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What Happened When My Son Asked to Join the Boy Scouts

Posted: 04/17/2012 11:17 am

As parents, we have the crappy job of making decisions regarding our kids. Most of the time, these choices are super easy -- like if they'll buy lunch that day, or if they should wear a jacket.

Other decisions are trickier, like if they can play at Joe's house even though his dad has guns, or if they'll attend private or public school.

It's hard as hell, and I could ask 100 different parents and get 100 different answers.

The fact is, there is no right answer, only your answer. One you often make in a caffeine-induced stupor and three-day-old underwear, surrounded by little people you wish would just shut up for five f*cking minutes so you could have a coherent thought that's not set to the tune of a Yo Gabba Gabba song, although, admittedly... all my sex dreams are now done to the soundtrack of Try It, You'll Like It!

I would say, overall, I have a 70/30 parental success rate, which sounds low, but it's not. I mean, there are no books on this... all right, yeah, there are actually tons of books on this, but seriously, who has time to read them? They're incredibly dull and if I want to feel bad about myself, I'll go into an Anthropologie and try to fit into stuff.

Andy and I make decisions for our kids together, turning to Google if we need a third party moderator, which we seldom do. His level-headed nature and my flamboyant idealism usually produce decisions that don't end in death or loss of custody or permanent body modifications.

Yesterday, Jude came home in a tizzy of excitement about campfires and pizza and BB guns and catapults, which, admittedly, all sound awesome. Where on Earth can you get all those awesome things? Boy Scouts. For $12 a year plus uniforms and badges and other random fees, you can have camping and dirt and building things and shooting stuff and boys and debauchery and fun.

I was a Girl Scout for years, and had the pleasure of working for the organization after college, and I am chomping at the bit for Gigi to be old enough to join. They have a great message, they stand for and teach amazing things, and they sell cookies that I like to eat.

Win, win, win.

But when Jude asked to join Boy Scouts, my heart hurt... because I knew we might have to tell him no. In fact, in my head, I was already screaming no, no way, absolutely not, not happening. But, I have this almost-6-year-old beautiful boy in front of me, who's bursting at the seams to see his friends at meetings and get a free mini catapult for joining.

And suddenly things got harder. I remember my brother was in Boy Scouts for a year or two, and he would go away to camp and participate in the Pine Wood Derby, and I know, deep down, that is stuff Jude would love.

But, I also know that Boy Scouts of America has an explicit anti-gay policy. And while he may not understand all that in the grand scheme of equality and civil rights and humanity, would he understand that it meant that his friend's dad couldn't be his leader? That one of his relatives couldn't participate? That some of our dearest family friends would be unwelcome?

Do I pause all that in lieu of a pizza party and BB guns because it's easier, neater, less of an OMG TANTRUM APOCALYPSE?

I know Jude obviously won't go to meetings and get indoctrinated into an anti-gay mindset. He'd probably learn a craft and play a game and sell ridiculously overpriced stale popcorn that nobody ever wants to buy, leaving me to pick up the tab.

But, we'd also be one more family making it ok for an organization to stand for ideals we just don't agree with.

For us, the answer was no.

I've had to teach my kids lessons in the most unexpected places, usually when I am completely unprepared, and almost always while I have food in my mouth, and it sucks most of the time. Explaining life is hard, especially when you have to use clean language and Dora the Explorer analogies.

This post originally appeared on BarefootFoodie.com.

 
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10:32 PM on 06/14/2012
I enjoyed the article even though I found using the "c" word in the first sentence disturbing. I didn't see a referene to an actual national BSA website and saw no comments from anyone in the BSA that talked about their policy. BSA provides some great programs still but since they serve so few youth anymore, that the alternative must be coming from the hundreds of thousands of people that feel that the BSA organization should not be allowed to have their freedom of association. It's so hard doing anything with youth now with the threat of lawsuits, pedophiles lurking in ever greater numbers, and everyone wanting access to kids. Rightwing religious organizations to carnival barkers to hundreds of non profits to folks that own bounce houses to whatever business that springs up next that needs youth for their pocketbooks. Great article, next time try to be a little more balanced and bring in all the issues. Why are people homophobes? Why do gay people so want to be in Scouting? Is it to really be in a program that has been decling for 50 years or is it just to break down another barrier? What's after Gay? For example, since America has the largest number of people incarated in the world, perhaps when they get out, they should be allowed to be teachers or other public servants? How long are we going to hold their crimes against them? They are out...they must be ok.
05:18 PM on 06/10/2012
So many posts seem to suggest that while the writers believe the policy is unfair, they would let their child join. Here's a thought, write to BSA and tell them their policy is WRONG, support the "Scouting for All" movement. All you "I was an Eagle Scout" or "my brother was an Eagle Scout" posting people, take that great stuff you learned and speak up! (:

Then this mom won't have to make this tough decision.
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Mia Olson
We are all better off if we are all better off
08:47 PM on 04/30/2012
I did not want my son to join the Scouts because of this policy myself. My husband, who is 100% supporter of gay rights, was an Eagle Scout & wants the same for our son. He said that he had a good friend who was in Scouts along with him who, as it turned out, happens to be gay. The organization does not realize it, apparently, but due to statistics many of their Scouts will turn out to be gay. To make my peace with the decision to allow him to be included, I decided that what the organization needs is people like us - like my son - who will be accepting of all of those Scouts. Someone to stand up for them if need be. And we also let our feelings be known that we are against that policy. I do have nagging doubts, but my son is turning out to be a wonderful human being who has not one bit of prejudice in his body. Who knows? Maybe he'll make a difference.
05:00 PM on 04/24/2012
Looking at all these posts, I would ask everyone just one thing. Would you enroll your child in an organization (even one that did really wonderful things for him/her) that emraced racism, slavery, anit-Semitism? If your answer is, "No, of course not. I would not stand for that." then you understand the mental set of this parent. She views the gay righs issue as one that is every bit as much an atrocity of justice as the aforementioned practices (and many, many people agree with her). So, if you don't agree with what she is doing, it just means that YOU don't see discrimination against gay people to be as big of a deal as she does. And, of course, that is YOUR right as an American. But this is her son, and this call is HER right.
01:22 PM on 04/24/2012
This is poor parental choice made from the same sort of idealistically stilted cloth as the policy of the BSA. There are many rules we have to abide by in our society that are outdated, one sided or just plain wrong. Still, we participate because the end result is a higher quality of life for those we love. This parent is making an ideological stand utilizing her son as leverage. She publically states that she clearly "understands he won't go to meetings and get indoctrinated into an anti-gay mindset" yet chooses to refuse him a clear growth opportunity because of her own personal bias. She then includes a public lament about how hard it was for her to make the decision. Did she do this for the boy? I suspect she wanted her evolved friends and relatives to understand she made the “enlightened choice”. The “hard” decision would be to place her child in front of her yearning to liked and respected, especially if it doesn’t cause harm to the child. I suspect her parenting success rate may be lower than the 70/30 mark she mentioned.
04:37 PM on 04/24/2012
You and she just differ as far as the depth of feeling you have about this issue. You feel it can "abided" for the sake of what skills her son will learn. She feels it is such a violation of freedom and equality that she cannot support an organization that promotes this. Her son's apprecaition of equality and human rights trumps the camping trips, merit badges, and Pinewood Derbies. She is the parent; she gets to make the call. And as for the "harm" she is doing her son....milllions of brilliant, active, creative, skilled kids grew up just fine without the Boy Scouts. So she is certainly not dooming her kid to some sort of stoic existence. It all boils down to just how passionately one feels about the issue. I am NOT criticizing you for how YOU feel about it, just observing that this woman obviously feels much differenly about it than you.
08:53 PM on 04/24/2012
Let me clarify what the Scouting program actually provides as it is far more than the camping trips, merit badges and pinewood derbies you mention. The "skills" the program develops are the core values of citizenship, compassion, cooperation, courage, faith, health and fitness, honesty, perseverance, positive attitude, resourcefulness, respect and responsibility. The writer clearly understands this benefit as she both participated as a youth and worked for the Girl Scouts when she was in college. The Girl Scouts were formed in 1912 on the foundations of the BSA by Juliette Gordon Lowe after she met Robert Baden Powell in 1911. If you have been in one of these programs, or have had a child in either, you clearly understand that the policies of the National offices rarely come in to play at the local level. I do not have to agree with the policies of a program to see the value of the content. You are correct in stating that she is the parent and she gets to make the call. That said, she has the responsibility to place personal bias aside when making decisions of this nature. You speak of the "harm" she is doing her son; I did not say that. I point to the good the program can provide for her son if she allowed him entry. I thank you for not choosing to criticize me, but rest assured I have the resolve to defend any position I feel strongly enough to post.
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maxmama212
May you get what you wish for ~Old Chinese Curse
12:57 AM on 05/07/2012
The leadership should put their values of cooperation, compassion and courage to better use. Nobody would be defending them if they didn't allow minority races or the disabled. No difference! Simple as that....
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jimboy71
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12:55 PM on 04/23/2012
I grew up knowing I was gay. I was in cubs (not sure what you call this in the US), scouts, and venturers (14-18)...

I went mountain climbing, whitewater rafting, winter, summer and survival camping, learned how to find food in the woods, be self-reliant, played all kinds of fun games, learned to make, use and maintain tools canoed, made river trips...

In short, did all the things that one could possibly do in the wild by the time I was out of highschool. The perspective was invaluable, and ONLY the scouts, or a VERY educated group of parents can offer this experience.

I would do it again in a heartbeat, despite the horrible policy, and I support the Scouts, even though I can no longer be a member.
04:43 PM on 04/24/2012
You are a much more tolerant man than I am. I cannot really understand how you can support an organization that does not want you in it. My gay Republican friends have justified their choice by saying they seek to change the party from within, so I get that. But I am having a hard time wrapping my head around supporting an organization that feels I am not worthy of being a member. I am not criticizing you or your choice to support the Scouts by means...you are free to support whatever groups and policies you want in America. I guess I am just sort of having a hard time grasping it.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
10:56 PM on 04/24/2012
It's not about me. It's about kids and not letting my feeling and hurt get in the way of that. I don't need to be a member anymore...I learned what I needed to. I support letting other boys do the same.
12:55 PM on 04/23/2012
So, a six year old boy doesn't get a chance to try out scouting, because of his mother's intolerance for intolerance.
04:45 PM on 04/24/2012
From your perspective, ok. From hers, she does not want to in any way support an organization that does not support equality, and she wants her son to have that same value. She sees instilling that quality in her son a better thing to do than letting him have the experience of Boy Scouts. So it is all about perspective.
05:42 PM on 04/24/2012
Heaven forbid that she rely on her upbringing of her son to instill her values. One wouldn't want him to experience the opportunity to achieve what he could as a scout, while retaining the values she wants him to grow up with. Never mind that his experience would equip him to evaluate groups and individuals for himself as he grows older. I maintain that she's doing him a disservice both in the long and short run.
He's not my kid, and she has the responsibility for raising him, and she's the parent. That empowers her to make that decision on his behalf. I wouldn't think of even trying to encroach on that, but I do disagree.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:45 PM on 04/23/2012
Your ideology isn't your child's, and while the Boy Scout's policy is reprehensible, I would send my kids (if I had any) and would recommend that any parent send their kids through this organization.

Why? Because it teaches invaluable skills not taught anywhere else (unless you know people who still maintain the stuff that made our ancestors able to live in what was once a wilderness).

I'm a gay man. Was the experience homophobic? Sure...but no more or less than any other part of my childhood.

Respectfully, you have made the wrong decision. Kids will always want to find new identities, explore different avenues, and some of these will not be to our liking.

Your child will grow to resent your "no"...and if these "nos" continue, well...then you will have a child that resents you.
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see-ellen2001
03:44 PM on 04/22/2012
I understand her point but with kids where does it end? Can't go to the birthday party because the restaurant is not vegetarian and we are? I tend to support changing systems from within. He may grow up thru scouts and be a force for change. Not sure how keeping your young lad out of scouts will leave an impression on him except perhaps being upset with you.
04:52 PM on 04/24/2012
your example seems to equate vegetarianism with human rights. that seems a little off balance to me. this woman sees this issue as every bit as disgraceful as slavery, racism, ant-Semitism. would you feel fine about allowing your child to participate in an organization that embraced any of those things? If not, then you just don't feel the same way about this issue that this morther does. Which, by the way, is your right. But it is also her right to equate the gay rights issue with these other things.
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Francois Bergeron
seeking sense
02:35 PM on 04/22/2012
Did you explain to your kid why you said he couldn't join?
I would have let him make up his own mind after explaining your thoughts on the issue.
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AZLibDem
If you're speeding, you're an "illegal"
06:54 PM on 04/22/2012
"I would have let him make up his own mind after explaining your thoughts on the issue. "

OK, I'll bite; how would you explain sexual and religious discrimination to a six year old in a way that would enable him to make an informed decision? I'm genuinely curious.
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Francois Bergeron
seeking sense
02:36 AM on 04/23/2012
Oh don't make the mistake of believing that kids can't understand this stuff. The kid should know why his mom kept him out of the scouts.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:48 PM on 04/23/2012
I'll answer:

Do you know how some kids get picked on because they have red hair? Have other kids not let you play with them because of ANY silly reason, like your clothes, how you looked...etc.

(All kids experience this from the moment they meet other children)

Do you want to be part of a group that doesn't let some people participate? Any child can understand this concept.
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KS7
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02:10 AM on 04/22/2012
Let me guess that she wouldn't approve of her 18 year old son joining the military because she disagreed with one or another military operations.
04:53 PM on 04/22/2012
So, you're comparing what people in the Military do to what children in Boy Scouts do? So, soldiers and marines roast marshmallows for Justice? Children leave the Boy Scouts with a sense of pride and accomplishment because they helped save their country? Your point in writing this, I think, was to undermine the writer's point by comparing it to something that, in your own light, is similar. Which only makes your point invalid, because the only thing you successfully undermined was your own analogy.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:49 PM on 04/23/2012
Boy Scouts is a paramilitary organization, and it was designed to train civilians in the ways of a militia. Many, many Scout leaders are ex or current military (including my own).

You might want to know a little about the history of the organization before spouting off.
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AZLibDem
If you're speeding, you're an "illegal"
06:35 PM on 04/22/2012
Yeah, because a 6 year old is the same thing as an 18 year old.
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KS7
Let us be poised and wise
01:44 AM on 04/22/2012
Should our children be hostages to our political agenda? Imagine if this author's mother wouldn't allow her to attend college due to the mother's political beliefs? How can we withhold joyous experiences from out children that are not easily replaced by other activities? When you have a transgender child to deal with, or a drug addict, or a depressed child - she'll always wonder if it was in some way related to the fact that she withheld these primal experiences?
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03:14 PM on 04/22/2012
Standing against open discrimination does not constitute a "political belief".
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:51 PM on 04/23/2012
Does she not vote because there is no gay marriage in her state? Probably not.

The issue here is this is HER stance. Not her child's.
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KS7
Let us be poised and wise
01:36 AM on 04/22/2012
He will never forgive you for this. There are no good alternatives to the boy scouts that have such programs that not only teach skills, but create character.
03:52 AM on 04/22/2012
What about 4-H?
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:52 PM on 04/23/2012
Sure. When was the last time you saw a 4-H club in a city? Moreover, it doesn't teach archery, marksmanship, knife skills, and camping. It is geared towards agriculture.
11:42 AM on 04/22/2012
What about Campfire? They allow both genders and are not religiously affiliated.
tccat4
We all have a right to our opinion, like it or not
01:27 AM on 04/22/2012
Children that age don't understand the whys and why not. Just that it sounds like fun. Parents need to put their own judgements aside till the child is old enough to understand them.
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KaraC
Trans lesbian, atheist and humanist
01:23 AM on 04/23/2012
So should children that age be indoctrinated into their parents religion, taken to church and so forth?
12:40 PM on 04/23/2012
Absolutely !!!! I took my kids to church basically from the time they were born. When they were tween/teens, if they asked questions about other religions, we took them to other churches and a synagogue, they read about other religions, and they could make their own decisions. And none of them are scarred from having to attend church when they were small - and they have a much stronger sense of morality and family values to boot !!!
So what is your point? You have a problem with children being taught morals and principals?
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
12:56 PM on 04/23/2012
Most are...I was. Didn't do me a lick of good.

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raidrmik67
01:01 AM on 04/22/2012
I don't recall any anti gay verbiage and/or propaganda when I was in the scouts. I think this is a very selfish decision by the mother, let kids be kids and discover life and make their own conclusions as they mature.

BTW I believe a 6 year old would join the "cub" scouts, not the boy scouts.
05:40 AM on 04/22/2012
Ditto, raidrmik67, as I recall they actually taught tolerance and acceptance of others despite differences.
04:46 PM on 04/22/2012
Which, if you think about it, is really hypocritical. "Tolerance is key! Unless you're gay. Then no. You can't come." Honestly, if I had sons, I wouldn't let them join the Boy Scouts. Simply because I don't feel that it's right to neglect both my morals and ethics JUST so my kid can roast marshmallows with other six-year-old's. But that's just me. I think that just because something can temporarily make a child happy, doesn't mean they should get it automatically... I would rather have to explain to my son when he's older why I didn't let him join, than have him come to me when he's sixteen and ask me "Hey mom, did you know the Boy Scouts has a strict anti-gay policy? You did? Then why'd you let me join?"