EbonBear
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09:02 PM on 04/17/2010
You ARE represented, braintrust.
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bighat
Truth as I see it
07:23 PM on 04/16/2010
Back to the days of income tax at 90%. Add in FICA of 15.33 %

So the liberals want the rich to pay 105.33%.

Interesting
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
07:32 PM on 04/18/2010
Get a life, remember FICA stops at 106 grand so that FICA does not apply to over 95% of their income....