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No Evidence Obama Deficit Speech Backfired

Posted: 04/19/11 02:14 PM ET

Yesterday, John Sides and I published an article cautioning journalists against overstating the importance of political events on public opinion (they rarely have a significant effect). Today -- as if on cue -- NBC's First Read newsletter did just that, suggesting that President Obama's approval ratings are down as a result of his deficit speech last week:

Did last week’s speech backfire? A new Washington Post/ABC poll -- which shows President Obama’s approval down to 47%, and with 44% believing the U.S. economy is getting worse (when employment is actually on the rise) -- suggests that the climbing gas prices have soured the public’s mood, big time... [T]his poll, as well as the Gallup surveys, also seems to confirm that the president’s speech last week might not have played well. For one thing, and this is true going back to the ’08 campaign, Obama usually doesn’t get rewarded when he comes off as too partisan (even though the left loves it). More importantly, last week’s speech was on a topic -- the deficit/debt -- that most Americans don’t find as important as the economy/jobs. And in the Post/ABC poll, Obama took a hit with independents, with 55% of them disapproving of his job. 


The weasel-worded claim that the Post poll "seems to confirm that the president’s speech last week might not have played well" gives the game away. In reality, the Post estimated that Obama's approval ratings are down four points from its last poll a month ago. Anything that happened during that period could be the cause of the decline. First Read also references a downward blip in Gallup's approval estimate for Obama, but fails to clarify that Gallup's polling, which is much more frequent than the Post's, flatly contradicts their thesis. Obama made his speech on April 13. Gallup's three-day average approval ratings for Obama were 44% for April 10-12 and 44% for April 14-16. Rasmussen polls show no significant before/after change either. So what's the evidence the speech didn't play well again?

Update 4/19 4:16 PM: Greg Marx notes in a comment on my blog that "Chuck Todd and the NBC crew are repeat offenders here; they pulled the same thing with the oil spill."

Cross-posted to brendan-nyhan.com.

 

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Yesterday, John Sides and I published an article cautioning journalists against overstating the importance of political events on public opinion (they rarely have a significant effect). Today -- as if...
Yesterday, John Sides and I published an article cautioning journalists against overstating the importance of political events on public opinion (they rarely have a significant effect). Today -- as if...
 
 
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11:52 AM on 04/27/2011
I hear one poll has Trump 55% Obama 40%
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uvymopka
The voice of truth, in a sea of Loons
05:00 PM on 04/26/2011
President Obama's deficit speech was a brick. It lacked vision.
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11:41 AM on 04/27/2011
EXCUSE me, I was under the impression you're a supporter of Obama.
08:19 PM on 05/08/2011
Even a supporter of Obama can see a brick when he lays one.

I know most of you think you must follow him no matter how rediculous it gets (how many more unjustified wars will you follow him into?).

In any case good oratory (and he has that) can only get you so far when there is no substance or the core of the policy is so vehamently flawed. People are begining to see this. Thank goodness 2012 is coming up soon! Can't be soon enough!
11:40 AM on 04/25/2011
Americans are hungry ...for true leader ship . both Dem and Repub do nothing for america they only weary about there pocket books ... tax payers cant afford them , how much BS is America suppose to endure . we pay to much for everything , Gas, food , tax ... and nothing is put back in the tax payers pockets ... and the rebu come up with the bs that poor people are getting its just bs .. so they can rob . some more ; shame .shame own our country's leaders for letting this happen ... poor people dont have anything else to give .. think about waht you are doing to this country..
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11:04 AM on 04/25/2011
For fun lets do a poll, it's back to the future 2008 and we have two candidates running for president CANDIDATE #1 OBAMA and CANDIDATE #2 G. BUSH 11. In future posts vote #1 for Obama or #2 for Bush.
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uvymopka
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05:01 PM on 04/26/2011
Did you forget that Bush did not run in 2008?
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06:53 AM on 04/27/2011
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04:42 AM on 04/23/2011
I like President Obama, voted for him once, probably will again. But some times he comes across like Tuvok from Star Trek Voyager, and Tuvok comes across like an African American version of Al Gore. Problem with the President is he's too darn smart for his own good. He needs to dumb it down a little and splan is so simple a six year old can understand.

As Emperor Joseph II said to Amadeus: "My dear young man, don't take it too hard. Your work is ingenious. It's quality work. ...there are simply too many notes, that's all. Just cut a few and it will be perfect."
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09:15 AM on 04/25/2011
I disagree about the DUMB it down part, he's there already, much to my chagrin. Obama by no stretch of the imagination is the smartest malfeasant on earth. He has far out reached his ability of a community organizer lacking every aspect of sigma 6 managerial skills. He's a divider, divisive, clueless, the list could go on and on but leadership is definitely out of reach for this president , worse , he can't visualize what the future of America should like like and if he did, wouldn't know how to fix it.
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09:20 AM on 04/25/2011
Go Obama
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09:45 AM on 04/25/2011
I like to lie a lot
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10:53 AM on 04/25/2011
I went to say "GO"
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Steve David
12:29 PM on 04/21/2011
Well keep looking, you will eventually find it.
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SpinDizzy
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12:05 PM on 04/21/2011
The speech may or may nor have contributed to Obama's dip in the polls, but one thing can be said for sure: It didn't HELP him in the polls. That being said, we're still pretty far from the finish line, and all this agonizing over polls is just onanism by a media that long ago ceased to have anything pertinent to say.
11:47 AM on 04/20/2011
So basically, instead of having a specific reason to dislike Obama, you just think that he is generally a "starts with 'd' and rhymes with sploosh".
12:01 AM on 04/20/2011
Obamas energy speech began, oil was $104 a barrel. Thirty-minutes later Obama finished his speech on energy, oil was at $108 a barrel.

Nice plan.
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07:58 AM on 04/20/2011
The price of oil is being driven up by Wall Street speculators. Blame them.
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iisguy
12:08 PM on 04/21/2011
And the cookies I was baking burned too. Thanks Obama.
11:11 PM on 04/19/2011
I think most everyday Americans are more concerned about oil prices and employment than they are about the deficit or a budget plan, I think very few actually pay close attention to details they are feeling the affects of rising food and oil price and I think as prices continue to stay the way they are people will remain unsatisfied.
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babina
12:00 AM on 04/20/2011
Um, I'm 51 and his speech was a great relief since the republican plan would kill me or bankrupt me, literally while cutting taxes an additional 10% for the wealthiest Americans.

Gas prices increase = Decrease in approval rating for President Whomever
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PopsinAZ
Questioning partisan politics.
02:05 PM on 04/20/2011
A "great relief?" Obama could sell ice cubes to Eskimos. babina. His speeches are ALL filled with nice sounding generalizations and ideological promises which mean NOTHING.
The Federal Government is irresponsibly and wastefully spending money which it does not have. Your "great relief" leader is telling us that unless we raise the debt ceiling from 14 Trillion to 15 Trillion we will not be able to fund the remainder of govt spending for 2011 (MORE than 2010, but NO BUDGET was submitted because Dems were afraid they might lose 2010 congressional seats)!
YOU are 'greatfully relieved' because Obama gives great speeches or because he can justify OUTSPENDING the GOP?
I guess you can rest easy now, babina. Obama is not going to let the Republicans "kill you or bankrupt you." Obama and the Democrats will do that!! LMAO
06:14 PM on 04/19/2011
Within the margin of error you could take it either way. Depending on your political views or your personal love for Obama you could read it anyway you want to read those polls.
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06:05 PM on 04/19/2011
PAST HISTORY PROVES OUR GOVERNMENT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THEIR DOING, 99% OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS WORKING IN WASHINGTON D.C. COULD NOT POUR PISS OUT OF A BOOT WITH THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE HEEL!
THERE IS ONE THING ABOUT OUR GOVERNMENT WHEN THEY DO SOMETHING WRONG THEY WELL CONSTANTLY DO IT WRONG. OUR GOVERNMENT IS TRYING DO DESTROY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
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05:52 PM on 04/19/2011
That speech held more truth in it than anything I have heard coming from any politician in recent memory. The President speaking truth to power; I had given up on Obama until that speech.

Still, that his poll numbers are at best stagnant, suggests that a majority of Americans are drifting toward a message that government is evil, but corporations and the sky gods who control them are inherently good. That the middle class is shrinking, is causing an irrational belief that the GOP, because of its obsession with the Market, is the party that will save the American Empire, even as their corporate darlings are the primary cause of such depredations, against the middle class in favor of sky gods.

Selfishness in America.

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William50
05:45 PM on 04/19/2011
It is not about great speeches or how positive he looks it is about America. The O'man's position for two years has not changed the real America you live in. He can't and the Democrats will not fix this nation.
The are called the developing world, the fast track Asian economies and even South American Economies, they are building, expanding, their governments are working to make more jobs and create more wealth. Here we talk about, as is Europe and GB the debt ceilings and how to cut cut cut. But you will notice the wealth of these nations comes from America. Out of your pocket book and into communist countries bank rolls and American investors.
One party suggest we change. Yes the O'man did say this, but one party, the American Party suggest two major changes. First is a cut in the military budget and yes the wars by 25%. Half of that would go into employment benefits, you work four days a week for the money doing what is needed in your town or city, no work no money. Second a billion a year to each state for business creation. (not threw the banks or big business concerns) A Ten teams, a leader and four experts to help people start businesses, start ups and in need. They would supply the expertise to make the business happen!.
One party, The American Party knows when threatened by losing power Democrats and Republicans will again be bullish on America!
11:36 PM on 04/19/2011
I understand where you are coming from but also remember these emerging markets are starting off with very low initial growth rates, they have more room to build on capital (human and investment), labor, and research so when their government and economy expands they will have higher growth rates than the US..ie India and China. Here it is like we literally hit a wall....technology is the key as in labor and capital is like blahh for us {people can move around freely to find a job and labor costs is so high here than in the developing world, and plenty of foreign companies invest here}, but technology is what helped lift the American economy after World War II. If we can find ways to expand in that sector whether through green energy, medicine, or etc, it is a way to increase our growth rate and potentially expand our economy.
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samtee
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05:33 PM on 04/19/2011
Only the hundreds of reporters that said it was the worst, most partisan speach they ever heard by a President.
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babina
12:01 AM on 04/20/2011
Name them please. All hundreds.