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Obama vs. McCain Wrap-Up: Thoughts on the Second Presidential Debate
** Los Angeles, 8:46 PM **
Well, the second debate is now in the books. It was supposed to be a town hall meeting, but really it was more like a traditional debate, with a few scripted questions thrown in from the crowd. All day long, pundits have been saying that this was going to be John McCain's last great opportunity (?) to flip the script and change the dynamic of the election.
Did he flip it? No way.
Did he change the dynamic? Absolutely not.
Did Barack Obama land a knockout punch? Don't really think so.
(And what exactly would constitute a knockout punch?)
Seriously. I want to know.
For a debate to change the dynamic at this point, in this political environment, it seems that someone would have to fall flat on his or her face in a totally egregious way---which might explain why 70 million Americans tuned in to watch Biden-Palin last week in St. Louis. The chances of an actual implosion were highest in that contest, on that night, by far. And even there, we didn't see it.
Why?
Because Palin the candidates were able to work off of a script, more or less. Zero follow-up questions. And whenever that happens, you're not likely to see anything freakish or cinematic or spontaneously revealing.
***Breaking news: Snap polls are already in, and once again they are showing that Barack Obama won the debate. From Talking Points Memo:
In CNN's poll of debate-watchers, Obama won by a 54%-30% margin. In the CBS poll of uncommitted debate-watchers, Obama won 39%-27%.
The CNN poll's numbers were just read on TV, showing that Obama is seen as better on Iraq by 51%-47%, McCain has a 51%-46% edge on terrorism---a subject where he's usually done much better than this---and Obama wins 59%-37% on the economy. On the current financial crisis, Obama wins 57%-36%
Both the first presidential debate and the Veep debate showed the Dem winning---and both were followed by the Democratic ticket gaining more and more in the polls.
Late Update: Some more numbers from the CNN poll were read just now on the air: Obama is seen as the stronger leader 54%-43%, and is more likable 65%-28%.
Other final thoughts on tonight's debate:
1.) These two guys don't really like each other all that much. McCain in particular doesn't seem to think very highly of Barack Obama. And he can't hide it.
2.) McCain didn't seem loose. Didn't seem very relaxed. And he certainly didn't seem to be having fun. There was a grim sort of tension in his face as he operated.
3.) Barack Obama was more aggressive than I thought he would be. Considering his lead in the polls, I expected him to play more "prevent defense." But instead he went after McCain early and often, jabbing him in every answer.
4.) Obama once again played strong on McCain's turf, doing a nice job on foreign policy and drawing stark distinctions between himself and his opponent. And in a debate centered on economic themes, Obama was particularly effective when talking about the economic fallout of the war in Iraq. This was a deft blending of domestic and foreign policy, and I suspect it hit home across the country.
5.) The prevailing logic was that McCain needed to land a knockout blow, while Obama needed to remain steady, counter McCain's punches, and land jabs. Under these criteria, it would seem obvious that Obama won the night handily. What's more, he landed plenty of hard punches.
6.) McCain's line of the night: "What I don't know is what the unexpected will be."
(Or something to that effect.) This was his response to the final question of the night, which was: "What don't you know, and how will you learn it?" And best of all, McCain went second! He had time to think it over, and this bit of bad Rumsfeldian poetry is the best he could come up with! I find this genuinely funny. And it's a shame that John McCain didn't actually mean it as a joke, because it would've gone over much better than the other cracks he tried to make throughout the course of the evening, all of which failed miserably.
7.) Obama's line of the night: "The Straight Talk Express lost a wheel on that one."
Obama had some good moments in the foreign policy realm as well, but tonight's debate and the election in general are about the economy, and this was a great retort to John McCain's distortion of Obama's tax policy, which included the following bogus, scarifying claims:
"Senator Obama's secret that you don't know is that his tax increases will increase taxes on 50 percent of small business revenue. Small businesses across America will have to cut jobs, and will have their taxes increased, and won't be able to hire, because of Senator Obama's tax policies."
8.) Neither candidate is entirely comfortable talking about his plans for handling the economic crisis.
9.) Both candidates were sure to walk towards the citizens in the live studio audience---an obvious nod to 1992 and Bill Clinton's much discussed feel-your-pain moment that effectively ended George H. W. Bush's chances of winning a second term.
10.) Senator Obama: It's wet behind the ears. Wet. Not green behind the ears. I realize you know this, and I realize it was a simple slip of the tongue, but I figured I'd point it out anyway. In an election in which your opponents are making desperate attempts to paint you as a dangerous, evil alien, the last thing you want to do is talk about being green behind your ears. Just sayin'. You don't want Sean Hannity to think you're, like, a Martian or something.
Okay then. I think that about does it for me. Time for a beverage.
Once again, my thanks to everyone for reading and playing along.
As always, I welcome your thoughts on the comment board below, and I'll try to respond to as many of them as I can.
Over and out,
-BL
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** Los Angeles, 7:35 PM **
Good moment for McCain shaking hands with the Naval officer. That will play well with Middle America, undecideds, etc. It seemed genuine---one of the few truly genuine moments for McCain all evening. The rest of it seemed like calculated knifery.
(Is knifery a word?)
Anyway, it should be.
Knifery.
And I liked the fact that Obama didn't also try to shake the Naval officer's hand. That would've seemed forced, and the media would've pounced. Another display of good instincts by Obama. He thanked the man for his service, and then he launched into a very well-reasoned response regarding his thoughts on Iran.
What don't you know, and how will you learn it?
A tough, "Zen-like" final question to the debate, and Obama went first. He didn't really answer the question, but instead pivoted and went into a closing argument of sorts centered on his extraordinary personal story and how it only could have happened in America.
McCain, having more time to consider, answered the question a bit more directly, stating: "I don't know what will happen." Or something to that effect.
No sh**, John.
And then he, too, pivoted into his own American story, his military career, and the familiar notes of "country first," and "it has been a privilege to serve."
Back in a moment with final thoughts....
** Los Angeles, 7:19 PM **
McCain's comments about Obama "talking loudly" and "announcing that he's going to attack Pakistan" were ridiculous. Such a blatant distortion of the truth. Rovian in its shamelessness.
This was the most direct exchange of the night. And it was probably the highest level of personal interaction I've seen in either of the first two debates. I cringed a little bit when Obama started laying into McCain, talking about how McCain tries to sound "somber" and so on. I thought the line was going poorly...and then Obama recovered beautifully, reminding voters that John McCain once sang "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran"---among other things.
Hardly an example of talking softly, Senator McCain. And certainly unbecoming of a commander in chief.
And you're accusing Obama of telegraphing his punches?
Please.
** Los Angeles, 7:07 PM **
If John McCain says "my friends" one more time, I'm going to bite myself. Just thought I'd mention that.
And: Weak joke about hair transplants, Senator McCain. It bombed. It whizzed across the room and fell to the floor like a dead balloon.
I thought the health care back-and-forth was another score for Obama. I just don't get the sense that McCain is speaking effectively to the concerns of ordinary people. He's trying, mind you. He's really going after it. But I don't get the sense that he's connecting.
The reason, I think, is that he's totally not of "the real world" when it comes to basic economics. The fact is that he's fabulously, fabulously wealthy, and he has been ever since he married Cindy. For the majority of his adult life, he has never had to deal with these sorts of issues in any kind of personal way. And Obama has. And plainly, it shows.
Also: Obama just did a great job of taking a question about national security, hammering John McCain on his judgment, tying him to George W. Bush, and then weaving it back into the economic crisis by talking about the cost of the war in Iraq.
One of the great surprises of the first two presidential debates has been Obama's ability to hold his own on foreign policy, John McCain's supposed area of expertise.
Just bit myself.
Back in a moment....
** Los Angeles, 6:46 PM **
Senator Obama's secret that you don't know...
Just heard that one from John McCain regarding Obama's tax policies. And here we have another Republican meme: Obama is "secretive" and "liberal." And did you hear that he has "terrorist pals?"
Blech. So dumb. So typically Republican.
And it's great to watch Obama rightly strike back with a zinger that's sure to get airtime: "The Straight Talk Express lost a wheel on that one."
Indeed it did.
McCain tried to make inroads on Obama's tax position, sounding an unusually populist theme with ample application of "my friends" and "rhetoric vs. record," and so on. And Obama gave no ground. He has a good sense of when to shoot back and when to hold back.
Clearly this is McCain's aggressive play to connect on the economy---or one part of it, anyway. Taxes are his best chance, even if what he's saying isn't true.
The questions is: Who's buying it?
** Los Angeles, 6:32 PM **
Liberal: There's that word. John McCain just called Barack Obama the most liberal man in the United States Senate, or something to that effect. You sort of knew it was coming. One of the "must include" zingers on McCain's short list. At this point it sounds like what it is---just another weak attack line lifted from the echo chamber---though I suppose if there are actually people out there who are just beginning to tune in, maybe it would have some sort of impact. Maybe.
And what about these so-called "undecided voters?" I gotta be honest, this sort of rankles me. Who the hell are these people? After the past two years, after the endless debates and the endless primaries and the endless media cycles and the endless spin cycles, you still haven't figured out where you stand? Seriously?
It seems sort of unbelievable to me.
On an unrelated note, I thought it was a nice touch for Obama to call out the price of gas in Nashville: $3.80 a gallon. A savvy inclusion. Politically speaking, it helps him connect and be "in touch" with the plight of the average American.
Gotta wonder if John McCain knows what a gallon of gasoline costs in his own neighborhood, much less Nashville, TN. For one of his thirteen cars. Or his private jet. Et cetera.
Back in a moment....
** Los Angeles, 6:17 PM **
McCain was blinking rapidly as he greeted Obama at center-stage. I read somewhere that McCain views his campaigns as combat, more or less, and his opponents as "enemies." It's how he gets himself psyched up. It's how he maintains his energy level through the long slog of a marathon campaign.
I couldn't help but think of that as they shook hands. Obama seemed gracious and professional; McCain did that blinking-tight-lipped-clenched-teeth-smile thing. His disdain seemed palpable.
Another interesting point: Both McCain and Obama name-checked Warren Buffett when asked about who they would choose as the next Secretary of the Treasury. A safe choice.
The key difference: Obama deftly reminded voters that Buffett is supporting him in the election. Score one for Obama. Minus one for McCain.
It also seems that Obama is being the aggressor early on, going right at John McCain's lock-step voting record with Republicans on de-regulatory economic policy. Obama is throwing punches and hammering middle class economic themes. This subject matter plays to his strengths.
So far McCain has taken a surprisingly docile tone.
And thank god Tom Brokaw is asking some follow-up questions.
Back soon....
-BL
** Los Angeles, 5:58 PM **
Okay. Moments before the second presidential debate and the question at the forefront of my mind is this: How aggressively personal will John McCain be in going after Barack Obama?
Will we hear about William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright?
Will McCain ask Barack Obama "who he really is" and so on?
Will subtle attempts at race-baiting be made?
Are they really going to try to make Barack Obama seem like a "dangerous foreigner?"
Is this really going to be the central focus of the McCain strategy from here on out?
Are they really this shameless?
Has John McCain really fallen this far?
And more to the point, is he really this desperate?
If so, I think John McCain is probably in deep trouble. Strategically speaking, this would appear to be hugely risky, and I think it is likely to fail in the current political environment, with the economy in a free-fall.
Maybe I'm just being overly-optimistic here, but I think the American people are gonna sniff it out this time. Political gamesmanship this blatantly ugly deserves to be crushed. In public.
If John McCain really wants to do something positive---for himself and the country---he must find a way to connect with the American people about the economy. If he fails to do that, he will fail to change the dynamic of the race---something he desperately needs to do.
Alright. Digging in for another frantic live-blog.
Back in a moment with more.
Please feel free to join the discussion on the comment board below.
-BL
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** Los Angeles, 3:00 PM **
***Please note: I'll be live-blogging the second presidential debate for The Huffington Post starting tonight at around 9 p.m. EST / 6 p.m. PST. Please tune in, and feel free to join the discussion on the comment board below.
So now our attention turns to Belmont University in Nashville, where Barack Obama and John McCain will face off for the second of three presidential debates. It promises to be a heated affair, as the Republicans continue their rabid shift into full-blown desperation mode. Twenty-eight days until November 4th, and the gloves are officially off. The bar has been lowered yet again, and the mud-covered daggers are flying.
Any way you slice it, the numbers of late do not look promising for the GOP. Barack Obama is leading the race by an average of eight points in the four major national tracking polls, and his numbers in key battleground states reflect a growing momentum.
Much of this uptick can be attributed to well-received debate performances by both Obama and Joe Biden, along with the widely held belief that their handling of the economic crisis has been both steadier and more competent than the opposition.
Add to that the sheer toxicity of the Republican brand and the not-ready-for-prime-time performances of Sarah Palin, and it quickly becomes clear why the scales have begun to tip in the Democrats' favor.
But really: It's the economy, stupid.
The economy continues to be the central issue in this election by an overwhelming margin---an ominous development for John McCain, and an encouraging one for Barack Obama. Fifty-four percent of voters now rank the economy first in order of priority, up from 43 percent only a few weeks ago. And by a two-to-one clip, voters attribute the current crisis to the failed policies and poor leadership of the Republicans.
A recent poll conducted by Gallup further confirms the general trend. Voters feel that the economy and energy policy are the most critical issues, and in both cases, Barack Obama holds a commanding lead. On the economy, he's up 48 percent to 32 percent. And on energy, including gas prices, he leads 47 percent to 28 percent.
Meanwhile, President Bush continues his long, slow fade into the dark pages of American history, with an approval rating of only 24 percent. Furthermore, a shocking 77 percent of the American people feel the country is currently on the wrong track. Not exactly a friendly environment for John McCain, a man who voted with Bush 95 percent of the time from his seat in the United States Senate.
So the playing field over the next four weeks now comes into stark focus. Unable to run on the issues, the McCain campaign is reverting to methods of last resort---fear-mongering smears and outright character assassination. And the Obama campaign is fighting fire with fire, going after McCain's ties to the Keating Five while attempting to direct the conversation back to the faltering economy.
All in all, it's an unsurprising development that has a way of seeming inevitable in the context of modern politics.
"There are not a lot of things we can count on these days," says Mark McKinnon, a former McCain adviser who stepped down earlier this year because, he told colleagues, he did not want to be part of a campaign to destroy Mr. Obama. "But, the sun will rise. The sun will set. And presidential campaigns will go negative."
"At the end of the day," says Democratic consultant Chris Lehane, "campaigns are campaigns. In the last five days, it always comes down to a knife fight in a telephone booth."
Not everyone, however, is convinced that this sort of miserable viciousness will be effective at stemming the tide.
"This is not a normal campaign," says Stuart Stevens, a Republican operative who worked for George W. Bush in 2004. "Normal personal or character-based attacks are not going to work particularly well. If your house is on fire, all you care about is who can put the fire out the best."
"Both campaigns have long planned for this newly negative moment," writes Peter Wallsten of the Los Angeles Times, "but with the world embroiled in an economic meltdown, the script is taking unexpected turns---and the old lines of attack could fall flat."
Nevertheless, the degeneration continues unabated.
Sarah Palin has been particularly brazen of late, rolling around in the mud of low-road politics with the effortless glee of, well, a pig in lipstick.
"Our opponent ... is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country," Palin told a group of donors in Englewood, Colorado. "This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America. We see America as a force of good in this world. We see an America of exceptionalism."
Her repeated attempts to paint Obama as a dangerous outsider who "pals around with terrorists" is flatly despicable.
Shortly after she made her remarks in Englewood, the Associated Press responded with an unusually forceful rebuke:
By claiming that Democrat Barack Obama is "palling around with terrorists" and doesn't see the U.S. like other Americans, vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin targeted key goals for a faltering campaign.
And though she may have scored a political hit each time, her attack was unsubstantiated and carried a racially tinged subtext that John McCain himself may come to regret....
Her reference to Obama's relationship with William Ayers, a member of the Vietnam-era Weather Underground, was exaggerated at best if not outright false. No evidence shows they were "pals" or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career.
Obama, who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs, has denounced Ayers' radical views and actions.
From a recent edition of the New York Times:
At a rally in Estero, Fla., for Ms. Palin, one of the introductory speakers, Mike Scott, the sheriff of Lee County, referred to the Democratic candidate as "Barack Hussein Obama."
In an interview with William Kristol on the Op-Ed page of The New York Times on Monday, Ms. Palin suggested that it would be fair for Mr. McCain to invoke Mr. Obama's relationship to his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., given the incendiary nature of Mr. Wright's views---even though Mr. McCain has condemned some previous attacks on Mr. Obama linking him to Mr. Wright.
Obama, meanwhile, has maintained his trademark cool, staying above the fray and leaving the counter-attacks to his surrogates while keeping his focus locked squarely on the economy. Earlier this week, while campaigning in Asheville, N.C., he had this to say:
"I cannot imagine anything more important to talk about than the economic crisis. And the notion that we'd want to brush that aside and engage in the usual political shenanigans and scare tactics that have come to characterize too many political campaigns, I think is not what the American people are looking for."
Okay then.
The debate is now just a few hours away, and surely it represents one of John McCain's last opportunities to change the conversation and shift the momentum his way. With only four weeks to go until Election Day, there is a dwindling amount of time to make headway.
Then again, a week equals a month in politics, and a month equals a year.
David Axelrod, Obama's senior political adviser, is not about to take anything for granted.
"Look, I'm not sitting here with my feet up," he said recently. "I think we have to fight. This is going to be a struggle every day."
Another way of saying it: It ain't over til it's over.
Back soon, shortly before the debate kicks off. Please check back for real-time updates and comment board discussion throughout the evening. Should be fun.
Many thanks,
BL
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Obama NEEDS to rises to the occasion; dismisses McCain's personal attacks as symptomatic of someone who has nothing meaningful to bring to the table, and demonstrates knowledge of fiscal, financial and economic matters in a way his hapless opponent can not do.
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McCain is extremely reactive and emotional. Likely, he picked Palin, which I believe he did in fact pick her, because of her emotionality and love of going after people, just as McCain does. McCain has traits of a military man. His father and grandfather were both military men. He has reported that he felt like he did not measure up to their standards. That is another issue for him, similar to GW Bush. This is a man who might be a good officer, who sometimes has performed okay in the Senate, but he is not a good leader. He is erratic, impulsive and highly emotionally reactive. That is not the kind of person you want to be in charge. On the other side, Senator Obama is steady, calm, thoughtful, consistent and able to consider a problem from many angles and able to plan ahead in view of potential problems. That, I would assert, is the kind of leader we need for the major problems that now face us.
What really seems clear after watching McCain for some time now, is that he is suffering from post traumatic stress disorder from his experience in Viet Nam. Victims of abuse, combat and torture will create a survivors model of the world which is one of victims and perpetrators. Wanting to not be a victim, the only other choice is to be a perpetrator. Persons with PTSD are either acting like victims, like perpetrators or swinging back and forth. Presently, McCain is not choosing the victim mode. If he loses, he may end up feeling that way. For now, he has gone on the attack. In his perpetrator mode, he imagines he is being victimized by Obama and even his wife has taken on that perception. In fact, Obama has been very pleasant towards him and has truly worked hard at focusing on the issues, rather than on McCain's personality or character. In spite of that, McCain has to have contempt for Obama. Senator Boxer has noticed this about McCain, saying he cannot have adversaries, only enemies. If you oppose him, you are his enemy and he appears to want to fight to the death.
Let me get this straight. Investment banks and insurance companies run by centimillionaires blow up, and it's the fault of Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and poor minorities?
These arguments are generally made by people who read the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, and ignore the rest of the paper"economic know-nothings whose opinions are informed mostly by ideology and, occasionally, by prejudice. Let's be honest. Fannie and Freddie, which didn't make subprime loans but did buy subprime loans made by others, were part of the problem. Poor congressional oversight was part of the problem. Banks that sought to meet CRA requirements by indiscriminately doling out loans to minorities may have been part of the problem. But none of these issues is the cause of the problem. Not by a long shot. From the beginning, subprime has been a symptom, not a cause. And the notion that the Community Reinvestment Act is somehow responsible for poor lending decisions is absurd.
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Who won the second debate between Obama and McCain?
Well let"s just put it like this...
When you send out your eager, naive understudy to be the sacrificial lamb and begin launching the dirt and slime just three days prior and you yourself are either too ashamed or cowardly to stay on message, you disqualify yourself from even being able to win the election, let alone the debate.
Oh and by the way, speaking of cowardess, are you starting to notice that Fox and Sean Hannity seem to get all the "exclusive" interviews of the team. We thought it was just Palin that was being protected but this guy doesn"t even have the stomach to face even a late night talk show host. Good to see Fox has created the press "green zone" for the Republican candidates to go and lick their wounds.
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I wasn't impressed with any of them. Brokaw kept kissy-facing McCain and telling Obama to watch his time. Obama scared me talking about nuclear energy and going into Pakistan. But McCain scared me most, looking like the Penguin from the Batman movies and blinking 100mph.
If Sarah is Winkin, and John is Blinkin, who is Nod? Would that be airhead Cindy McC, or the dittoheads who just nod at whatever Rush ez?
I think the best McCain comment was at the end when he said something to the effect of what America needs in these tough times is a steady hand at the tiller. That in itself is the #1 argument AGAINST McCain.He is not that steady hand, he is erratic, and always has been impulsive/compulsive, just like his pal George W. Bush. On the other hand, Obama has shown consistently that he is that steady hand that America needs.
Boy, do I agree. Please see my post above.
If people still think that McCain is going to fix our situation they must be smoking something. Obama's plan on war is right on in my book. His insurance makes sense, and I have been without insurance for a year now and had to battle cancer. McCains plan for health care isn't going to help everyone. Do people think THEY will really see any of that money? It will go right to the insurance companies and the insurance companies will increase rates as high as they can get.
What the heck does McCain want to do with property values??? Messing with them now, after they have already dropped 30% will only create havoc. If values go down, people will loose equity and if they go up, people wont be able to afford them. Of course, when values go up, prices go up. We are having too much of a hard time getting a new mortgage as it is! Very bad idea.
I was for Obama when I first heard he was running. After hearing what McCain had to say, I hope Obama's win will be by a large margin.
Anyway... did McCain looked stuffed in that suit, or what??? Did his arms shrink? They look too small for his body.
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In McCain's defense, I think his arms look short due to injuries suffered in Vietnam.
I will agree with you on health care though. McCain's plan isn't going to really help the people who need it the most. But it will help the few who stand to profit from a Republican plan.
WTF was "that one?"
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A mistake.
McCain came off as desperate, swinging wildly. Obama came off as purely presidential.
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McCain came off as...uncomfortable. That's the best I can say it right now.
And word is that he and Cindy bolted out of the venue just minutes after the debate, while Barack and Michelle stood behind and shook hands with attendees. Fishy.
I watched it - wow, not cool - those people were so happy to have these folks to talk to. Would it have killed McCain and his wife to hang a little while longer?
That was pretty dull.....................
Beyond ....
Almost put me to sleep : o
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Especially compared to the hype. All this talk about "knockout blows."
Anything short of actual fisticuffs is a letdown.
If McCain was that condescending to Joe Six Pack, or referred to a non-presidential candidate as "That One," he would likely be met with actual fisticuffs.
Game over for Grumpy Smurf. At least he has a government pension and government healthcare in his old age.
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No kidding.
Did you see the ending? On the CNN.com live feed at the end when the wives came out Cindy McCain just followed her hubby with her hands behind her back while MIchelle Obama reached out and greeted the people. The McCains left after about 2 minutes (If even that) of greeting the people and the Obama's just kept on greeting and talking to the people. When the feed stopped they were still greeting the people.
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I love it when people greet people.
"it's nice to be nice to the nice" Frank Burns, 4077th Mash
McCain kept repeating that American needs someone with a steady hand -
say whaaaattt??? McCain has shown us everything but ! ......so I guess he's saying A needs Obama -
I agree !
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Heh. Good point.
Maybe he should suspend his campaign again in an effort to steady himself. Some zen time at the ranch in Sedona might be in order. I'm sure Cindy has a professional shaman on staff.
Obama wins!! And it will happen on Nov 4 too, you mark my exams!! :-))
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I mark your exams?
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