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RNC 2012: The GOP's Confusion and Lies About the Debt

Posted: 08/29/2012 2:17 pm

Yesterday, as delegates gathered in Tampa to nominate Mitt Romney for president in the name of less government, less spending and less interference in state matters, Louisiana's Republican governor, Bobby Jindal, stepped up to a microphone and, with Hurricane Isaac on the way, not only demanded federal cash and assistance, but also complained that the cash and assistance already offered by the president -- the allegedly socialist wealth-redistributor president -- wasn't enough. According to CBS News:

"We appreciate your response to our request and your approval," Jindal wrote. "However, the state's original request for federal assistance ... included a request for reimbursement for all emergency protective measures. The federal declaration of emergency only provides for direct federal assistance."

Several years ago, Jindal, like Republican vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan, vocally opposed the stimulus but couldn't wait to beg for a slice of the money. In Jindal's case, he even gleefully posed for a photo opportunity with a gigantic sweepstakes-sized stimulus check.

You might also recall Jindal's flop-sweat inducing response to the president's State of the Union address in which Jindal snarked about government spending on transportation and "volcano monitoring." It slipped nicely into the on-going attack on the president as a "wealth redistributor" -- a communist, a Marxist, a European socialist. But then, when the stimulus was passed, and yesterday when Louisiana was confronted with another natural disaster, and when Jindal faced the obvious reality that states -- any state -- are incapable of mitigating and responding to natural disasters, he begged for wealth that's been redistributed from New Yorkers, Californians, Oregonians and Hawaiians with their silly volcano monitoring. (Thanks to Sorkin for inspiring that last part.)

Deepening the meta-inconsistency of the Republican record of "sucking from the government teat" in spite of their perpetual demagoguery of the same, 62 percent of the RNC arena in Tampa was built with taxpayer money redistributed by the state government from Floridians who might never actually see an event there, and if they do, they'll have to pay admission for the privilege (capitalism!).

Meanwhile, the RNC mounted a large digital debt clock inside the arena that will calculate in real time the increase in the national debt throughout the course of this week's convention. The message: government spending is out of control. A Twitter follower said the "We Built This" theme of the convention refers to the debt clock. Hilarious and true. As we've documented here, the largest drivers of the current national debt are the policies that Republican delegates in 2000, 2004 and 2008 demanded: trillion dollar tax cuts, trillion dollar wars and deregulatory policies that caused a major financial collapse and the deepest recession in 80 years. All of these factors have combined to create the debt which the Republicans are currently lamenting.

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While we're here, what's the mathematical reality? Throughout yesterday evening, speaker after speaker bashed the Obama record on the debt (they also confusingly conflated it with the deficit). Ohio governor John Kasich and Virginia governor Bob McDonnell each insisted that President Obama "doubled" the debt. First, this is patently untrue. The debt has increased by just 41.4 percent during the first several years of the president's term, from around $10 trillion to $15 trillion. Ronald Reagan, on the other hand, presided over a near-doubling of the debt, increasing the number by 188 percent. Bush 41 presided over a 55.6 percent increase, and Bush 43 presided over an 89 percent increase. At the same time, the year-over-year increase in the debt under President Obama has dropped from 15 percent to 4 percent. The president also cut the deficit from $1.4 trillion in his first year to $900 billion in 2013 (projected by the CBO) -- and it's worth noting that $1.2 trillion of the 2009 deficit was inherited from a George W. Bush spending request in 2008.

Yet the Republicans, in predictable form, are merely and myopically staring at the big scary number and taking it at face value -- devoid of context or appropriate comprehension.

So if these confused, self-contradictory people truly wanted to be responsible for cutting government spending, building their own businesses and financing their own disaster relief, perhaps they should be challenged to do so. I assure you, a guy who wants to open a bait and tackle shop in Mississippi will have a hard time bringing in customers when he's suddenly responsible for building and maintaining the roads leading to his store, and he'll have a tough time securing his revenue when the FDIC refuses to protect his bank deposits. Many of the business owners featured in Romney's small government "We built this!" commercials have received loans and grants from the federal government -- money which helped to increase the digital debt clock inside the RNC concert hall.

Naturally, states don't have the tax base to unilaterally finance their own affairs, and the federal government is uniquely positioned to spend money when no one else can. It can stimulate economic growth when businesses and consumers can't invest in the economy and it can help Bobby Jindal rebuild after a hurricane. It can rack up a large debt because its credit is solid and, at the end of the day, it can print money. Businesses can't do that. Families can't do that.

The Republican hatred of the debt is entirely about an apoplectic hatred of President Obama and the notion that perhaps liberal policies could actually succeed, and so they'll latch on to anything that sounds outrageous, irrespective of whether it indicts their own actions and beliefs. If they truly cared about the debt, they would renounce every Republican leader beginning with the Reagan administration and including Mitt Romney, whose economic plan would add trillions to the deficit and the debt. Yet they've fooled themselves into believing that a would-be Republican president could reverse the trajectory of the debt, or even eliminate it entirely, while also making the Bush tax cuts permanent and, as a special unfunded bonus, perhaps an invasion of Iran in there, too. Mitt Romney will do all of the above and more. You know, because the debt is too high.

Cross-posted at The Daily Banter.
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moviefantastic
The truth shall set you free
09:20 PM on 08/31/2012
RNC 2012: The GOP's Confusion and Lies About the Debt

"Yesterday, as delegates gathered in Tampa to nominate Mitt Romney for president in the name of less government, less spending and less interference in state matters, Louisiana's Republican governor, Bobby Jindal, stepped up to a microphone and, with Hurricane Isaac on the way, not only demanded federal cash and assistance, but also complained that the cash and assistance already offered by the president -- the allegedly socialist wealth-redistributor president -- wasn't enough. According to CBS News:
"We appreciate your response to our request and your approval," Jindal wrote. "However, the state's original request for federal assistance ... included a request for reimbursement for all emergency protective measures. The federal declaration of emergency only provides for direct federal assistance."

• oK. We don't want "big government" but send money, soon.
• We don't like taxes for the wealthiest, but the middle class is ok
• Medicare/Medicaid is expensive, but the trillion in big oil profits is acceptable, by the way, please increase their subsidies.
03:36 AM on 08/31/2012
A good argument. I think you are right that prior Republican presidents were in no small way responsible for the massive pile of debt that has been heaped on future generations. And maybe you're right that Romney/Ryan wouldn't end up actually doing anything about it if elected. But don't confuse the current candidates with Republicans from the past, like Bush's "neo-conservatives". Parties can evolve, just the the democratic party evolved from the one that started the Vietnam War. I for one am glad that the choice of Ryan as vice presidential candidate has shifted the debate towards fiscal responsibility and away from... Chick-fil-a?
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Laura Cody
A New Dawn - I hope for change
10:00 AM on 09/03/2012
You are right, parties do evolve, the Republicans have swung from policies that is now attributed to the left to as far right has one can get without falling off the edge of the earth into the abyss...

The Democrats are the new conservatives, they want to maintain the status quo. Obamacare is mostly about maintaining the healthcare system as is with a few changes, the biggest, asking [making] everyone to participate to spread out the costs.

The Republicans can no longer make that claim that they are conservative.. they say they want to "restore" America but what they really want to do is an extreme makeover and in some cases, stuff that is just plain absurd.

But your claim that Bush's neocons aren't still in charge seems a bit naive. They are still pulling the strings and R/R will most likely repeat the Bush years. Vote for them at your own peril.
10:28 PM on 09/03/2012
Things are changing as can be seen in the rise of the Tea Party and the relative success of candidates like Ron Paul, who campaigned on a platform of, among other things, a rolling back of the military and a return of the Republican party to its roots in non-interventionism in foreign affairs. Now some of Ron Paul's ideas are being incorporated into the Republican platform.

The problem with the status quo is that it is not sustainable. Politicians shower ever-increasing amounts of borrowed money on constituents, placing the bill on some imaginary people in the future who are going to work really hard and pay it all off. As Europe is discovering, that system cannot go on forever. And when it falls apart it will be much more painful than the current recession. It will be more on the scale of the Great Depression which had different effects in different places. In Germany the effect was hyperinflation and a total loss of the purchasing power of money - i.e. all monetary wealth is wiped out - which of course paved the way for Hitler.

Policymakers think they are smart enough to avoid something like that this time. But, as the comedy of human history teaches us, they never are.
06:36 PM on 08/30/2012
Note that Reagan's increase of the debt at 188% is not "nearly doubling" the debt. It's nearly tripling the debt. An increase of 200% is tripling the original amount.
Benjacomin Bozart
Jefferson-better to eat bacon at home than to rule
04:35 PM on 08/30/2012
Time to pass an Amendment that says states only get back what their citizens pay in taxes. The South would collapse along with the farm subsidy states. They are building useless ships in Mississippi because its a welfare jobs program. There is an Air Force base in South Dakota because it is a welfare jobs program and the second biggest employer in the state.
Benjacomin Bozart
Jefferson-better to eat bacon at home than to rule
04:32 PM on 08/30/2012
I would love to see another Hurricane Andrew destroy Florida and see if their criminal governor will refuse the socialist Federal assistance or do the Republican two-faced lying shuffle.
11:21 AM on 08/30/2012
"states don't have the tax base to unilaterally finance their own affairs,". For the most part the blue states have always paid more in Federal taxes than they receive back in services. Red states like Jindal's receive more than they pay. It would be interesting to look at the numbers to see if the blue states collected this difference themselves instead of paying these taxes into the Federal treasury, whether your statement would still be true. I am guessing over time that it would not be and that the blue states could take care of themselves if they just stopped subsidizing the poorer states. Maybe a few years of that would end the hypocrisy. Probably not good for the country in the short run, but let's give these states what they are asking for (less government spending) and see how it works out.
10:46 AM on 08/30/2012
It is not "government's money". It is OUR money that is collected in taxes for public good, such as natural disasters. Jindal is right on the money here, the cash should be spend where it counts. Not for the volcano monitoring in the middle of New York state.
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01:03 PM on 08/30/2012
We are the government. That's the nature of the grand experiment. Feudalism and monarchy requires a top down system. We are all part of the system and we pay and benefit collectively. Regarding Gov. Jindal's point about volcano monitoring, we actually had an active volcano eruption after his pointed remarks in Alaska. Believe it or not, our present system of government works well when we employ people who believe in our system of government.
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Free Plaxico
01:26 PM on 08/30/2012
Last I checked a volcano erupting would be a natural disaster. What' wrong with trying to figure out when the disaster is going to happen so we can save lives and property and the state the Volcano is in can spend less of "Our" Money
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harrymcg
10:40 AM on 08/30/2012
This has been the most vile/misquotes/master of scare/voter ID if it was good enough for george without voter ID why now ?? Are U concered about losing? Read how SC is in trouble and admitted their other ID law did rep. Part
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10:39 AM on 08/30/2012
It's like that old expression "You can't have your cake and eat it too." People should realize they get resourses they need from our US government to help with things like natural disasters. Instead of the Republicans blaming the US government for interfering with their lives people should be grateful for that help they receive from old Uncle Sam. Maybe there would be a different tone at this convention if they would only recognize that. Perhaps too there would a different candidate representing their party if they would only think about it for what it is.
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tdpubs
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01:05 PM on 08/30/2012
They cannot recognize the good things their government does unless a Republican is in the White House. It is that simple.
09:44 AM on 08/30/2012
Spin it anyway you want but the debt under Obama went from 9 trillion to 16 trillion. Lets get the numbers right. The really scary part is Obama has done nothing to curb this spending.
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Silverfern
10:46 AM on 08/30/2012
Did you even read the article? If so, go and read the article again. At least look at the pretty picture.
10:53 AM on 08/30/2012
You want to know what is even scarier. The Romney/Ryan budget would increase the deficit even more than Obama's. The policies that Romney/Ryan are calling for are the same ones that Bush implemented in 2001-2002 that took the budget surplus to the $1.2 trillion/year deficit when he left office. It took 20 years to turn Reagan's deficits into a surplus, why do you think fixing Bush's could be done in 4?
09:13 AM on 08/30/2012
Bush 43 added another 4 trillion dollars in debt over 8 years, and on a percentage basis did increase the national debt more than Obama. Obama added another 6 trillion in debt in less than 4 years, arguably making his contribution to the problem more egregious.

Either way, continued deficit spending is ruinous.

I supposed one of the reasons why conservatives might decry additional taxes is because of the broken promises of the Democrats in Congress when Bush 41 was in office. Remember, Bush struck a bargain with the Democrat-controlled Congress whereby Congress would cut $2 in spending for every $1 in tax increase. The tax increases were passed, but the Democrats failed to keep their word on the spending cuts.
10:57 AM on 08/30/2012
And yet strangely enough the budget was balance by the end of Clinton's term and the economy had added 20 million jobs. This despite the claims by the GOP when Clinton passed his tax increases that the result would be economic devastation. Then when the GOP took over they blew the deficit wide open. Of course they claimed their policies would bring an economic miracle. Instead they almost wiped out the economy.
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sunbeltvoter
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10:59 AM on 08/30/2012
Enough with the Republican revisionist history and LIES. W Bush addd at least $6.4 trillion to the debt. You neocons just love lowering that number each post. Just more Republican lies. It is all you do.
07:50 AM on 08/30/2012
All they want to do is kill the truth and fill our minds with poison.
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AMACHA
Getting it Straight
07:29 AM on 08/30/2012
It will be interesting to see if the Pubs can hide out on Faux News and still get elected without having to answer any questions. If so it bodes ill for our republic.
07:49 AM on 08/30/2012
Exactly what I was thinking. They are counting on those that only watch Faux so none of the lies will be challenged.
09:08 AM on 08/30/2012
Works for president Obama who does puff interviews with entertainment tonight, etc.
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Silverfern
10:46 AM on 08/30/2012
Obama has been on Faux News.
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phoenixdoglover
My dog loves my progressive treats agenda
07:27 AM on 08/30/2012
Bob, you've captured the dissonance pretty well, with a healthy dollop of disdain.  The GOP is deserving of that, and then some.  I have seen that debt graph numerous times posted on HP, and I have provided links to it in my comments in other threads. I have never once seen a so-called conservative respond to it, dispute it, or acknowledge it. Guilt ridden or incapable? Probably both.
11:32 AM on 08/30/2012
This has been a conservative talking point since Reagan blew up the deficit with his "Star Wars" program. He actually thought - in his Alzheimer's riddled fog - that he was going to surround the US with a super secret missile shield to ward of the Russians. A total fantasy that broke the 1 Trillion Dollar mark.

Since then, they've railed on the deficit when out of power and balloned it when in power. It's called "Starve the Beast". The GOP doesn't believe the government should spend money on anything but wars. The citizens are on their own for highways, natural disasters, and most especially for medical care, retirement and in times of need.
07:25 AM on 08/30/2012
The typical republican:

"devoid of context or appropriate comprehension."
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Bladesmith
Hammering out some red hot truth.
01:46 PM on 08/30/2012
Or shame or responsibility.