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Getting from A to Z: Why Animal Activists Should Support Incremental Reforms to Help Animals

Posted: 02/21/11 10:28 AM ET

At PETA, we unabashedly labor for animals to be treated with basic respect, which demands (at the very least) that we not eat them, wear them, torment them in laboratories, and beat them into submission so they can perform unnatural acts for the purpose of "entertainment." Basically, we work to extend "the golden rule" beyond just the human species.

It won't surprise most readers to learn that we also believe that as long as animals are being eaten, worn, experimented on, and used for entertainment, that it's our responsibility help improve these unfortunate animals' lives and deaths. And when positive steps are taken toward that end, we support them.

But some animal rights activists, who call themselves "abolitionists," argue that we shouldn't work to improve conditions for animals. They argue that anti-slavery abolitionists did not work for "no raping of slaves," but rather supported complete abolition, so we too should only work for a complete end of animals being abused for human purposes. One "abolitionist" recently offered a commentary on slavery by philosopher Slavoj Zizek to support this idea: "Remedies do not cure the disease, they merely prolong it. Indeed, the remedies are part of the disease. ... The worst slave owners were those who were kind to their slaves, and so prevented the core of the system being realized by those who suffered from it."

And as another "abolitionist" recently put it to me more bluntly: "If PETA believes that 'animals are not ours to eat, wear, experiment on, or use for entertainment,' then how can the organization support certain methods of killing rodents and chickens? It's really that simple!"

But is it? I wish the argument were so black and white. In fact, I'm convinced that welfare reforms deserve our support, both because they are better (or at least much less bad) for the animals involved (the Golden Rule), and because they push the envelope, moving us closer to the compassionate world that all animal rights activists are working toward.

The Golden Rule: Considering the Animals' Point of View
Social justice advocates working for others' rights (as opposed to their own rights) must put themselves in the shoes of those on whose behalf they're working. And when we put ourselves in the animals' place, it is easy to see the importance of welfare reforms: If you were destined to be killed, wouldn't you still have a strong preference to spend your life in a large barn, rather than a tiny wire cage where you couldn't spread one wing for your entire life? Given the choice to have your throat slit open while you were completely conscious, or to be put to sleep first, wouldn't you strongly prefer the latter option? None of us would say, "well, I'm just going to die anyway. Please only fight for my complete release!" And of course, if these were human beings, not one of us would say -- let them suffer; we want complete liberation!

Considering animals' interests is the crux of the animal rights philosophy. But in addition to considering them in philosophical terms by asking what the ideal world looks like (no animals abused or slaughtered), we have a responsibility to also consider their interests in more practical terms. The result of ignoring this responsibility out of a sense of duty to a broader philosophy leads to apathy about animal suffering, which is the opposite of what the animal rights movement should be about. Princeton bioethicist Peter Singer and I wrote about this idea in more detail for Satya Magazine some years back.

Welfare Reforms Bring Us Closer to Animal Liberation
But it's not just that basic respect for animals demands that we support improvements in animals' living and dying conditions: Such reforms also move us toward animal liberation, the ostensible goal of the "abolitionists." Think about the countries with the best animal welfare laws -- they also have the most animal rights activists. And the countries with the least -- they have none.

This makes sense in two ways. First, as people decide that they care about farmed animals, the consistency principle kicks in. If your society doesn't grant animals any respect at all, how are you going to change that society into a vegan one -- people don't care enough about animals to ensure that they can spread their wings; how can they care about eating them? But once society says, "yes, chickens have interests that matter enough to codify them in law," it should be only a matter of time before society also realizes that eating them at all is unjustifiable. That's the consistency principle at work.

Second, meat-eating continues in part because people are divorced from meat as living, breathing animals. On Oprah recently, Michael Pollan commented on the how Oprah's audience cringed to have to watch farmed animals at all, and he pointed out 1) that the scene that upset them was far from the worst they were supporting as meat eaters; and 2) that if they couldn't watch animals being slaughtered, they shouldn't eat meat. Basically, anything that draws attention to the fact that meat is animal corpses, and that these animals have interests, will be good for the animal rights movement.

Recent science backs up these intuitive observations, including a Kansas State study which found that media attention on animal issues in the U.S. has had "significant, negative effects" on meat demand. Vegetarian author and researcher Norm Phelps elaborated on this point in an article for the European Vegetarian and Animal News Alliance:

The Slave Analogy: Why Welfare Reformers are Abolitionists
Of course advocating for better conditions and for the end of an abusive system altogether are not mutually exclusive. In the case of slavery, it was reasonable to argue, "While we ought to abolish slavery altogether, until that happens, we shouldn't allow slave-owners to whip and rape slaves." Any abolitionist who seriously suggested at the time that "the worst slave owners were those who were kind to their slaves" would have been laughed at (derisively).

Abolitionists (of course) supported education for slaves, better treatment for slaves, and so on -- both because if they were themselves enslaved, they would want those reforms, and because they knew that reform leads to abolition. In The Autobiography of Frederick Douglass, Douglass states explicitly that his most benign slaveholders were responsible for his eventual freedom. If he had only been subjected to the worst slaveholders, he would never have been free, we would have no Autobiography of Frederick Douglass, and abolition would have been delayed.

A recent letter in the Nation magazine, discussing the anti-slavery movement, makes the point that welfare reforms led to abolition (assuming you credit Lincoln with accelerating abolition): "Although immediate abolition was out of the question, they sought out every smaller fight they could find... If a true abolitionist is unelectable, can we at least elect Lincoln, who is a moderate on abolition but is with us at heart?"

It is worth noting that the take-home message for the meat and egg industries is this: Stop handing the animal rights movement such easy wins. The general public does not support cramming chickens and pigs into cages so small that they can do nothing that is natural to them (as is standard for hens and mother pigs today). They don't support slicing the throats of fully conscious chickens and turkeys, as is standard today. When you force us to fight these battles, we win them -- and the public thinks more about the fact that meat is the tortured corpses of animals.

Conclusion
Imagine if the people of Tunisia and Egypt had been denied the tools of modern technology; they would not have had revolution. This small right led to bigger rights. Imagine a political prisoner in solitary confinement who is being beaten every day; do we want that person released? Of course we do, but even if the government won't release her, we also want the beatings to stop; we want her released from solitary. We want welfare reforms for her, and we want freedom. We should, in our fight for animals, apply the Golden Rule: If we were abused animals, what would we want?

Opposing welfare reforms is both speciesist and counterproductive. It's speciesist because it ignores the reality that billions of animals are suffering beyond our worst imagination today, and even goes as far as to suggest that such suffering may somehow help animals in the long term. And it is counterproductive because fighting for welfare reforms helps to reach animal liberation. Saying "all or nothing" might make us feel pure, but it hurts animals.

On the other hand, working toward welfare reforms has the immediate benefit of helping improve animals' lives today and acts as a crucial stepping stone toward animal liberation.

Sir Paul McCartney endorses both vegetarianism and reform of the animal abuse industries. See why:

Am amusing video critique of the "abolitionists" (warning: foul language):

Additional Reading:
A New World, Piece by Piece, from Vegan Outreach:

Welfare and Liberation, by Matt Ball

The Longest Journey Begins With a Single Step: Promoting Animal Rights by Promoting Reform, by Peter Singer and me

Science Weighs In, by Norm Phelps (this lays out the history of this controversy, too)

One-Track Activism, by Norm Phelps

 
 
 

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At PETA, we unabashedly labor for animals to be treated with basic respect, which demands (at the very least) that we not eat them, wear them, torment them in laboratories, and beat them into submissi...
At PETA, we unabashedly labor for animals to be treated with basic respect, which demands (at the very least) that we not eat them, wear them, torment them in laboratories, and beat them into submissi...
 
 
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
07:16 AM on 03/02/2011
Very good piece about the history of human movements for liberation, by Prof. David Sztybel:
http://www.facebook.com/l/8415dLX4ecfQcMLM-WLdrjmYrvA/sztybel.tripod.com/increm.pdf

It's a bit wonkish, but for any animal rights activist who is interested in the welfare vs. liberation debate, it is essential reading.

Excerpt:
[Some argue] that incrementalist approaches to animal law are a “waste of time” and resources. But incrementalist legislation is what created the greatest anti-sexist and antiracist legislation for over two centuries in [the United States]...

Even a single act abolishing all racism, sexism, speciesism, etc. for the entire world would just be a final increment in a long history of measures of progress. Such a be-all-end-all act would not have the “magic” effect of erasing the other increments...

All legislation protecting the interests of sentient beings has historically been incremental, and even formal property status itself has usually been phased out incrementally. At a conceptual level, we could not even form a precise definition of what it would be fully to respect an interest, let alone determine precise increments out of that whole...

Each civil rights law was gradually addressing black interests, not all at once, and did not fully address any interests either, it would seem. But these laws might have been acceptable at the time because they were the best imperfections that could be managed..
04:06 PM on 02/26/2011
"We should, in our fight for animals, apply the Golden Rule: If we were abused animals, what would we want?"

If I were a slave and people were asking for me to have a few extra inches in my cage or to be "humanely" gassed I would be horrified and appalled. I would think, "How can you do this to me? I don't want a bigger cage or a different way to be murdered, I want freedom! I am a person, not a thing!"
The Golden Rule is a big reason I am abolitionist. I would not want to be betrayed like that, so I will not do the same to non-human slaves. I will not compromise.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
09:12 PM on 02/26/2011
If you misrepresent the debate by talking about something paltry, it's very easy to win the argument. In fact, as just one example of a key welfare campaign: Right now, chickens are dumped from crates from 3-4 feet high. Then they’re slammed into metal shackles by their often-broken legs.

Then they’re electrically shocked with a charge that immobilizes them but doesn’t render them insensitive to pain. Then their throats are sliced—all while they’re still conscious. Millions every year are flapping around and miss the electricity, so they have their chest cavities sliced open, or a leg or wing sliced off, and then they’re boiled alive, again, while fully conscious. And every time PETA investigates, we find hideous and sadistic intentional abuse of chickens—blowing them up with homemade pipe bombs, ripping them limb from limb, piling them up and jumping up and down on them, and so on. The suffering of birds at slaughter is beyond anything any of us can possibly imagine. You can watch it at www.Meat.org.

There is a new slaughter method that would eliminate human contact with animals at slaughter and would eliminate all of those abuses, for 10 billion animals/year in the U.S. Every activist of whom I’m aware who has ever worked undercover in a slaughterhouse thinks it would be the most important step toward lessening animal suffering ever.

For 10 billions animals/year, reforms are critically important, and opposing reform is heartless and speciesist.

Bruce
10:37 PM on 02/26/2011
How is opposing "new and improved" slavery speciesist when I would also oppose it for human slavery? The most important step is veganism. How much can an animal who is never bred into slavery be suffering?
Heartless? Really? Now why could I possibly be taking time out of my life to speak up for the rights of animals, and refusing to take part in animal exploitation in my life, if I couldn't care less about animals?
I'm heartless because I won't promote slavery and killing of any kind? Do you really believe this?
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03:38 AM on 02/27/2011
Interesting.
Trouble in abolitionist paradise, I see?

For what it's worth, I'm glad you're taking a welfare approach to this. But I take it with a grain of salt. I know the end goal is the elimination of animals in agriculture.
10:39 AM on 02/26/2011
Extremists get people to notice so when they are faced with approving an incremental step, they are more likely to do so. When most people are faced with an extreme and then called to take extreme action, they are more likely to turn away from the whole thing.

Human slavery is still a booming industry today. If we want to understand the complications of the movement to free slaves, we may want to consider why we still have human slaves today and why we have such a difficult time facing that fact.

Consider the women's rights movement. Women have attained the rights to own land, to vote, to divorce, to have custody of our own children. We have overcome viewpoints that we were of lesser intelligence and slaves to our hormones. We are still working on equal pay and to raise what is viewed as "women's work" and thus lesser valued, to be valued just as much as "men's work." Why are teachers, nurses, librarians paid less then principles, doctors, lawyers? All are required to have the same level of education and skill for their jobs. Would anyone say, "women's work" is not as valued as "men's" so please stop paying women better wages, stop allowing them to get divorced, stop letting them vote?

If we really want to achieve rights for animals, we need to take a closer look at why achieving rights for humans continues to be a struggle.
10:13 PM on 02/23/2011
Since not all abolitionists follow the same approach or embrace the same strategies, I feel this essay would have benefited from exploring - or at least acknowledging - the differences within the abolitionist community.

In my view, one is an abolitionist if one seeks to eradicate the enslavement, killing and use of non-human animals for human benefit. Abolitionists from different philosophical or academic "camps" may disagree on which tactics and strategies will best enable us to reach that goal, but we share the same end goal nevertheless. We are a varied community, and I feel this otherwise insightful article should have addressed that.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
08:49 PM on 02/24/2011
Thanks for your comment. Yes, I totally agree. In fact, one of my key points with the article is to say that many of us who work for welfare reform are also abolitionists. That's part of the reason I put "abolitionist" in quotes. Good point, though. Thanks for your post!
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Bea Elliott
05:52 PM on 02/23/2011
I have never "campaigned" or petitioned for larger cages, or gas-killing for chickens, or anything that would qualify as a "welfare" reform. However, with the passage of such, as the recent "downer" laws for cows AND calves- I have a momentary sigh of relief, because I realize there is that much "less" suffering. It is the difference now between a sick cow being immediately put out of misery as opposed to languishing for untold hours. Does this make people more likely to eat animals? Doubtful. There are no "laws" to stop pigs or sheep from being prodded, shoved and forced to their death - People obviously don't care either way about them either. But I think the pig or lamb who is suffering does. I would be happy to see that their misery was "regulated" to something less barbaric. Even if any of us saw a dog/cat in the street run over by a car - We'd offer them the quickest death mercy could make possible... Why not the "food animals?"

Finally, the "humane" slaughter act. I've read and seen crude instruments that were used prior to the "modern" killing machines. As brutal as the system is now - de Sade couldn't have devised more torturous weapons than what was used prior. I believe animal use AND suffering matter- I think everyone fighting for what "their solutions" are bring about awareness. We can each build where the other "left off". I think in this fight - Everyone matters.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
06:46 PM on 02/23/2011
Thanks. I think you said this well, and that your examples are good. We've been able to stop an awful lot of hideous abuse because of the Humane Slaughter Act. I have seen animal rights activists disparage it using the same arguments they use to disparage other welfare reforms (it's in the industry's interest; it makes people feel okay about eating meat; etc.), but in terms of alleviating suffering, it's been very useful (obviously it's far from perfect; getting birds included would be a huge positive step that would alleviate tremendous suffering--another welfare reform worthy of support by anyone who believes in animal rights, I think).
04:47 PM on 02/23/2011
If you care about animals, why are you using an opportunity to promote veganism to bash those who consistently advocate for veganism as a moral baseline? What a waste.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
07:46 PM on 02/23/2011
Thanks for your message.

To be clear: I am not bashing people who advocate for veganism as a moral baseline; I advocate veganism as a moral baseline, as does PETA (see the opening of the piece). For example:
* www.GoVeg.com
* http://www.peta.org/issues/Animals-Used-For-Food/default.aspx
* www.meat.org
* http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-friedrich/resolved-eating-animals-i_b_671322.html

I'm simply suggesting that people who care about animals should also support welfare reforms, and I'm doing this because--as you can see by reading the comments--it's a point of much contention. There are people who actually argue (you can see it on here repeatedly, including just one comment down) vigorously that welfare reforms harm animals. I think it's important to have a thread that allows both sides to make their most coherent case.

I think that the argument is worthy of discussion, and I've been impressed by the civility that has been brought to the matter by both sides.

Thanks for asking. I hope this my reply is clear.

Bruce
12:22 PM on 02/24/2011
I attended a talk where you scolded people for verifying that their veggie burgers are vegan and insisted that promoting ovo-lacto-vegetarianism is more important.

I wish I had time to deconstruct your slavery analogy and explain to you what's wrong with it, but I only have 24 hours in the day, and I need to spend whatever time I have organizing efforts to promote veganism. It's not fair to the animals for me to indulge in an attempt to convince someone who simply will not change his mind.
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Anjushri
Veganism = Ahimsa
10:00 AM on 02/25/2011
>>

Bruce, can you explain your understanding of veganism as a moral baseline?

You wrote: >>

Statements like "But some animal rights activists, who call themselves "abolitionists," argue that we shouldn't work to improve conditions for animals."
I would say that you are misrepresenting the abolitionist position and bashing abolitionists, particularly by posting that animation video and also putting "abolitionists" in quotes.
01:00 PM on 02/23/2011
As a vigorous advocate of welfare reforms for farmed animals for nearly 20 years (1978 to early 1990s), I can certainly understand Bruce's confusion about the elusive distinction between the abolition and welfare reforms paths to animal liberation. Let me try to dispel this confusion for others:

* Most abolitionists are deeply concerned about and highly motivated by animal suffering. We believe that welfare reforms should be initiated by animal exploiters to win over customers with a conscience. However, when animal rights advocates initiate such reforms, they confuse the public about the critical importance of ending the use of animals for food. In the end, our advocacy of welfare reforms causes more - not less animal suffering.

* Public reaction is very clear on this. 97% of consumers oppose mistreatment of farm animals. 98% continue to eat them. Welfare reforms represent a win-win solution for the meat industry and consumers. Only the animals lose.

* Most abolitionists do not advocate "all or nothing." We advocate incremental steps, provided that they lead clearly to the eventual goal of animal liberation, rather than continued, if less atrocious, repression.

* The slavery analogy is a false one. Improving the treatment of slaves leads inexorably to their liberation, so there is no conflict of interest. Welfare reforms for farmed animals lead to their continued imprisonment and slaughter, creating a huge conflict of interest. Requirement that the victims die poses the critical distinction. This is why opponents of death penalty or abortion, would never call
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
06:55 PM on 02/23/2011
Thanks for your post. Replies in order:

* I certainly wish that welfare reforms would be initiated by animal exploiters but has that ever happened? They fight every reform. Regardless of who initiates reforms, if they alleviate suffering, animal rights activists should support them, for the reasons enumerated above.

* I don't think the public is confused. For most of the public, these issues don't figure. As noted, these campaigns raise them for people, often for the first time. More reform appears to lead to more liberation. But even if it didn't, we can't find ourselves in a position where we oppose welfare reform because it makes our argument stronger (at least we can't do that if we're serious about opposing cruelty to animals).

* Can you elaborate on this: "Welfare reforms represent a win-win solution for the meat industry and consumers. Only the animals lose." How do the animals lose when they are no longer crammed into cages or no longer slaughtered while fully conscious or no longer starved for two weeks to shock their bodies into another laying cycle?

* What sorts of incremental steps do you support? Which ones do you oppose? Do you support campaigns to end downer cow slaughter? How about campaigns to ban battery cages? If so, why? If not, why not? Thanks!

Bruce
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03:07 AM on 02/27/2011
Wow, how can anyone who purports to care about animal suffering not support the welfare reforms you described? Abolitionists feel it is preferable to sacrifice the animals that are currently suffering for the good of future animals that will never be born? In other words, the ideology is more important than any real life animal suffering. But what has led them to the belief that opposing welfare reforms will somehow hasten total animal liberation? What am I missing here, Bruce?
09:20 AM on 02/23/2011
Should advocates support laws and actions that result in nonhuman animals being treated better? Involvement in the regulation of atrocities is very messy. However, maybe we can identify reforms that we all feel are “good." Whether they remain “good” is another matter: things change, including definitions, and monitoring is difficult and expensive.

Expressing "support" is one thing but why should rights advocates take part in welfarism? Most rights advocates I meet agree that there are more ethical vegans “out there,” and that there is nothing more important than for there to be an increase in ethical vegans.

Given this, rights advocates need to have good reason to stop doing what is the best thing in order do something else less worthwhile. Unless we subscribe to the poverty of ambition expressed in some of the comments here, rights advocates should concentrate on what's best. There are more welfarists than rightists and, quite simply, welfarists do welfare. Let them get on with it and rightists can concentrate on what they regard as most important.

The interesting question, I think, which reflects a view that seems to be common within the animal movement, is whether one can be doing vegan animal rights advocacy while doing something else. Ultimately this seems to be a claims-making issue and it does seem implausible to me, meaning, as a sociologist, that I’m interested in how and why this opinion seems so prevalent in the “animal rights movement.”
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
06:58 PM on 02/23/2011
I like this post a lot, Roger. I especially love the phrase "poverty of ambition."

I agree especially with this: "There are more welfarists than rightists and, quite simply, welfarists do welfare. Let them get on with it and rightists can concentrat­e on what they regard as most important."

This makes the point that for the most part, welfare campaigns are not taking resources from rights campaigns. No one on the pro-welfare side thinks that rights activists should change what they're doing; the suggestion is with rightinsts who think that attacking welfare reforms as counterproductive is a great use of their time.

Thanks for your comment.

Bruce
09:08 AM on 02/23/2011
Wow!!! Great stuff, Bruce! Thanks so much for this article. Wonderful to see these important issues being discussed at The Huffington Post.
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03:27 AM on 02/23/2011
The absolutists among you will never win. There is no way that western societies, especially Americans, will give up meat and dairy by large measure. Those who think otherwise are deluding themselves. I say this as a non-fundamentalist vegan. I chose it for health and only later adopted some of the philosophical tenets behind it. I think promoting veganism by promoting the health angle is the best way to get converts - which saves animals, alleviates suffering and makes for a healthier society and planet.

When you call omnivores murderers, you do nothing for the animals and only confirm the worst fears of omnivores towards vegans.
09:14 AM on 02/23/2011
Who is calling omnivores murderers? what is a fundamentalist vegan (one that takes morals seriously and is consistent?)
Veganism is about justice not health.... its like saying "im a feminist because it makes my skin glow"... misses the point.
I think the health argument can be used, but the problem is a lot of people dont care about their health: just look at the health issues : obesity, smoking, fitness etc. The way you keep someone vegan is have them understand the ethics. Its easy to cheat a healthy diet if you only do it for heath reasons, but i couldnt imagine consuming animal products after having a serious moral issue with them.
12:22 AM on 02/23/2011
An excellent case for better treatment of livestock animals is George F. Will's article, "What We Owe What We Eat":

http://www.newsweek.com/2005/07/17/what-we-owe-what-we-eat.html
10:16 PM on 02/22/2011
I would like to learn of examples of this, Bruce:
"...fighting for welfare reforms helps to reach animal liberation."
Certain European countries e.g. Sweden have adopted husbandry changes for animals raised to be killed for food. Have animals been exploited less there - are they "liberated" - or are they still be raised to be killed to eat, just in ways that make it more palatable for people to continue consuming them?
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
06:51 AM on 02/23/2011
I am very familiar with the UK and the Netherlands, both of which are much more vegan friendly than the U.S. and have a much more advanced animal rights movement, proportional to their populations. They are also much (MUCH) further along on animal welfare than the U.S. It's my experience based on speaking with animal rights activists in Sweden that animal rights is further along there, but I don't know for sure. They certainly have better welfare laws. The reverse is also true: Countries with no animal welfare laws have no animal rights movement. This only makes sense, for the reasons I attempt to spell out in the article: Human psychology being what it is, it's hard for me to fathom a scenario in which someone goes from not caring about animals at all (i.e., not even caring if they're crammed in crates or cages) to recognizing their value enough to change behavior in a significant way (i.e., what one eats at every meal).

Of course it's worth remembering (I think) that this is all a side issue to the argument that if we really think animals are worthy of concern, then we have to consider their suffering in cages, crates, etc. That is, from an animal rights perspective, not causing animals to suffer is good on its face. People who care about animals have to support laws and actions that result in their being treated better.

Thanks!
11:16 PM on 02/23/2011
So, if I understand you correctly, you don't have any actual evidence that "...fighting for welfare reforms helps to reach animal liberation," but rather, this is your opinion. Why is it wrong for someone to have a differing opinion?
10:06 PM on 02/22/2011
'...When we put ourselves in the animals' place, it is easy to see the importance of welfare reforms: If you were destined to be killed, wouldn't you still have a strong preference to spend your life in a large barn, rather than a tiny wire cage where you couldn't spread one wing for your entire life? Given the choice to have your throat slit open while you were completely conscious, or to be put to sleep first, wouldn't you strongly prefer the latter option? None of us would say, "well, I'm just going to die anyway. Please only fight for my complete release!" And of course, if these were human beings, not one of us would say -- let them suffer; we want complete liberation!"

Utter poppycock, reading this article in the morning was outrageous.

We are indeed working to help *nonhuman animals*, and telling people "you're a good person if you buy animals killed this way!" does not do that.

"Social justice advocates working for others' rights (as opposed to their own rights) must put themselves in the shoes of those on whose behalf they're working. "

Thats not what my Chicken Friends want, would ask for if they spoke English, or deserve.

http://www.youtube.com/jaywontdart#p/u

Despite being without shoes, they are great friends, to each other, to me. Please, lets see them as our friends.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
06:58 AM on 02/23/2011
I totally agree that chickens and other animals are our friends. If my friend were being grotesquely abused in a cage or crate, I would work to change those conditions, even if I had no hope of freeing my friend. I would want the same were I in a cage or crate. I agree that we don't want to call eating meat good, but I also think we should not be duplicitous by suggesting that things like cages and crates are no big deal. Getting rid of cages and crates will be a huge step forward for animal rights, when it happens.

Thanks for weighing in!
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Anjushri
Veganism = Ahimsa
08:51 PM on 02/22/2011
I look at the list of Huff Po guest bloggers from various animal advocacy orgs and I note none promote veganism as a moral baseline. One guess as to why Huffington Post has resisted requests to have Professor Gary L Francione as a guest blogger. Seriously. It is only fair to allow this subject to be comprehensively discussed and allow an abolitionist point of view to be presented to the public.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
07:03 AM on 02/23/2011
My goal with this post was that it would be a place for both sides to engage and put their strongest argument forward. That said, I'm in favor of allowing Gary to post too.

I do, however, promote veganism as a moral baseline; I just also believe that one can peg some things as less bad. Is veganism the goal? Yes. Should everyone who cares about animals be vegan? Yep. But should we also support changes in welfare for farmed animals? I think so, for the reasons I note above.

PETA has been promoting veganism since our inception; it's in every issue of our member magazine, it's prominent on our home page, and we distribute more than 1 million copies of a vegan starter kit every year. Actually, Farm Sanctuary also promotes veganism as the moral baseline.
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habitual goddess worship
08:25 PM on 02/22/2011
Food politics are very polarizing, which is unfortunate because we aren't going to transition away from factory farming with an "all or nothing" mentality. you get much farther with people by showing them how many of their favorite foods can be modified to be meat or dairy free than telling them that they can never eat another slice of pepperoni pizza.

I'd like to see more focus on particular food items as well. Fake cheese tastes nothing like real cheese, it's a tough sell. On the other hand most people I've known who transition from milk to soymilk never look back.
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Anjushri
Veganism = Ahimsa
09:03 PM on 02/22/2011
We torture and murder 153 million other animals / day (not including those who live in water). This horror is done mostly for our palette pleasure. It is time for our species to wake from our speciesist delusion that we own all other animals and the planet. We need to realise we are animals as well. We are not a special species which has dominion over all. Other animals have an interest in their life and they do not want to die.

The human species is in overshoot and collapse and we are also addicted to violence. Veganism is the first step to a nonviolent life. If we truly believe in social justice, peace and nonviolence, then veganism is the cornerstone of nonviolence. Animal use is morally unjustifiable. It is violence and it must end. The way to end it is to become vegan and educate others to do so. http://www.veganpamphlet.com
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
07:05 AM on 02/23/2011
Maybe of interest:

Animal Liberation: The Social Justice Connection

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Philosophy/Morality/Animal%20Liberation--the%20Social%20Justice%20Connection.htm