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Celebration of the Birth of the Bab: Dawn of the Age of the Maturity of Humanity

Posted: 10/19/10 09:19 PM ET

It's the height of autumn's radiant color here in New Hampshire. As I look at the oranges and reds and yellows of the maple trees in the yard, I reflect on one of the divine attributes: uniqueness. Not only every tree, but every leaf on every tree that has ever existed or ever will exist is unique. This difference lends to the beauty and overall harmony of the earth, and it is a sign of the sacred uniqueness that is an aspect of the human soul.

Today, Baha'is in 188 countries worldwide celebrate the Birth of Siyyid Ali-Muhammad, the Herald of our Faith, whom we know as the Bab, a title that means both "Door" and "Gate" in Arabic. The first of the two Manifestations of God -- Prophets -- of our faith, the Bab was born in 1819 in Persia, today's Iran. The Baha'i writings state:

The appearance of the Bab resembles the dawn, for the dawn holds the promise of the sun. The dawn of the Bab promised the rising of the sun of truth that is to envelop the whole world.
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The House of the Bab, Shiraz, Iran, before its destruction in 1979 Copyright © 2007 Baha'i International Community, Used with permission


To Baha'is, his birth represents the dawn of a divinely promised Day in humanity's life, the age that will witness the maturity of the human race. That maturity will be reflected both in its collective unity and in the uniqueness of its individual elements. This is the dawn of a day during which we Baha'is believe the human race will create "a world organically unified in all the essential aspects of its life, its political machinery, its spiritual aspiration, its trade and finance, its script and language, and yet infinite in the diversity of the national characteristics of its federated units."

In the 1840's, the Bab called humanity to unity:

We have created you from one tree and have caused you to be as the leaves and fruit of the same tree, that haply ye may become a source of comfort to one another. Regard ye not others save as ye regard your own selves ... It behooveth you all to be one indivisible people.

His advent signaled the termination of the "Prophetic Cycle" and the inception of the "Cycle of Fulfillment." He publicly claimed to fulfill the promises of all faiths:

I am, I am, I am, the promised One! I am the One whose name you have for a thousand years invoked, at whose mention you have risen, whose advent you have longed to witness, and the hour of whose Revelation you have prayed God to hasten.

When he sent his first disciples into the world to proclaim his Faith, he summoned them to loftiness, to sacrifice for the proclamation of the truth and to a unified view of the world's great faiths:

O My beloved friends! You are the bearers of the name of God in this Day. You have been chosen as the repositories of His mystery. It behoves each one of you to manifest the attributes of God, and to exemplify by your deeds and words the signs of His righteousness, His power and glory. The very members of your body must bear witness to the loftiness of your purpose, the integrity of your life, the reality of your faith, and the exalted character of your devotion ... The time is come when naught but the purest motive, supported by deeds of stainless purity, can ascend to the throne of the Most High and be acceptable unto Him.

In his farewell address to these disciples he quoted verses and used imagery from the Hebrew Bible, the Gospel of Matthew and the Quran, and he sent one of his disciples to the peoples of India.

He was intolerant of mediocrity, and wrote that "Everything must be brought to its utmost limit of perfection." We Baha'is often emphasize unity, but the call in our Faith to uniqueness is no less important. Each of us is compared to "a mine rich in gems of inestimable value." We are assured that in this day the "potentialities inherent" within us will be attained, and the "innate excellence" of our reality will be demonstrated. Experience tells us that our destiny, our ultimate self-awareness, comes through our common service to humanity.

These two aspects of spiritual maturity -- the expression of our own identity, and the harmonization of our beliefs and goals -- will only be brought about by the utmost effort. Our writings, speaking of the attainment of world civilization, state:

A few, unaware of the power latent in human endeavor, consider this matter as highly impracticable, nay even beyond the scope of man's utmost efforts. Such is not the case, however. On the contrary, thanks to the unfailing grace of God, the loving-kindness of His favored ones, the unrivaled endeavors of wise and capable souls, and the thoughts and ideas of the peerless leaders of this age, nothing whatsoever can be regarded as unattainable. Endeavor, ceaseless endeavor, is required. Nothing short of an indomitable determination can possibly achieve it. Many a cause which past ages have regarded as purely visionary, yet in this day has become most easy and practicable. Why should this most great and lofty Cause -- the daystar of the firmament of true civilization and the cause of the glory, the advancement, the well-being and the success of all humanity -- be regarded as impossible of achievement? Surely the day will come when its beauteous light shall shed illumination upon the assemblage of man.

This effort is worthy of the wholehearted commitment of our life's energies. Today, we celebrate the birth of One who gave his life for this goal.

More can be read about the Bab here and a selection of his Writings is available here. A fuller version of this article, with citations to quotations and additional thoughts, is found on my blog.

 
It's the height of autumn's radiant color here in New Hampshire. As I look at the oranges and reds and yellows of the maple trees in the yard, I reflect on one of the divine attributes: uniqueness. ...
It's the height of autumn's radiant color here in New Hampshire. As I look at the oranges and reds and yellows of the maple trees in the yard, I reflect on one of the divine attributes: uniqueness. ...
 
 
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08:42 PM on 10/27/2010
Yeah, sounds really nice, really cool and progressive. But, guess what, you can't be gay. So, no good news here.

This religion doesn't provide anything that Christianity doesn't already. Also, for what it's worth, it does directly deny the finality of the Koran. It's a rejection of Islam, in other words.

We can opine all 'peace' all we want -- (Who isn't talking about their religion being the religion of peace nowadays?) -- but it's just a bunch of meaningless words if the religion doesn't stand for and serve to bring action in the service of social justice.
05:21 PM on 10/25/2010
Sorry, but MY prophets are THE most enlightened and intellectual. To quote:

"Be excellent to each other."
-- Bill S. Preston, Esquire and Ted "Theodore" Logan
02:10 PM on 10/24/2010
While the Baha´is have a lovely set of teachings, I think for me the great problem with ALL progressively revealed religions is that each one believes the revelations stopped with their guy (and it is invariably a guy, we should note). The Jews believe the great Prophets were the end. For the Christians, Jesus supplanted them--but ended G-d´s conversations with humanity. For the Muslims, Muhammed ended that conversation, supplanting Jesus and the Prophets, both. Of course, for the Baha´is, Baha u llah carried this partcular legacy to it´s end for them. SO who will be next, I ask? Better those religions which teach inner revelations and an acceptance of others as suitable for them, say, Hinduism (the most inclusive) or Buddhism, I say. Just my opinion...
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04:28 PM on 10/24/2010
My prophet is thee prophet phenomena or in this example my prophet is thee last prophet for the next 1000 years. The hidden agenda: my prophet is the last great one therefore I am special.

It is a human ego thing of wanting to be special. That wanting not wanting thing.

It is not a sin to want to feel special; it is a natural phase of the soul’s evolution of consciousness process.

This phase of soul development creates our unique “self” identity, then with time and experiences we begin to see we are all manifestations of the Infinite that most call God.

Once one comes to have knowledge of the involution and evolution of consciousness process this helps them to see that no one is special in this sense that someday we will all be known by some as gods or prophets. I.e. we all evolve in consciousness.

Here is the most interesting part the Bahai’s that read this; they will reject it outright as their paradigm has become that our prophet is indeed the last prophet for the next 1000 years. Oh the power of that paradigm effect.

This is what I mean by religion even the atheists are religious as is every political party, etc. For me to hate religion as someone accused me on this post would be to hate all those that have beliefs. We all do, this author included, it is again an example of the evolution of consciousness process.
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"The earth is but one country...." Bahá'u'lláh
03:54 PM on 10/26/2010
Actually, Bahá'ís are a little different from the religions come before. We recognize they all had prophecies that promised someone to come after, but the people of the religions either ignored those prophecies or thought the return would be of the same person. Bahá'ís believe Bahá'u'lláh is the latest of these Divine Messengers but not the last. We also believe He is the fulfillment of what they all taught. He said He was the Promised One of all religions and proved it by a life of sacrifice and suffering while never wavering in delivering a message that was for the betterment of the world and the unity of humanity. Bahá'u'lláh did not say He was the last Messenger. He said there would be one after Him to come after 1,000 years, which would be sometime after 2852 since His Revelation began in 1852, and that every thousand years or so, there would be another. Meanwhile, Bahá'ís see all God's Messengers (or Manifestations of God as we call them), the Prophet-Founders of the world's major religions as well as those lost to history, as part of the same Divine Process and essentially equal in rank, and Bahá'u'lláh said to make any distinction among them was forbidden. OTOH, they each had different levels of influence depending on the circumstances and the people that they appeared to, but the Light is the same. Many Hindus have accepted Bahá'u'lláh as the Tenth Avatar, so you're right, they are very inclusive. :)
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02:21 AM on 10/24/2010
"We don't have all of Bahá'u'lláh's writings translated either, but we are very blessed to have over 2,200 pages between both of theirs. What a bounty! "

the bahaullah's writings are very profound but his son's and grandson's are less profound and lack the understanding of some of this prophets writings. that is the danger of having a son and grandson as follow up prophets. it is very suspect to have son and grandson as the only persons in charge and can add to your teachings after you the prophet cross over.

but I can tell this religion is very important to you and that can be a good thing and this religion has some profound spiritual teachings. not the most advanced I have seen but better then many religions.

"there is only love and the want of love". chinese monk.


if one understands this simple axiom then one knows all spiritual teachings are in the realm of this quote. it is the want of love that leads to these misguided desires that can be so troublesome.
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Wendy1844
"The earth is but one country...." Bahá'u'lláh
04:11 PM on 10/26/2010
Bahá'u'lláh's son, 'Abdu'l-Bahá, and great grandson (not grandson) Shoghi Effendi, were not Prophets, but they were designated in writing by their predecessors to interpret the Writings of Bahá'u'lláh and head the Faith, and their understandings of those writings are authoritative and quite wonderful. They kept the Faith from splitting up into sects, too. If you can't see how fabulous it is to have their interpretations and insights, perhaps you haven't actually read any of what they said. It doesn't seem like it. You have a very cursory knowledge of the Faith, and a lot of what you say about it is not right. There are lots of books to learn more, and you can always go online to get more information at bahai.us or bahai.org.
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02:17 AM on 10/24/2010
"I am not a manifestation of the Infinite except in some very limited ways, not like the Báb was anyway, nor Bahá'u'lláh, who is the main Prophet-Founder of the Bahá'í Faith"

all souls are manifestations of the infinite no exceptions. the difference is the evolution of consciousness process. the masses need a prophet to look up to, some even need a king image, some even a savior image, most need a god made in the image of humans.

these prophets are spiritual teachers and their words need to be studied but all souls are advancing some faster than others.

again this kind of thinking is making a god in the image of humans and this is common among religions. once we join a religion any religion the discovery process is over and we will defend those religious teachings in spite of the evidence.

even materialists do the same, this phenomena is not just due to religion it is part of the evolution of consciouenss process. a phase of soul development so to speak.
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Wendy1844
"The earth is but one country...." Bahá'u'lláh
04:18 PM on 10/26/2010
Well, you are free to believe whatever you like, of course, but human beings do not manifest all the attributes of God or we would be God, and obviously we are not. To manifest means to show, to make plain. Bahá'u'lláh manifested God's attributes at all times. So did the Báb. Human beings? Not so much. As all the Holy Books of all the religions point out, we are all sinners, so to say we all manifest God, "no exceptions," is not taking into consideration criminals who carry out any number of atrocities against their fellow human beings, which should be a fairly good indication they're not manifesting the Divine even if it's latent within them.

Bahá'ís do NOT make God into our image, quite the opposite. We are endeavoring to be made in the image of God, to do His Will in our lives, to become close to God spiritually, out of our love for our Creator. We don't require that God look like a human being or act like one for this relationship to occur, nor do we expect we will be perfect and always be godly. It is a process of spiritual growth and development.

Again, before you start making generalizations about what our Faith is, you might want to do some actual research into it through reading or getting together with some of the believers. After all, it's practically impossible to find out what Bahá'ís really believe unless you actually talk to one.
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Wendy1844
"The earth is but one country...." Bahá'u'lláh
03:46 PM on 10/23/2010
Beautiful article, Brent! How wonderful to have it here on the Huffington Post. :) Sorry I missed it on the Holy Day.
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12:33 PM on 10/22/2010
"This stands in contrast to the writings of the Bab which outline in some detail the waging of Holy War in order to promulgate the cause of his religion and which, toward the end of his life, took on a very hostile tone towards anyone who would not recognize his messianic claims"

www.bahaia­wareness.c­om


"And Bahais have not been able to reconcile these differences nor explain why no book of the Bab is "approved" by the UHJ."

if these things are true and this person is considered a major manifestation of God?

we are all manifestations of the infinite. no one is special but some have evolved to a higher level of consciousness. and holy wars are not at a high level of consciousness. holy wars are of the ego not the spirit.

interesting website.
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Wendy1844
"The earth is but one country...." Bahá'u'lláh
05:37 PM on 10/23/2010
I am not a manifestation of the Infinite except in some very limited ways, not like the Báb was anyway, nor Bahá'u'lláh, who is the main Prophet-Founder of the Bahá'í Faith. The Báb is in a unique position in history, which was why he took that title, meaning Gate or Door. He had his own Dispensation that ended when Bahá'u'lláh received His first major Revelation in 1852. The Báb's Dispensation was only to last 9 years. The Universal House of Justice has put out a book of selected writings of the Báb from various sources. Some reasons they haven't done more is that His writings were revealed in a style of Arabic that is very difficult to translate, plus His Dispensation is over, so translating everything is not all that necessary at this point. We follow Bahá'u'lláh's teachings for our daily practices and principles, which mostly match what the Báb taught, but some of it is different, as the Báb said it would be when "He Whom God will make Manifest" comes. The Báb's writings have been published in their original languages for way over a hundred years. They are available if anyone wants to read them that way, and I know several Persian believers who accepted the Faith after having read both His writings and Bahá'u'lláh's in the original Arabic or Persian. We don't have all of Bahá'u'lláh's writings translated either, but we are very blessed to have over 2,200 pages between both of theirs. What a bounty!
11:22 AM on 10/22/2010
The quotations in the above article have been taken out of context of the life of the Bab. Over a period of time, the Bahais have changed their views about the Bab. Pay attention to the words of Bahaullah, then Shoghi, then Abbas Effendi and then modern day Bahais. There is a difference in the view. And Bahais have not been able to reconcile these differences nor explain why no book of the Bab is "approved" by the UHJ. Interested readers can look up the web site www.bahaiawareness.com
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Wendy1844
"The earth is but one country...." Bahá'u'lláh
05:42 PM on 10/23/2010
Sorry, but you obviously have no contact with any Bahá'ís, so you really don't know anything. This is not true, and if you would look at the post I just wrote above to "researcher," you'll find an answer to your issue, if you're really all that interested. I've been a believer for almost 47 years, and I haven't found any change in how we view any of our Central Figures. People who have a hidden agenda may make up stuff about this Faith to discredit it, but if you really want the truth, you have to go to actual believers about what they believe, as you would to find out about any religion.
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11:55 AM on 10/21/2010
I have not made myself clear of what I mean by religion.

Religion is not about the prophet’s teachings. Those teachings may be profound or full of half-truths or whatever. Even half-truths have some truth to them and should be studied. Religion is about those that follow a prophets teaching. Once the human mind thinks that “it knows reality, the discovery process” is over. Hence the word religion; the mind shuts down.

History has shown us that if a new prophet comes along and presents teachings that are more advanced or different than the prevailing religious teachings that prophet has a good chance of being put to death or thrown out of the country. The followers of that existing religion think their religion is “thee” religion and anyone that challenges their cherished beliefs is in for a rough ride or worst.

The Bab and Jesus are living proof of this phenomenon. The Catholics have put many to death that believed or taught something different. Wars are fought over religious beliefs. Even a materialist that has become a confirmed atheist will reject any teachings not in alignment with their materialistic beliefs. Again “religion” is a human phenomenon of “I know” and not just about a prophet’s teachings.

This Religion like all religions rejects any teachings that are beyond its own prophets unless of course those teachings are in alignment with its prophet. Hope that made sense about religion from my viewpoint. Most will disagree I am sure. :-)
09:38 PM on 10/21/2010
Wow...um is "researcher" supposed to be ironic??? I would tell you to actually do some research but I don’t really care...I do know that Baha’is are the hippies of all the religions and a main belief is that all the religious books are like volumes in chronological order reflecting human history at the time they were documented which every Baha’i should respect. Beating up on a Baha’i is like beating up on someone that loves you...it’s just being bitter. That is understandable as those that are non violent and compassionate are the easiest targets...hope you had fun making baseless assertions with the vitriol and truthiness of rush and beck...
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04:24 AM on 10/22/2010
wow too bad you looked at it aa a beating up on a prophet.

bahai is a religion and like all religions they share something in common.

they have decided their prophet is the lastest prophet and will be thee prophet for the next 1000 years. that is what I call the religion part and that males control the teachings. ie most religions are male dominated. even the buddhists.

I consider these beliefs ignorance of the evolution of consciousness process and it shuts down new discoveries during that person's lifetime. ie our prophet is the end all.

but everyone has a path and this religion is as good as any as a religious path.

as far as compassionate you know not what you speak. compassion is based on understanding the mask behind the personality not sympathy or empathy.

non violent is not compassionate it can become very violent as a resistance movement.

it may be effective to bring about change (or not) but that does not mean it is based in compassion.

it is based in a wanting and not wanting; both self confirmatory ideation. ie ego thing. :-)
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01:24 AM on 10/21/2010
If there ever was a religious statement this has to be as good example as anything I could ever say or write. This quote is religion defined. Atheists are made not born by statements like these.

“The House of justice, however, according to the explicit text of the Law of God, is confined to men, this for a wisdom of the Lord God's, which will ere long be made manifest as clearly as the sun at high noon.”

What is it about the human mind that is unable to see the contradiction in this statement below??? The universal house of justice is open to men only and ran by men only. Admit it and move on. This is just another religion it may be a very good religion as religions go that was not my point. It is right in there with the catholics as a male driven organization. The male ego thing.

“Third - This same Universal House of Justice, both itself, and the community it guides as an institution, have been and are now actively, unceasingly advancing the status of women as equal to men”

The statement “are now actively unceasing advancing the status of women as equal to men” is about as condensending as one could write and I know it will be impossible for you to see that. As you now identify with that religion; paradigm paralysis has set in. That is the power of the paradigm effect that few see in the world very few.
12:46 PM on 10/21/2010
Please enlighten us how a community of 6 million together advancing the status of women is condescending. OR do you think women are just naturally gonna get equality without opportunities that have to be opened up to them?
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08:36 PM on 10/21/2010
advancing the status of women ran by a all male justice system?????????

it this was not so ignorant it would be funny.

bet the catholics would say the same thing about their all male priests advancing the status of women.

this response is not about your prophet's teachings, it is about religion and once we become a confirmed believer in any religion or even a political party the discovery process becomes nil.

this is why politics and religion as so alike in their paradigm paralysis.

if paradigm and paradigm effect are fancy words to you then study them as we view the world through our paradigms.
12:47 PM on 10/21/2010
Fancy words. Paradigm effect. Paradigm paralysis. They MUST be true since they are so fancy... And yet you yourself also have a paradigm. How can you not see that? How can you not see your paradigm paralysis?
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12:35 AM on 10/21/2010
"His advent signaled the termination of the "Prophetic Cycle""

How convenient.
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03:36 AM on 10/21/2010
ti works for them.

it works for the christians.

it works for the muslims.

it works for the buddhists but it is much harder to see.

it is an ego thing, my religion is thee religion.

oh this religion will accept other prophets teachings as long as they support their prophets teachings.

challenge their prophets teachings and you are not welcome but this applies to all religions.

even the atheists will give out personal insults if you challenge their beliefs.

the human ego seeks comfort in its beliefs and "like attracts like": this also brings comfort to the ego.
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Wendy1844
"The earth is but one country...." Bahá'u'lláh
06:07 PM on 10/23/2010
It has nothing to do with ego. Both the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh suffered horrible persecution, deprivation, torture, and imprisonments for their teachings. In a worldly way, their promotion of better conditions for all people everywhere did not do anything for them. The Báb was martyred, shot by a firing squad of 750 rifles, for His teachings when He was only 31 years old. Bahá'u'lláh suffered 40 years of abuse at the hands of the Muslim clergy and power structure because of His teachings, and He always said that if it were up to Him, He would never have allowed one word to come from His lips. He would never have chosen such a life that meant so much suffering for both Himself and His family. You can try to attribute human qualities to these Divine Personages, but They're so far above you, you can't even imagine what they were like or what they went through. None of us can, but the one thing I do know, it had nothing to do with worldly fame or exalting some ego. Their selflessness has been the inspiration for millions to also lead a life of sacrifice for the betterment of the world. Denigrate them all you like, it won't change a thing.
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11:15 AM on 10/25/2010
His advent also signaled the beginning of the age of fulfillment.

The Bab, Baha'is believe, came to prepare the way for Baha'u'llah. Baha'u'llah attests very clearly that He is by no means the last Manifestation of God. God will continue to send Messengers.
10:19 PM on 10/20/2010
Like lost children we wander through the corridors of time searching for truth, understanding, and wisdom. Religion isn’t the answer it is an obstacle that needs to be overcome.
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03:39 AM on 10/21/2010
religion is a phase of the evolution of consciousness process. everyone gets through it but it may take many lives.

how many lives? that is the variation of soul development. some more than others.

religion can blind us or it can be a path to create a higher level of awareness.
12:48 PM on 10/21/2010
Typical western individualistic selfish self-actualization tripe. Without community religion and philosophy are deadwood.
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Wendy1844
"The earth is but one country...." Bahá'u'lláh
06:11 PM on 10/23/2010
Well,I have found it to be exactly the opposite. Not old religions that are divided and corrupted, but this new Revelation, which though still in an embryonic form and not looking all that great yet, has enormous potential to make it better for everyone, believer or not. For after all, we can't have a golden society with leaden individuals in it. When people make efforts to be loving and kind, to aspire to all the goodness they can in all aspects of life, it raises humanity little by little. Well, that's what I've found anyway. You're free to reject it if you like. God never makes us believe or act. It's all up to us.
07:39 PM on 10/20/2010
Humanity mature? Now that is a concept or is it a myth?
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Wendy1844
"The earth is but one country...." Bahá'u'lláh
06:13 PM on 10/23/2010
Just as individual people should ordinarily go through life becoming more mature as they age, so should humanity, don't you think? We're not mature yet, of course, but we're getting there. We're like teenagers right now, not too disciplined or happy, but longing for a better and more mature way, free of childish hangups like ignorance and prejudice. Bahá'ís believe we'll get there one of these days. It's really up to us when.
08:54 PM on 10/23/2010
Well done. I believe this. Humanity needs time. Fanned and faved!
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04:04 PM on 10/20/2010
"To be afflicted this way is a great burden to a conscientious soul. But through the advice and help doctors, through a strong and determined effort, and through prayer, a soul can overcome this handicap."


this is the advice of this religion on homosexuality.

remember this is a religion controlled by 12 men. what they say is law.

you can bet there is some homophobia going on big time in that group of 12 as we see today in our religions.

I have found not data to support the belief that homosexuality is a great burden to the soul.

this is again judging by appearances. it is religion and like most religions they dont view the world from a soul's perspective but by the human condition and all of its invalid beliefs.

the great burden is to the people judging others and trying to put their truths on others.
07:46 PM on 10/20/2010
The House of justice, however, according to the explicit text of the Law of God, is confined to men, this for a wisdom of the Lord God's, which will ere long be made manifest as clearly as the sun at high noon.
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10:14 PM on 10/20/2010
Wow. We've really screwed up the Supreme Court something terible!
11:30 PM on 10/20/2010
Thank you Vernon, and to add a few points:

There are some very relevant facts that any fair-minded observer would have to be aware of:

First - the highest individual station in the Bahai faith is that of International Couselor, and these positions are held by women and men.
Second - the Universal House of Justice's membership being limited to men is not and never has been a statement about the weakness, inferiority of women or anything like that. The Baha'i writings simply say that women are exempt from membership on it, and the teachings never have nor do now say it is because they are incapable or deficient. Which is a lot more than some secular leaders say.
Third - This same Universal House of Justice, both itself, and the community it guides as an institution, have been and are now actively, unceasingly advancing the status of women as equal to men. This is not in dispute. Ask any women's organization on the planet at they will tell you you will find no more reliable partner than the Baha'is, the Universal House of Justice, in the struggle to advance the equality of women.
07:47 PM on 10/20/2010
...and other Tolkein sounding things.
12:00 AM on 10/21/2010
Cute. Sarcasm is truly the luxury of overeducated upper middle class folks like you.
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03:26 PM on 10/20/2010
Of course, if the Bab was REALLY the return of the Hidden Imam, he wouldn't have been born only in 1819.
03:49 PM on 10/20/2010
Dear Messy, the Bab claimed to be the spiritual, not the literal return of said named Messiah. But he claimed a lot more. It is humans' and Muslims' limited understanding of what even that promised one was supposed to be that he expanded on.

The Bab claimed and is seen by Baha'is to be no less than a fully independent Manifestation of God in his own right, like Jesus, etc. Not even Muslims believe the Hidden Imam will be that. If you are interested in these aspects of the religion/Baha'i faith I would be happy to direct you to references.

Have you had a chance to study the Baha'i Faith through its primary writings? The Book of Certitude is a fabulous place to start if you are interested in seeing how at least Christian and Muslim prophecies are seen to be fulfilled by Baha'is today.
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researcher
04:19 PM on 10/20/2010
"The Bab claimed and is seen by Baha'is to be no less than a fully independent Manifestation of God in his own right,"

all are a manifestation of the Infinite. no exceptions.

please note readers that last sentence how all christian and muslim prophecies are seen to be fufulled by the bahai's today.

translated my religion is thee religion. we humans love being special. ie ego thing.

please note I stated we and I am part of that we human thing. :-)

they believe another prophet like bab will not come along for another 1000 years.

sorry bab followers but you have created for yourselves another religion.