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Lies, Damn Lies, and Armenian Deaths


On April 24, 2009--Armenian Remembrance Day-- President Barack Obama issued a statement "remember[ing] the 1.5 million Armenian [deaths] in the final days of the Ottoman Empire." The President stumbled.

To paraphrase Mark Twain, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and the number of Armenians who are claimed by Armenians and their echo chambers to have died in an alleged World War I genocide. Almost a century later, the number of deaths they assert oscillates between 1.5-2 million. But the best contemporary estimates by Armenians or their sympathizers were 300,000-750,000 (compared with 2.4 million Ottoman Muslim deaths in Anatolia). Further, not a single one of those deaths necessarily falls within the definition of genocide in the authoritative Genocide Convention of 1948. It requires proof that the accused was responsible for the physical destruction of a group in whole or in substantial part specifically because of their race, nationality, religion, or ethnicity. A political or military motivation for a death falls outside the definition.

Immediately after the war, when events and memories were fresh, Armenians had no incentive to concoct high casualty figures or genocidal motivations for their deaths. Their objective was statehood. Armenians were encouraged by the self-determination concept in President Woodrow Wilson's Fourteen Points, (while conveniently forgetting that they were a minority in Eastern Anatolia where they hoped to found a new nation). Armenian leaders pointed to their military contribution to defeating the Ottomans and population figures that would sustain an Armenian nation.

Boghus Nubar, then Head of the Armenian Delegation to the Paris Peace Conference (1919), wrote to the French Foreign Minister Stephen Pichon: "The Armenians have been, since the beginning of the war, de facto belligerents, as you yourself have acknowledged, since they have fought alongside the Allies on all fronts, enduring heavy sacrifices and great suffering for the sake of their unshakable attachment to the cause of the Entente...." Nubar had earlier written to the Foreign Minister on October 29, 1918, that Armenians had earned their independence: "We have fought for it. We have poured out our blood for it without stint. Our people played a gallant part in the armies that won the victory."

When their quest for statehood shipwrecked on the Treaty of Lausanne and annexation by the Soviet Union in 1921, Armenians revised their soundtrack to endorse a contrived genocide thesis. It seeks a "pound of flesh" from the Republic of Turkey in the form of recognition, reparations, and boundary changes. To make their case more convincing, Armenians hiked the number of deaths. They also altered their story line from having died as belligerents against the Turks to having perished like unarmed helpless lambs.

Vahan Vardapet, an Armenian cleric, estimated a prewar Ottoman Armenian population of 1.26 million. At the Peace Conference, Armenian leader Nubar stated that 280,000 remained in the Empire and 700,000 had emigrated elsewhere. Accepting those Armenian figures, the number of dead would be 280,000. George Montgomery of the Armenia-American Society estimated a prewar Armenian population of 1.4-1.6 million, and a casualty figure of 500,000 or less. Armenian Van Cardashian, in testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1919, placed the number of Armenian dead at 750,000, i.e., a prewar population of 1.5 million and a post-war figure of 750,000.

After statehood was lost, Armenians turned to their genocide playbook which exploited Christian bigotries and contempt for Ottoman Muslims. They remembered earlier successful anti-Ottoman propaganda. United States Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire during the war, Henry Morganthau, was openly racist and devoted to propaganda. On November 26, 1917, Morgenthau confessed in a letter to President Wilson that he intended to write a book vilifying Turks and Germans to, "win a victory for the war policy of the government." In his biography, "Ambassador Morgenthau's Story," Morgenthau betrays his racist hatred toward Turks ("humanity and civilization never for a moment enters their mind") and unconditional admiration for Armenians ("They are so superior to the Turks intellectually and morally.").

British Prime Minister Gladstone's histrionic figure of 60,000 Bulgarian Christians slaughtered in 1876 captured the imagination of the west. The true figure later provided by a British Ambassador was 3,500--including Turks who were first slain by the Christians.

From 280,000-750,000, Armenians initially raised their death count to 800,000 to test the credibility waters. It passed muster with uninformed politicians easily influenced by campaign contributions and voting clout. Armenians then jumped the number to 1.5 million, and then 1.8 million by Armenian historian Kevork Aslan. For the last decades, an Armenian majority seems to have settled on the 1.5 million death plateau--which still exceeds their contemporary estimates by 200 to 500 percent. They are now testing the waters at 2.5-3 million killed as their chances for a congressional genocide resolution recede. It speaks volumes that champions of the inflated death figures have no explanation for why Armenians on the scene would have erred. Think of the absurdity of discarding the current death count of Afghan civilians in the United States-Afghan war in favor of a number deduced in the year 2109!

Armenians have a genuine tale of woe. It largely overlaps with the tale of tragedy and suffering that can be told by Ottoman Muslims during the war years: 2.4 million deaths in Anatolia, ethnic cleansing, starvation, malnutrition, untreated epidemics, and traumatic privations of war under a decrepit and collapsing Empire.

Unskewed historical truth is the antechamber of Turkish-Armenian reconciliation. That is why the Government of Turkey has proposed an international commission of impartial and independent experts with access to all relevant archives to determine the number and characterization of World War I deaths. Armenians are balking because they are skeptical of their own figures and accusations.

*Bruce Fein is a resident scholar at the Turkish Coalition of America.

On April 24, 2009--Armenian Remembrance Day-- President Barack Obama issued a statement "remember[ing] the 1.5 million Armenian [deaths] in the final days of the Ottoman Empire." The President stumbl...
On April 24, 2009--Armenian Remembrance Day-- President Barack Obama issued a statement "remember[ing] the 1.5 million Armenian [deaths] in the final days of the Ottoman Empire." The President stumbl...
 
 
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09:22 AM on 07/02/2009
On one occasion President Kocharian stated that since today’s Armenia does not have the clout to advance such demands, doing so should be left to future generations at a time when conditions would hopefully be better suited to this end'. A poll taken in Armenia revealed that almost all youngsters in the Republic of Armenia wished to follow up with land claims from Turkey and 90% of them said Turkey must unequivocally accept genocide allegations (Milliyet - April 11, 2006).The world should not forget that Germany's claim on Zudetland and Gdansk just because they were its historical lands caused burst of World War II! History is full of wars which broke up because of claims of states on their historical lands. Yet, there are obvious evidences showing that the Armenians did not constitute the majority of the population in neither of the Ottoman provinces which the Armenians call Western Armenia and the Muslim population was 3 to 8 times more than that of the Armenian's (Ottoman Population Statistics 1890 and 1914). If an item like the aforementioned Armenian item were present in the lawbook of Mexico claiming that Texas, Arizonna, New Mexico and California which were historical lands of Mexico, belonged to Mexico but invaded, would the American tolerate it?
Therefore the world should not overlook Armenia’s aggressivity, which is hidden behind their role of victim and should think about the price of their support to the Armenians very well.
09:21 AM on 07/02/2009
Even the marches they sing are about this condition. The Armenians who write in such blogs that the Eastern Anatolia cities do not belong to Turkey, as if the present Eastern boundaries of Turkey was not determined by treaties of Gumru (1920), Moscow (1921) and the whole boundaries by Lausanne (1923) Treaties; after the Turkish Freedom War. Armen Aivazyan, Director of Ararat Center of Strategic Studies, told a news conference that Armenia must never renounce its territorial claims to Turkey http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=28877 Additionally Armenia refused Turkey’s recurrent offers to commit an agreement declaring that each country recognizes the other country’s land integrity, in 1992 and later. Why do the Armenians force Turkey to accept a genocide? The answer is hidden in a speech of the chief of Dashnak Party Hrant Markaryan who told that their efforts for the recognition of Armenian (so-called) genocide was not an isolated purpose but it was a part of the struggle for rescue of the West Armenia (Armenian Forum Vol2 No 4; Armenian Weekly On-line, 18 June, 4 July 2003). The Armenian then prime minister Andranik Markaryan told that the internationally recognition of (so called) Armenian genocide and demanding land from Ankara as 'compensation' was possible only after Armenia had strengthened and the Armenians should not have told that they demanded land from Ankara loudly and everywhere (Arminfo 26 May 2004).
09:20 AM on 07/02/2009
Let us reevaluate why the Armenians urge politicians and school boards to use the word 'genocide’, while vehemently rejecting to present their thesis in scholar and judicial platforms, from a different perspective: Armenia’s attitude towards Turkey’s land integrity: Article 13 (second paragraph) of Armenian constitution declares the ‘Ağrı Mountain’ in the Eastern Anatolia of Turkey, as the state symbol of Armenia . Article 11 of the Armenian Declaration of Independence of August 23, 1990; refers to Eastern Anatolia of Turkey as Western Armenia and as such beholds that this area is part of Armenia. Since the Armenian constitution recognizes as a basis “the fundamental principles of the Armenian statehood and national aspirations engraved in the Declaration of Independence of Armenia”, it likewise accepts the characterization of Eastern Anatolia as Western Armenia and this, albeit indirectly, translates into the advancement of territorial claims. The Armenian politicians and school books call Eastern Anatolia of Turkey, ‘invaded mother land of Armenia’ and in Armenia the school children are being grown up being conditioned to be patriots to rescue their invaded land.
03:14 PM on 06/13/2009
Armenian Propagandists have ever had a Penchant for "discovering" some "Smoking Gun" which "Proves" genocidal intent on the part of the 1915 Turkish government. This "little black book" mentioned by "Seto" is not the first such example. Before this it was the "Memoirs of Naim Bey" and the "Secret Taalat Pasha Telegrams". "Seto" should be advised that the facts of the great events of history are never decided by a single "smoking gun". Rather, all evidence is examined by qualified, competent, impartial historians ( not self-proclaimed "Genocide Scholars" ) who are trained to identify and reject deceitful propaganda and give equal and due consideration to all known, proven facts.

As mentioned in my previous post, Armenian Propagandists have a history of slandering and libeling their ideological opponents instead of focusing on the facts. True to form, the posts by "Seto" invoke the full vocabulary of Armenian Propagandist invective against anyone who challenges them, calling Mr Fein "a servant of Turkish Denial" ..."Gainfully employed to support and propagate Turkish denial policy". The demonization of their ideological opponents is -unfortunately- a conspicuous hallmark of their entire approach.

Finally, it is blatantly false and nonsensical to argue that the 1948 Genocide Convention can be applied retroactively to the 1915 events.
12:42 PM on 06/06/2009
Armenian Propagandists have come a long way here in America through the judicious use of Slander and Libel. Under normal circumstances the otherwise high standards of Academic Rigor and Integrity preclude a disputant from slandering or libeling his ideological opponent, demanding instead that both sides address themselves to the subject under discussion. But Armenian Propagandists - under the guise of humanitarians - have encountered amazing success by branding their ideological opponents "Genocide Deniers" or "Paid by the Turkish Government" while avoiding the clear, incontrovertible, historical and demographic facts. They have launched all forms of attacks against the reputation of any historian who challenges their characterization of "Genocide" for the 1915 events. The scores of reputable, Authoritative Western Historians who reject the "genocide" label for the 1915 events are not "Deniers". They point to the abundance of Primary Historical sources like those mentioned in Mr. Fein's article, which clearly demonstrate an armed Armenian Revolutionary movement, torture and murder of non-combatant Turkish civilians (by these Armenian Revolutionaries), trails of Ottoman officials for failure to protect the relocated Armenian civilians, etc. ...and a host of other factors which clearly demonstrate that the label of "genocide" is nothing short of an intolerable, ill-spirited, hateful and malicious insult against the Turkish people.
01:35 PM on 06/11/2009
1. Bruce Fein: resident scholar at the Turkish Coalition of America. The title tells it all. He is gainfully employed to support and propagate Turkish denial policy of the Armenian Genocide. For a lawyer and a former U.S. associate deputy attorney general serving under Ronald Reagan from 1981 to 1982, one expects him to confine within certain restrictions of ethical conduct and integrity.

Unfortunately, we may be asking too much of Mr. Fein. His acts and conduct seem to be determined only by his employment, irrespective of logic, rational, principles and truthfulness. Two years ago, he was campaigning for the terrorist Tamil movement against the government of Sri Lanka in return for lucrative pecuniary handouts from the Sri Lankans of Tamil origin residing in the United States and Canada. In 2008, within the span of six months, one after the other he consecutively served at least three Tamil associations carrying on fundraisers in the U.S. and Canada. With the third association, he engaged in a massive fundraiser in Canada. After collecting the “loot”, he disappeared for three months.
01:36 PM on 06/11/2009
3. Mr. Fein’s article squarely falls within this paradigm. To justify the purpose of his posted article, he paraphrases Mark Twain by noting that “there are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and the number of Armenians who are claimed by Armenians and their echo chambers to have died in an alleged World War I genocide.” However, upon perusal of this article, it becomes revealing that the remarks of our great humorist were tailor made for Mr. Fein. If Mark Twain were alive today, he would have looked upon Mr. Fein’s egregious conduct and said, “There are three kinds of liars: liars, damn liars, and Mr. Fein.”

The opening paragraph of the article is very symptomatic of Mr. Fein’s habitual contempt for accuracy and truth. He deliberately distorts President Barack Obama’s annual April 24 Presidential Statement commemorating the Armenian victims of the Ottoman Turkish massacres. Twisting the President’s words, Mr. Fein acts disrespectfully and in bad faith, because the President stated, “Ninety four years ago, one of the great atrocities of the 20th century began. Each year, we pause to remember the 1.5 million Armenians who were subsequently massacred or marched to their death in the final days of the Ottoman Empire.”
12:44 PM on 06/05/2009
Bernard Lewis' statement continued:

"There was guerilla warfare all over Anatolia. And it is what we nowadays call the National Movement of Armenians Against Turkey. The Turks certainly resorted to very ferocious methods in repelling it. There is clear evidence of a decision by the Turkish Government, to deport the Armenian population from the sensitive areas. Which meant naturally the whole of Anatolia. Not including the Arab provinces which were then still part of the Ottoman Empire. There is no evidence of a decision to massacre. On the contrary, there is considerable evidence of attempt to prevent it, which were not very successful. Yes there were tremendous massacres, the numbers are very uncertain but a million nay may well be likely. The massacres were carried out by irregulars, by local villagers responding to what had been done to them and in number of other ways. But to make this, a parallel with the holocaust in Germany, you would have to assume the Jews of Germany had been engaged in an armed rebellion against the German state, collaborating with the allies against Germany. That in the deportation order the cities of Hamburg and Berlin were exempted, persons in the employment of state were exempted, and the deportation only applied to the Jews of Germany proper, so that when they got to Poland they were welcomed and sheltered by the Polish Jews. This seems to me a rather absurd parallel."
12:39 PM on 06/05/2009
Professor Bernard Lewis' of Princeton University's summary rebuttal below is the shortest summary by a historian about why the Armenian pushed "genocide narrative" is far from uncontroversial.
(His video statement is also available on You Tube)

"What happened to the Armenians was the result of a massive Armenian armed rebellion against the Turks, which began even before war broke out, and continued on a larger scale. Great numbers of Armenians, including members of the armed forces, deserted, crossed the frontier and joined the Russian forces invading Turkey. Armenian rebels actually seized the city of Van and held it for a while intending to hand it over to the invaders (to be cont. in next post)
10:13 AM on 06/05/2009
Wow hard to believe that a Country Plagued by honor killings, is notorious for torturing prisoners, desecrates churches and had a suicide bombing of a synagogue would commit genocide, I mean what a modern country!!!
Funny how Anatolia what is now known as Turkey had a substantial Christian Assyrian, Armenian and Greek presence, Is now 99 percent Muslim, I guess it just magically happened just like it's magically happening in Iraq, Lebanon, Palestinian Territories and Sudan, Oh No! how politically incorrect of me to point that out, to also mention Darfur (muslims who think they're arabs killing black muslims would be complete bigotry.
09:54 AM on 06/05/2009
Yeah sure I mean in a country that is plagued with honor killings, killing of converts to other religions, bombing of synagogues (in Istanbul in 2003), desecrating historic churches and is notorious for torture, would never commit genocide.
Funny how Anatolia what is now known as Turkey had a substantial Christian Assyrian, Greek, and Armenian population and today has a population that's 99 percent Muslim, I guess it just magically happened just like it's magically happening in Iraq's, Lebanon's Palestinian, and Sudan's populations, Oh yeah forgot Muslims never do anything wrong, To mention also Darfur (in that case muslims who think they're Arab killing Muslims who are black) in Sudan would be just complete bigotry.
WOW! The religion of peace suffers so much injustice from people actually judging their actions
06:14 AM on 06/05/2009
The problem with the figures cited by both sides is that they do not account for population inflation. The only way to give an honest, quantitative measurement to this (or any) genocide is to adjust the numbers to today's geographical populations. By this reasoning, the Armenian Genocide is in reality 10.6 to 14.8 millions of victims. This methodology results in vastly more significant- and realistic- proportions than outdated measurements of 1.5 to 1.8 million people slain.

Kapishe?
01:04 AM on 06/05/2009
Mr. Fein didn't have to rely on any Turkish sources (which are always dismissed, by Armenians, as lies) to refute once again the claims of genocide of millions of Armenians. WWI was deadly for all parties. Moslem Turks did kill Armenians but a large number of Moslem Turks have also died in the hands of Russians supported by over 200,000 Armenians fighters (this is also from Armenian sources), Armenians and famine, disease and non-existent healthcare. Of course, how are going to move forward in Armenian-Turkish relations is the main issue. That movement can't happen if the both groups are not willing to take something less than 100%. The hate has to stop, blaming has to stop, cool minds and warm hearts need to come forward to put a bandage on this wound. Bruce Fein is facing the issue head-on. One Californian Assemblymember recently called him genocide-denier. A usual tactic of those who only want to hear one side of the story. I applaud him for standing up his ground.
08:50 PM on 06/04/2009
This Turkish historian whose bread and butter come from Turkish lobbying groups has an opinion wherein lies a greater truth. Countless Armenians died and WWI is being used as a smoke screen. Hitler's regime was not effective in using WWII as a smoke screen. This was not an act of war. It was genocide. This is a poor attempt to conceal the truth or to simply negate it. Mr. Stein's use of numbers to discredit the claim of genocide is irrelevant because the definition of genocide does not give any regard to a target number of deaths before an event is considered a genocide. This was a genocide because it was carried out against a specific race of people. He may go on and on arguing numbers, but ultimately the "why" is not being answeredhere. Why were these Armenians being killed? For all the math he puts forward, he forgets the other side of the equal sign. Balance the equation please.
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08:06 PM on 06/04/2009
Woodrow Wilson talked about self-determination but didn't mean it. He intervened in Latin America more times than any other US president and undermined civil rights in the US. He waged war on Soviet Russia and ignored Ho Chi Minh when the latter appealed to him at the Versailles peace negotiations.

I can't understand why Ataturk never did anything to make up for the Armenian Genocide.