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Brendan DeMelle

Brendan DeMelle

Posted: May 20, 2010 04:18 PM

BREAKING: Federal Flow Rate Technical Team Established To Determine Extent of BP Oil Spill

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Admiral Thad Allen, the National Incident Commander for the Deepwater Horizon Response team, has today established the Flow Rate Technical Team, a multi-agency federal effort to determine oil flow rates from the BP spill at multiple time periods following the explosion, fire, and subsequent loss of the Deepwater Horizon oil rig.

Led by the U.S. Coast Guard, Minerals Management Service (MMS) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), along with technical representatives from the Department of Energy (DOE) and U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the team will work on a multi-agency level in order to compute the total outflow of the BP oil spill, a critical question that still has not been answered by BP.

Lieutenant Commander J.R. Hoeft, the Online Communications Coordinator at the Deepwater Horizon Response Joint Information Center, who provided EnergyBoom.com with the news about the launch of the Flow Rate Technical Team, told me that:

“The team will work to obtain data that is available on the reservoir, wellbore, blowout preventer, subsea flowing pressures, leak points, discharge plumes and surface discharge observations. With this information, the team will identify and run state-of-the-art models to calculate flow rates and compare results.”


BP announced today that it is now capturing an estimated 5,000 barrels a day of crude oil and 15 million cubic feet of natural gas from one of the leaking pipes at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico, the first time the company has publicly admitted that its earlier estimate that only 5,000 barrels of oil were gushing into the Gulf each day were woefully inaccurate. BP is capturing only a portion of the oil from only one of two leaks on the sea floor, adding further evidence that the company’s daily outflow estimate is far too low.

Several scientists who testified in front of Congress yesterday said the total outflow could be more than 100,000 barrels a day, far above BP’s estimate.

 

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Admiral Thad Allen, the National Incident Commander for the Deepwater Horizon Response team, has today established the Flow Rate Technical Team, a multi-agency federal effort to determine oil flow rat...
Admiral Thad Allen, the National Incident Commander for the Deepwater Horizon Response team, has today established the Flow Rate Technical Team, a multi-agency federal effort to determine oil flow rat...
 
 
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11:30 PM on 05/23/2010
This is a good step, but a flawed one.

Coast Guard has been following BP's lead, and helping BP promulgate THEIR "rules" about what media can cove, MMS has been in bed with BP, and NOAA has consistently ultra-low-balled the estimate to the point you wonder if they measured anything, or simply published the numbers BP gave them.

There is NO independence here. If the entire Obama Administration has been bought off by BP, can we really expect this effort to yield the truth?!!?

Even if the Obama Administration just doesn't wanting to take the blame for being slow, not realizing how awful this is, and foolishly, or worse, following BPs lead, in that case do you expect a more honest number?

How about a group of OUTSIDE experts -- Woods Hole, major universities, any international group with ocean and oil spill expertise.

Get the Navy to do the work: they do the measurements the scientist want done.

Seriously, Coast Guard, MMS, and NOAA have ALREADY screwed this up pretty well, so what do we do, we put them in charge of cleaning up the mess!

A recurring pattern in the Obama Administration: corporations screw up X. So, rather than punish them -- Lord forbid we do THAT! -- we put them in charge of cleaning it up!! So they can screw up a second time, and make yet more money doing so.

Way to go, Kenny! Way to go Obama!!
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
08:31 AM on 05/24/2010
What should have been fairly straightforward estimation is now forensic science. Thanks BP, thanks lack of effective Government Oversight.
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Aja Mazin
08:28 PM on 05/22/2010
my neighbor's 14 year child presented me with the following:

"It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to marine life and

wildlife."
(4 quarts of oil = 1 gallon, so 1 gallon of this oil makes toxic 1,000,000 gallons of ocean water )

"the volume of water of the Gulf of Mexico Basin is roughly estimated to be 2,434,000 cubic km of water or

643,000,000,000,000 gallons of water".

therefore, 643,000,000 gallons of motor oil is required to kill all marine life in the Gulf of Mexico Basin.

as of may 22, 2010, PBS tracker estimates approximately 34,500,000
gallons of CRUDE released to date .

my fourteen year old friend, Robb, calculates that if oil continues to be released at the present estimated rate,

the Gulf of Mexico Basin will be a DEAD ZONE in 18 days.

Robb , with his limited knowledge and education, has failed to consider many , many factors in his simplistic

"reasoning, but he gave me pause to think.
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11:36 PM on 05/23/2010
I did a similar calculation, a bit more refined based on ppm toxicity of oil. Not to mention doing the same for Corexit, since that is roughly 5 times as toxic as oil.

Came up with on the order of a couple of hundred days, considering just oil.

A very rough calculation, admittedly.

Plus, do need to figure in toxicity of dispersants too.

Point being: YOU END UP WITH A MASSIVE KILL OFF OF THE ENTIRE GULF IN AT BEST A COUPLE OF 100 OF DAYS, MAYBE LESS!

We are currently in, what, day 32?

Earth to the Obama Administration: WAKE UP! It is like the house is on fire, and you don't seem to have the urgency to put it out!!

We can do the arson investigation later, right now, GET THE DAMNED LEAK STOPPED!!!!!
04:05 AM on 05/24/2010
And yet:

In the Gulf of Mexico, an equivalent of 2 Exxon Valdez's worth of oil is leaked through the NATURAL PROCESS every year. Pumping oil out decreases the pressure and thus the natural oil leak rate into the oceans (this has been observed off the California coast). NASA observed this fact in 2000:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/view.php?id=20863

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/01/000127082228.htm
ScienceDaily (Jan. 27, 2000) — Twice an Exxon Valdez spill worth of oil seeps into the Gulf of Mexico every year, according to a new study that will be presented January 27 at the Ocean Sciences Meeting in San Antonio, Texas.

How come Greenpeace did not protest against Evil Nature for this crime? How long has wicked Mother Nature been leaking demon OIL into the Gulf of Mexico? 100 years? 1000 years?

2009 oil slicks (natural cause)
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=36873

As much as the oil blowout is tragic, it seems most of the HuffPost audience (at least all the liberals/progressives/environuts) is all wee-wee'd up.

Calm down. I will change your diapers (after donning the gas mask), wipe the snot off your noses, and give you your medication. There. There.
05:06 PM on 05/22/2010
BP couldn't resist the opportunity to demonstrate once again what every observer of corporate culture knows for fact: corporations not only have no conscience; corporations are aggressively as unconscionable as their bosses believe they can get away with. Just like Enron, Chevron in the Valdez disaster (where the bipartisan courts relieved Chevron of any need to be responsible to anyone for anything), and on it goes.

The question remains larger now than before: why is the US bipartisan Congress (both houses) so predictably responsible only to irresponsible corporations?

One possible answer: the leaders believe no one else pays attention (and here they are still largely correct).
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glitz
Campari with a twist...
09:39 PM on 05/21/2010
Why is it important to find out exactly how much is leaking? What difference does it make after a few 100, 000 gallons? It is not like someone or something is ever going to collect it all or even locate it. We already know it is more than enough to destroy just about everything in its wake for a very long time. What a rediculous waist of time and money...just focus on stopping it and cleaning it up.
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MegWe
04:37 PM on 05/22/2010
there must be hard data to confirm the flow rate to hold BP fully acountable. This is not a waste of time at all.
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rbenjamin
Rule 5 rules
08:25 AM on 05/24/2010
One reason is basic book keeping. The oil is getting dispersed not just spatially around the Gulf, but into different environmental compartments; water, sediment, air, etc. and living things. Oil is chemically complex, will change over time, and the many fractions will partition at different rates into the web of compartments. To really understand what is going on, and decide what to about it, scientists, engineers and managers need to measure the chemistry within each compartment and make math models to explain what they see. This is an incredibly complicated task, and benchmarks are needed in order to determine if it's being done correctly. The Conservation of Matter Principle says the books must balance, if your measurements and models can account for all the oil that has spilled from the well, then your understanding of the spill is at least sound in terms of basic physics. If not, look and think harder. Not actively taking measurements of leak rates for a month probably helps PB's legal problem, but makes remediation that much harder.
08:13 PM on 05/21/2010
Far too little, far too late.
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mountainweb
Conservative Commonsense
07:19 PM on 05/21/2010
Sadly it does not take a NASA space tech to calculate flow rates, BP has the information, they be forced to provide it OR the CEO goes to jail. Time for obama and his administration to stop bowing down to BP.
05:07 PM on 05/22/2010
Good luck getting Obama to stop worshipping corporate powers. Why did he give the Treasury Department to Goldman, Sachs?
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06:39 PM on 05/21/2010
the US government should move immediately to seize the American assets of BP, liquidate them, use the money for clean up, for a reserve fund for future disasters, and to esablish an "insurance program" for which oil companies would pay billions a year for coverage. It should also tax the obscene profits of oil companies, who regularly cut corners on safety standards and environmental impact to inflate profits and related executive compensation. Let the companies and INDIVIDUALS who have made fortunes not only PAY the cost of clean-up, but the cost of creating insurance against cotastrophe in the future. No more of the Bush-Clinton quid pro quo support for greedy EXPLOITATIVE corporations. enough
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MegWe
04:38 PM on 05/22/2010
how can the US government seize the assets of a foreign oowned corporation? explain that.
05:05 PM on 05/22/2010
This can be done but only on all U.S. BP assets. Those could be frozen and eventually used if BP does not pay the bill. This has been done before, this would not be the first time. They maybe foreign owned but all assets in the U.S. can be frozen (lien). They need to do this ASAP, then you would see BP get in high gear!!!!
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07:00 PM on 05/22/2010
http://www.seizebp.org/
02:15 PM on 05/21/2010
I find it interesting that the NGOs want hands off policies in place when making profits but intervention when it blows up in their /our faces. So who needs to carry the burden of responsibility? If it is as a lot of you say the Government then elect people who quit sabotaging us by placing "moles" in various departments to keep the "flow" going. Talk to Mr. Earl Devaney he can give you an earful of "ethical lapses" since 2006 and other before him. I've heard people say "collateral damage" it's worth it for the the big bucks that lay still ahead. In other words the short term out weigh the long term polices in place already. President Obama is doing what he can with "moles" in place blocking him at every point.
myaa
Justice - the only way to peace!
02:07 PM on 05/21/2010
A little bit too little and way too late in my opinion. It is time we call in the Army Corp of Engineers and mandate BP to work with them in order to cap this leak immediately. And of-course force BP to foot the bill of the entire expense (of capping and clean up).
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glitz
Campari with a twist...
09:48 PM on 05/21/2010
What can the Army Corp of Engineers accomplish that the supposed experts in oil drilling cannot. It is a great group, but they do not drill for oil and never have, nor will they. No-one seems to comprehend just how deep this is..this is a first time, for a leak at this depth. The biggest question should be...why wasn't all solutions to any possible disaster anticipated before drilling? Surely leaks are always a possibility for any drilling..to have no plan for closure cannot be excused...no matter who the Company is.
myaa
Justice - the only way to peace!
04:08 PM on 05/22/2010
They can at least work on simple solutions to SHUT DOWN the well instead of BP's engineers who are working to capture as much oil as possible before the public outcry forces them to cap it.
The problems that they are having with the depth is because they are trying solutions that will enable them to keep on making profit out of this well. Any mechanical or civil engineer can make that out. There are solutions (like a controlled explosion to shut of the opening of the well) that BP will never consider as it will immediately stop all revenue from this well and they will still have to pay for the clean up.

"Why wasn't all solutions to any possible disaster anticipated before drilling" - simply because it is expensive! We have some of the loosest regulations on the oil companies in the developed world and they practically have run our government for the past 8 years (maybe earlier than that). Of-course they will spend all their efforts and resources in planning ways to siphon off as much profits as possible rather than spending some on safeguards emergency response drills!
12:57 PM on 05/21/2010
This is exactly what you get when the society is infested with lawyers willing to make a quick buck. Truth shall NOT set you free in the USA, no no. It will cost you dearly EVEN if you followed all the rules but then cannot afford the lawyer fees.
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StJames
In absentia luci tenebrae vincunt
09:13 AM on 05/21/2010
My father always believed in giving a liar enough rope to hang themselves. :-) I suspect that's the case with BP. Anyone who thinks the WH doesn't KNOW this is worse than BP has been letting on is wishful thinking...hoping this will be Obama's Katrina....

The WH has access to the same information the rest of us have...they have seen the estimates from scientists. Now an official commission will determine just how bad the flow had been and BP Lawyers will not be able to claim that his was a hastily put together team that didn't know what it was doing.
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
09:29 AM on 05/21/2010
There is a big difference between giving someone enough rope and fiddling while Rome burns.
08:17 PM on 05/21/2010
Pres Obama isn't a musician. He plays basketball.
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MegWe
04:59 PM on 05/22/2010
There is no way for the government to stop this without the help of the oil industry.
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
09:41 AM on 05/21/2010
Aren't we past the point of giving them plenty of rope? Obama has completely dropped the ball on this one and it doesn't look like he's trying to get back in the game.
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StJames
In absentia luci tenebrae vincunt
10:00 AM on 05/21/2010
Hello KIV...How goes it?

Perhaps he has...but I don't know what he could have done much differently. I would have given BP two weeks to get it cleaned up or else...the threat would have been sending out the coast Guard to shut down the other BP wells. However, I am not responsible for the country as a whole, nor the economy and in my "perfect" solution congress could go f- - - themselves if they didn't like it. We always act and think that the Pres is a law or force unto himself...He's not.

On the other side of the argument, Obama is lacking in the "leadership" department...no doubt about it. He could have rallied the people, big time...but would that really have solved anything? The technology just isn't there, which clearly demonstrates how poorly this country has been run for the past 30 years at least. Why in the hell were we drilling when we didn't have the technology to clean up spills at this depth?

I know you saw my post about the the submarines we don't have....Smart bombs and drones we have plenty of, what we need we don't have. I detest the MIC and the people who support it.
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StJames
In absentia luci tenebrae vincunt
10:04 AM on 05/21/2010
I live in Palm Beach County, Florida. Here the Gulf Stream is closest to the shore, 1 to 2 miles offshore. I have been sick about this since it first started. Tourism is FL's # 1 industry. Construction was # 2. The state is in for some really tough times.
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Lefty08
but I bat the right
08:56 AM on 05/21/2010
Wow....this oil volcano gushing for a month...and they're just now getting around to figuring out the extent of the spew? Glad someone is on top of this.
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Dr Juan
We built America without BO
06:19 AM on 05/21/2010
When you have a huge environmental disaster shaping up you can't keep bantering around phony underestimates just to save face. The world is watching and catching the lie. It is critical to know how much contamination is pouring into the gulf! Jobs, livelyhood, health and reaction planning all depend on accurate information here. Yet I heard 5,000 bpd again being defended as a valid estimate. BP is an insult. Pull their plug and keep that puppet twit CEO off the TV.

I want a corrective statement and appology from the Queen!
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brooklyncitizen
Soror quaerens lucem
06:19 AM on 05/21/2010
gee...what a swift response...it's only been a month?
05:39 AM on 05/21/2010
Why wasn't this team assembled immediately instead of blindly following the 'trusted' word of a multi national corporation?