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Obama Advisers Looking for Wrong Lessons

Posted: 07/21/11 05:01 PM ET

According to New York Times columnist David Leonhardt, President Obama's advisers are seeking inspiration from the campaigns of presidents who were re-elected despite increased unemployment:

Mr. Obama's advisers, meanwhile, are looking for lessons from re-election bids that overcame a first-term rise in unemployment, like those of George W. Bush, Richard Nixon and Dwight Eisenhower, Republicans all. That's a turnabout from the Obama team's initial plan to base its re-election campaign on the economy's progress since 2008.

The problem for Obama is that the first terms of the three presidents in question (Bush 43, Nixon, and Eisenhower) produced reasonable income growth, which is a better predictor of presidential election outcomes than unemployment. Consider this modified plot from Douglas Hibbs, whose Bread and Peace model employs a weighted measure of real disposable personal income growth -- the presidents in question are highlighted in green:

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Eisenhower, Nixon, and Bush 43 all presided over at least moderate income growth during their first four years in office; Obama so far has not. (The same applies for GDP growth, another frequently used variable in forecasting models.) Unless the state of the economy improves, it's not likely to matter who he models his 2012 campaign after.

[Cross-posted to brendan-nyhan.com]

 

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According to New York Times columnist David Leonhardt, President Obama's advisers are seeking inspiration from the campaigns of presidents who were re-elected despite increased unemployment: Mr. Obam...
According to New York Times columnist David Leonhardt, President Obama's advisers are seeking inspiration from the campaigns of presidents who were re-elected despite increased unemployment: Mr. Obam...
 
 
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11:52 PM on 07/28/2011
5 Reasons BO will be reelected:

1. Since WWII, no 1st-term president whose party's suffered a midterm rout has been defeated for reelection, with the narrow & unique exception of Gerald Ford. That's because the opposition party often over-reaches.

2. Since WWII, no president who runs for re-election without a significant primary challenge is defeated in the general election. And no Democrat is stupid enough to hand the WH to a Republican by challenging BO.

3. Since WWII, the most charismatic candidate has won without exception. And BO is very telegenic, whereas no GOP candidate is anywhere near that.

4. The demographic make-up of America is changing—with groups more inclined to support Democrat ideas increasing as a % of both the total population and the VOITNG electorate. People born after 1980, minorities, single women, not-deeply-religious folk are all gaining while the "WASP"'s are declining. The "Tea Party" folk are so outspoken precisely because they see themselves losing clout in a USA less & less like them every day. Remember how GWB in 2004 was the most NARROWLY re-elected prez since Woodrow Wilson, even though he had everything going for him? If John Kerry had only taken Ohio! Demography is destiny.
5. People blame the policies of GWB and the (big) business community, not BO, for the recession, and realize that the economy will take many years to heal no matter who's in the WH. So people aren't expecting much from BO in the first place.
03:52 PM on 07/22/2011
I tend to ignore analyses like this that make certain "magic numbers" determinant.

There is one commonality to the incumbents that have lost their re-election bids since the 20th century began - a primary challenge. No president has ever lost without facing a primary challenge, with the exception of Herbert Hoover.

Ford - Reagan
Carter - Kennedy
Bush the elder - Buchanan

Unless Obama receives a serious primary challenge he will remain the favorite for re-election as far as I'm concerned.
03:01 PM on 07/22/2011
As I said in another comment ealier, I strugggle with my on and off again relationship with our first black president. I am protective of him and realize that he has been given a difficult task, but he has not performed well in any case.

I suppose my real disappointment is that he is not a fighter or an effective leader. His natural mode is to compromise and to seek concensus and in doing so, with a phalenx of rabbid tea party confederates storming the gates, he just seems weak. Compromise is like marriage, both parties have to want it. Clearly the tea party wants a divorce- so give it to them!

Now is the time for Obama to draw on his core principles- beliefs that he holds near and dear to his heart that give him direction and anchor him at his foundation to policies that he believes in. The debt ceiling is a gut check for him and instead of digging deep, he is pleading , "but I am willing to give them the store, my home, and my children, but they cannot have my wife.

How about if he does not give them anything. How about if he just pulls out a copy of the 14th Amendment, rolls it up like he would a newspaper and smacks Mitch Mconnel with it on national TV...and then raises the debt ceiling on his own.
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12:17 PM on 07/22/2011
Obama's one big advantage is that his opponent will be a Republican.
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10:26 AM on 07/22/2011
All Obama needs to get reelected is to allow republicans to continue acting the fool.
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GunnyJ
I do my best every time.
10:02 AM on 07/22/2011
And the point you are making is?
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aligatorhardt
I DO NOT pity the fool
08:10 AM on 07/22/2011
Leonhardt must be placing more emphasis on his own imagination. These pointles comparisons ignore the state of the economy that existed at the time of Obama's election, where Republican mismanagement had produced the greatest loss of jobs in history since the great depression. Where tax cuts to the rich, the creation of two occupations of foreign countries, giveaways to wealthy corporations and fraud on an unparalleled scale, created the biggest deficit in history.  Then if that was not enough, the bailouts of 2007 added trillions more to the debt. These bailouts were written into law to ensure the next president( Obama ) would have to continue them.  Now Obama is expect to fix the worse economy in half a term? The Republican Vice Presidential candidate  could not even serve more than half a term even while accomplishing nothing. Bush lost more jobs than any other.  http://blo ­gs.wsj.com ­/economics ­/2009/01/0 ­9/bush-on- ­jobs-the-w ­orst-track ­-record-on ­-record/
      Instead of listening to the delusions of those who created the mess, let's see what Obama has done , even with the most obstruction by a hostile and unpatriotic opposition party.   Obama Administration’s Achievements (Thus Far) » Obama's Achievements Center
      While Republicans accuse Obama of having a green energy agenda, what has that accomplished? Green Jobs Are Real: German and American Solar Industry Both Employ More People Than U.S. Steel Production | Renewable Energy News Article
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01:26 AM on 07/22/2011
Eisenhower, Nixon, and Bush 43 weren't dealing with the worst recession since the Great Depression, now were they?
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Mistinguette Grandison
No. Corporations are NOT people
07:27 AM on 07/22/2011
True, but he was also dealing with some decisions he made though (by agreeing to massive government spending and almost agreeing to cut social security.
11:35 PM on 07/21/2011
I struggle with my own on and off relationship with our first black president. I do not like the job he has done, but I find myself extremely protective of him, like he's my little brother (play on words not intended). I can say bad things about, but I become angry when other do.

The truth is that he is incredibly smart and crafty but that he is a terrible leader. He just does not have the leadership gene, and I hate to say it, but it's true. He would say, for example, that he has not come up with his own budget because the republicans were stupid enough to wade into treacherous waters first with the Ryan Budget and we see how that turned out.

I would say a leader leads. He sets the agenda and the direction of the country. This budget debate is a perfect example. The republicans have framed the entire debate with not-so-clever but very effective talking points- "we do not have a revenue problem...we have a spending problem". The super wealthy are called "job creators" and the most powerful man in the debate is not BO, it's Grover Norquest.

And now BO advisors are looking for "wrong lessons" Here's a lesson, good leaders get re-elected and bad ones dont. I am convince that BO is brilliant and should probably be president of Harvard; I am not convinced he is a leader and should be president of the United States.
01:21 AM on 07/22/2011
Did Bush lead? For a short period after 9/11 I guess. Then his leadership became divisiveness. Did Clinton lead? Did Bush the elder lead?

I'm not really sure what kind of "leadership" you're looking for. We haven't really had a president who could shepherd legislation through congress effectively since LBJ. Actually Obama's record on passing legislation is probably the best since LBJ. He came up through legislative ranks and seems somewhat better at that end of it then our last several past presidents.

I suppose he doesn't have the rhetorical flourish people thought he'd lead with. The kind that could inspire America again. He showed flashes of it in September '09 with his health care speech and again in January '11 at the Tuscon memorial, but that's about it.

I have to say... he's facing the most unified opposition since the days of the "solid south." In our current political context, I'm not sure any democrat can lead effectively. A republican president has more upside potential in the sense that there are more prospects for crossover support. Democrats are reduced to prostrating themselves for the votes of 1 Maine senator.
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Mistinguette Grandison
No. Corporations are NOT people
07:29 AM on 07/22/2011
It's the political framework too. They used during the campaign that issue.
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Malcolm Hensley
Last of the Reagan Republicans
12:23 PM on 07/25/2011
Look for better or worse President Reagan lead he accomplished a lot with a Democratic controlled congress.

Also my other favorite president lead, LBJ, I hope he realizes the positive effect he had on this country. Though he had a Democratic controlled congress much of them were bitterly opposed to President Johnson and President Johnson convinced Senator Everett Dirksen a Republican to help him get his legislation through.
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07:16 AM on 07/22/2011
"The truth is that he is incredibly smart and crafty but that he is a terrible leader. He just does not have the leadership gene, and I hate to say it, but it's true."

Like Aaron, I wonder what exactly you want him to do. Seems to me you are caught up in some kind of fantasy about what a leader should be doing. I'm amazed at what he has been able to accomplish given the incredibly difficult political environment he has to operate in. Among his critics, none seem to have an answer as to exactly how he could get more done.
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Mistinguette Grandison
No. Corporations are NOT people
07:45 AM on 07/22/2011
There is no fantasy. He doesn't make his case. He went along with the conventional wisdom and went along with massive spending cuts that are damaging the economic recovery (there WAS one, it was just slow) and costing jobs. He should have said no to them from the start. He compromises w/o getting anything significant in return. He keeps trying to please the Republicans and right wingers who will never like him nor vote for him no matter what (I'm not talking about the Republicans who voted for Obama in 2008) and then when progressives who voted for him and would willingly vote for him again if he would fight for the people of the US like FDR would, he demonizes us as the "professional left". I know Obama marketed himself as a centrist and I expected that, what I do not understand is him getting as close as he can to agreeing to the Republicans when he knows what they are doing is not having their own opinion but their own facts.
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Bart DePalma
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10:54 PM on 07/21/2011
Its a little bit late now. Obama is firmly committed to the policies which are crippling the economy. The only thing left is a half billion (he is nowhere close to the pace necessary to raise a billion) in negative ads and oppo research published by the Dem media.
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Mistinguette Grandison
No. Corporations are NOT people
07:40 AM on 07/22/2011
It's not his policies. Spending is necessary in a recession. The stimulus was not big enough considering the severity of the job losses in the recession/financial crisis. What the problem is is going along with the GOP BS about it. PS There is no dem media anymore than repub media.
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aligatorhardt
I DO NOT pity the fool
08:18 AM on 07/22/2011
Fox and AOL push the Republican platform constantly. Any outlets with a balanced position is accused of being "left wing".
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01:21 PM on 07/22/2011
The Obama Keynisian policy was to throw a bunch of cash into the machine to get it going with tehope of earning increased income in the future. It did nto work. Never has. Never will.
What happens when all the government income is used to pay for debt service? What happens when gov cannot pay for Medicare and other services? The investment was made and is not making a return. We have to pay the bill on what we already owe.
09:42 PM on 07/21/2011
If running against Bush in 2012 is off the table, what is BO suppose to do? Run on his record?
04:22 AM on 07/22/2011
No. As much as I think Obama has been a less than mediocre president, all he has to do is run against Republicans.

That's particularly sad, since he himself is the best Republican president since Hoover.
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bg66astoria
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08:03 PM on 07/21/2011
He continued all the things he said he would change - wars, gifts to Wall ST, the Patriot Act, the de--fanged FISA act, and on and on.

To top it all off he & his "experts" can't recognize a jobs depression at the same time as the banks go under. And one of them is supposedly an expert on the history of FDR & the Great Depression??

The "best & brightest" are again proved to be neither!

Acute Potomac know-it-all virus runs rampant.

It's time to find out how many want their jobs enough to make sure everyone else has jobs or adequate SS benefits, adequate medical care, adequate nutrition support, etc.

Clinton helped to destroy the safety net & it's time for the people to make sure there's someone working for us in D.C.

It's simple - trade agreements with Panama & Colombia to benefit the Banksters & allow corporations to keep their foreign revenue away from The Treasury/IRS + cuts to SS/Medicare/Medicaid when they are already inadequate for good health already = anti-incumbent votes from POTUS down to city/county, school district!
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01:31 PM on 07/22/2011
Obama's experts on the Great Depression should have paid more attention to the Greatest Depression right before it. But, of course, it is never talked about nor presented in school. This would not include giving huge sums of money to friends, wall street donors and voting blocks so not a very popular chocie in this admin.
Supporters enjoy FDR who actually took a bad situation and made it a disease, taking taxes to 90% of income, price controls so that small firms could not compete against the big ones. FDR was a disaster. You mistake public works and vast employment initiatives as FDR when it was actually Hoover.
I used to think Carter was the worst president with the worst admin and worst decisions followed by FDR but I have changed my mind.
07:17 PM on 07/21/2011
It is clear that the President will not get anything done legislatively in this congress. His only hope is to continue to go out there to show Americans the vision he sees for the future. The Republicans vision for the future, if they get the house, senate, and Presidency is to get rid of social security and medicare. People are coming to realize that tax cuts on the riches 2% does not create jobs. What people have to understand is that if you are in a job, in this economic time, if you are with a company whose product is not demand, it is likely you will lose your job because your boss who is making more than $250,000 in order to maintain his salary may have to let you go and make adjustments like bringing back people at 25% less the salary.
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1088
05:44 PM on 07/21/2011
I trust President Obama more than anybody in Politics, media, friends or foes, thank you!
Aesculus glabra
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11:32 PM on 07/21/2011
Home Depot Co-Founder: Obama Is Choking Recovery
By JOHN MERLINE, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 07/20/2011 06:35 PM ET
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HD Home Depot Inc * Top-Rated Company IBD: Why don't more businesses speak out?

Marcus: They are frightened to death — frightened that they will have the IRS or SEC on them. In my 50 years in business, I have never seen executives of major companies who were more intimidated by an administration.

IBD: What's your message to the business community?

Marcus: It's time to stand up and fight. These people in Washington are out there making your life difficult, and many of you won't survive. Why aren't you doing something about it? The free enterprise system made this country what it is today, and we've got to keep it alive. We are on the edge of the abyss.

At the Job Creators Alliance, we're trying to recruit people who are willing to step up and say: " I've had it. There's no one representing me. I want to be out there and fight."
01:08 AM on 07/22/2011
Is Home Depot engaging in practices that would interest the IRS or the SEC? If not, then there's no reason to be anxious.
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marco01
01:28 AM on 07/22/2011
What exactly are they afraid of? Obama has been very friendly to business. They just see the "D" after his name and freak.
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SpinDizzy
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05:23 PM on 07/21/2011
Unlike the other presidents you mention, Obama has been forced to deal with an opposition who is united against improving the economy in order to further their own petty political ends. Obama should run against the Republican resistance, which is hated by the majority of the public. Obama should say, "Help me and help yourself by electing a congress that cares about the average American, not one that cares only for the millionaires and billionaires, the bankers and thieves who bought and paid for them. Let's have a government for 100 percent of the people, not just for the richest one percent."
10:09 PM on 07/21/2011
He had 2 years with a large democratic majority. No excuses.
01:07 AM on 07/22/2011
He only had about 54 democratic senators he could really count on, despite having 60 votes. Lieberman, Landrieu, Lincoln, Nelson, Bayh, all were problematic, even Baucus was not always on board. A functional filibuster proof majority would need to be 63-64 or so.

Probably for both parties, since to push 60 in the senate for republicans, they'll have to have more Scott Browns and Olympia Snowes.
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marco01
01:29 AM on 07/22/2011
A distortion of the truth here. See Aaron's comment.
Aesculus glabra
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11:32 PM on 07/21/2011
Revisionist history.
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marco01
01:30 AM on 07/22/2011
Hardly, in fact the poster is too kind. The stated goal of the Republicans is to make Obama fail.
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JimR
07:21 AM on 07/22/2011
Not at all.