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Yet Another Reason To Go Meatless On Earth Day -- And Every Other Day

Posted: 04/19/11 03:55 PM ET

Just in time for Earth Day, April 22, European scientists released a groundbreaking report linking meat consumption to nitrogen pollution. Nitrogen pollution? What on earth is nitrogen pollution?

Nitrogen is commonly used to fertilize crops. Between 70 and 80 percent of agricultural greenhouse gas emissions, including nitrous oxide, comes from the production and use of nitrogen fertilizers, which cause nitrogen pollution.

So there's one more form of pollution -- big deal, right? Sadly, this one is a very big deal. The Telegraph of London explains, "the ground-breaking European Nitrogen Assessment by more than 200 scientists from 21 countries concludes that nitrogen pollution poses an even greater threat to humankind than carbon."

Honestly, I didn't think anything other than nuclear meltdown posed more of a threat to humankind than carbon. But sure enough: "[Nitrogen] leaks into the surrounding environment rather than feeding plants. This causes algae slimes to grow in water and on trees, suffocating wildlife and disturbing delicate ecosystems." As if all that weren't bad enough, nitrous oxide is about 300 times more potent than carbon dioxide when it comes to causing climate change.

While this study focused on Europe, the results are even more relevant in the U.S., where farmers rely heavily on nitrogen-based fertilizers. According to Grist senior food and agriculture writer Tom Philpott, the U.S. burns more nitrogen fertilizer per capita than any other country.

The solution is simple really. Because more than half of the world's crops are grown to feed farmed animals -- and because animal manure contains nitrogen -- cutting down on our consumption of chickens, pigs, and other farmed animals will significantly reduce nitrogen pollution. Dr. Mark Sutton, a British scientist, says people can control the problem simply by eating less meat. He and the other scientists involved in the nitrogen assessment study have pledged to be "demitarians," or to eat half as much meat as they do now.

"It is about cutting down the amount from an environmental perspective," Dr. Sutton says. When you factor in climate change and the other environmental problems that I wrote about in my blog about taxing meat, you'll see why it's wise to go meatless on Mondays, on Earth Day, and on every other day of the year.

And when you look at things from the perspective of animals or your own health, as well as from an environmental one, you'll see that it only makes sense to stop eating meat, eggs, and dairy products entirely.

 
 
 

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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
06:23 PM on 05/02/2011
Re: the grass-fed beef discussion, I will be posting a full article on the topic, but briefly:

First, more than 95% of all meat in the U.S. comes from CAFOs, including more than 99 percent of pork, chicken, and eggs. The focus on this ideal that is largely hypothetical for most people is a distraction.

Second, grass-fed beef is not environmentally (much) better than CAFO beef. In fact, World Bank environmental economist Robert Goodland has found that grass fed beef actually produces three times the greenhouse gases of CAFO beef (which is already a massive producer of greenhouse gases).

As environmental scientist Hanna Tuomisto from the Zoology Department at the University of Oxford puts it, “Generally, the GHG emissions from grass-fed cattle are not lower compared to feedlot cattle. The methane emissions from grass-fed animals are higher than from feedlot animals. Also, the productivity of grass-fed animals is lower, and therefore, the environmental impacts are higher when the impacts are allocated per unit of product. From the land use point of view, the benefit of grass-fed animals is that they can use land that is not suitable for production of crops directly for human nutrition. However, without livestock production those areas could be converted to forests that sequester carbon.â€

In addition to the fact that meat consumption entails the consumption of animals’ corpses, which causes unnecessary suffering and death, it’s also anti-environmental, as discussed above.

Cheers,

Bruce
11:19 AM on 04/27/2011
Bruce was challenged to answer a very simple question: Since animals are absolutely essential to every major form of sustainable agriculture, which of the two alternatives does Bruce support; ending sustainable agriculture altogether and switching entirely to chemical based industrial agriculture, or replacing the entire world's agricultural systems with veganic gardening, which virtually any ag expert would consider insane?

This question is extremely important. If Bruce doesn't have an answer, he certainly should not be suggesting, as he has been, that we put an end to every major form of sustainable agriculture, which require animals.

Saying that if we all become vegans, vegan technology will magically find a currently unknown solution in the future, so we should just put n end to every major form of sustainable agriculture and trust in the power of veganism, which has been Bruce's previous argument, is not a legitimate argument by any stretch of the imagination.

If Bruce can't answer this question, he invalidates his entire agenda. Of course, whichever answer he gives, switching to all chemical industrial agriculture, or replacing the entire world's agricultural systems with veganic gardening, leaves him with no sturdy ground to stand on.

The UN's most recent report on agriculture found that biodiverse farming with animals is the only way to feed the poorest people in the world, because they cannot afford expensive chemical fertilizers and pesticides (let alone $9 veganic tomatoes!) and that it is the only way to effectively control pollution.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
06:24 PM on 05/02/2011
Thanks for your comments, but this is a straw man: We’re talking about what people should eat in the United States (and other areas that might be reading HuffPo). For all readers, adopting a vegetarian diet will be a move in the direction of better sustainability, far less waste, and far less pollution.

Of course, my (overt) primary agenda focuses on the immorality of abusing and killing animals unnecessarily; the environmental argument dovetails nicely, of course.

You attribute multiple arguments to me that I don’t believe I ever made.

Cheers,

Bruce
08:57 AM on 04/27/2011
I live in a county with between 500000 and 600000 acres of native prairie. We produce around 80000 head of cattle per year. It would take about 4000000 bushels of corn to feed those out, many places in the corn belt can now grow 200 bpa corn with ease. 20000 acres of corn allows a half million acres of grass to be used to produce beef. In addition to that, much of the supplemental feed for cattle is a by product of something else, cottonseed cake and soybean meal are both by products, and DDG(dried distillers grain) from ethanol plants is also being used.

When grass based(and all beef production is actually grass based), beef production is one of the most sustainable farming practices on the planet, you can eat beef with pride, knowing most of the calories are coming from feed people could not consume, grown on land that could grow nothing but grass.
01:27 PM on 04/27/2011
Well said grumpy.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
06:24 PM on 05/02/2011
Grump,

You know as well as anyone that: 1) all those cattle produce massive amounts of global warming gases; 2) very few of those cattle are raised exclusively on grass; and 3) the land could be used to grow plants that would act as a carbon sink. Sorry, my friend, but there is no one without a vested interest who agrees with you that cattle production is environmentally friendly!

Cheers,

Bruce
08:37 AM on 04/27/2011
I'd like for you to point out regions of the USA where grazing animals has led to widespread degradation of the land, and explain the difference between grazing bison and grazing livestock Bruce. I would also like for you to explain who would decide what land gets farmed and what land doesn't get farmed, since you believe we will not need to farm so much land in a vegan utopia. Along with that, in this vegan utopia that requires so little land be farmed, what will happen to the rural communities that have an entire economy based on farming?

I would also like to know your understanding of crop production, and which crops consumed by humans that do not require nitrogen to grow. I think your list will be very short. Given we will still be consuming foods that require nitrogen, but have no livestock operations for manure(also generally a good source of phosphorus) I guess you will be advocating for the increased use of commercial fertilizer?

Bruce, you like to quote one link or another, but do so with what appears to be no practical knowledge of either crop or livestock farming. Whether you are a vegan or an omnivore, you still have to eat, and doing that requires modern farming practices, unless we all go back to subsistence farming.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
06:25 PM on 05/02/2011
Grump,

I agree with you entirely that “Whether you are a vegan or an omnivore, you still have to eat, and doing that requires modern farming practices…†My point is: We don’t have to eat animals, and as you know, eating animals supports vastly more pollution (including global warming gases) than eating plants directly. It’s a pretty simple argument, and it requires rather a lot of obfuscation to miss it.

Cheers,

Bruce
10:05 AM on 04/23/2011
I've been vegan most of my life without a sense of deprivation or loss. However, an earth further degraded by the destructive inputs of animal agriculture would (will?) be a real loss.

Other ways of nourishing ourselves and playing with and enjoying food are being constantly unearthed. Will time, alternative pathways, and the critical will to do so help us reduce this core element in our species' social contributions to ecological destruction?

I'd say we can go vegan today, but only when we will going vegan en masse FOR OUR ENTIRE SPECIES - in the tradition of Al Gore who (though he hasn't yet seen the light, appreciates our epochal moment and asks us to make decisions AS a species.

We humans have already done this destructively - we have made destructive decisions as a species, but these decisions have crept up upon us and we have capitulated to them by default. We can go vegan (as Huffington herself reportedly has) and go further in educating our peers and community - starting first with friends - enabling their own discoveries and decisions on their own terms, through calm, comfortable exploration of associated issues.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
02:49 PM on 04/23/2011
Delusional. Veganism and the elimination of animals from agriculture would actually be a recipe for disaster, not salvation. Of course, I suppose it's easy for an urbanite/subrubanite living in the developed world, for whom getting food means driving to the supermarket, to be clueless about this.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
10:03 PM on 04/24/2011
E, as you know, the head of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (who won the Nobel Peace Prize for his work on climate change) and many other agricultural economists and scientists agree with Maynard.

Many people, when they are wrong, resort to disparaging those who disagree with them; that appears, to me, to be what you're doing here.

Cheers,

Bruce
mothergrace
If they knock you down, bite 'em on the ankle.
03:18 PM on 04/23/2011
Being a vegan is an individual choice that may work for you but it is not the wave of a future healthy planet.

Please try reading material from other sources than those promoting the vegan lifestyle to truly understand the implications for the environment (and by extension, animals) and many of the world's population if the world were covered in crops.

It isn't pretty.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
10:08 PM on 04/24/2011
As you know, MG, funneling crops through animals is why we're forced to grow so many crops. In 2008, we fed more than 800 million tons of wheat and corn to animals, and more than 200 million tons of soy. If we didn't funnel these crops through animals, we would grow far less. The problem you worry about will become less severe as more and more people adopt a vegetarian diet.

Cheers,

Bruce
08:38 AM on 04/27/2011
Give 'em hell mothergrace, I wish everyone on Huff post had things figured out the way you do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Linda Middlesworth
Stop eating animal flesh!
09:53 PM on 04/22/2011
I just wish Bruce would tell it like it needs to be..NOT cutting back! Abolish all animal ag, small or large. We are killing ourselves, our planet. We need no animal products to live and we must stop killing all animals....just because we CAN! Horrid.
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FaunaAndFlora
Daughter of Pan
10:29 PM on 04/22/2011
The only way to stop killing animals is to become a homeless, nudist fruitarian who slept under the stars, walked everywhere and only ate foods from wild plants... but not too much food lest other animals starve because you took their share. ;-)
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
10:10 PM on 04/24/2011
The fact that six people marked this comment as a favorite indicates that the comments section here has become an echo chamber.

I am delighted to provide a space for anti-CAFO folks to talk with one another!

:-)

Bruce
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maslin
At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
05:02 PM on 04/27/2011
In other words, to dial back the Evolution-meter to ~6m yrs ago and elect to follow the Gorilla gorilla branch instead of the Pan/Homo branch.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
10:29 PM on 04/22/2011
Hey L, the last two sentences of the post are:

When you factor in climate change and the other environmental problems that I wrote about in my blog about taxing meat, you'll see why it's wise to go meatless on Mondays, on Earth Day, and on every other day of the year.

And when you look at things from the perspective of animals or your own health, as well as from an environmental one, you'll see that it only makes sense to stop eating meat, eggs, and dairy products entirely.
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12:45 AM on 04/25/2011
Aw Bruce, I am eating a traditional Greek dish tonight called "pastitsio" that includes ground beef (from the 1/2 grass fed cow I bought from a friend), tomato sauce, milk, eggs (from my chickens), and pasta, seasoned with oregano and cinnamon and baked...delicious!
mothergrace
If they knock you down, bite 'em on the ankle.
07:05 PM on 04/21/2011
Let me get this straight.

We are supposed to eliminate a source of food (meat) in favor of plants because using manure and fertilizer causes nitrogen pollution.

So, we are supposed to stop using manure (that releases nitrogen slowly) in favor of artificially manufactured fertilizer (that release nitrogen more quickly), require fossil fuels to make and which need potassium and phosphorus added that are mined and running low (to the point where human urine is, dare I say, tinkered with to use because of its phosphorus content).

In other words, we are supposed to conclude it is advantageous to interrupt a natural cycle and use all parts of the cycle efficiently (eating meat and using the manure as fertilizer) in favor of an inefficient polluting artificial cycle (vegan plus artificial fertilizer).

Who are these people?

Plus that, we would not be growing any fewer crops since we would need to replace the meat no longer available as food, animals eat things we cannot and convert it to food we can eat, sometimes in places plants will not grow and to top it off, these people are promoting GMO to develop plants that absorb nitrogen from the air.

Illogical. Inefficient. No less pollution.
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FaunaAndFlora
Daughter of Pan
12:13 AM on 04/22/2011
Crazy, huh?
mothergrace
If they knock you down, bite 'em on the ankle.
11:51 AM on 04/22/2011
The analysis of this data and the conclusions demonstrate a sad lack of critical thinking skills on the part of these researchers.

If they want to save the earth, they should be looking at really unnecessary agriculture such as growing food for ethanol.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
12:46 PM on 04/22/2011
You keep saying the same things, and what you say may sound good to you and your HuffPo friends, but to those who don't have a vested interest, it doesn't make nearly as much sense. The reason that disinterested parties, from the United Nations to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, disagree with you is that the science is not on your side. Just like the global warming deniers can come up with arguments that sound tenable, so clearly can you. And then you, like they, argue that those who disagree with you are just bad critical thinkers. Of course, your saying that only casts doubt on your own argument.

You know the arguments against what you say here, so I won't rehash, except to point out that if your interest were in preserving the environment, you wouldn't be giving succor to the current system--which is what posts like this do.

Cheers,

Bruce
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
01:45 PM on 04/22/2011
Sorry, but mothergrace is right and makes more sense than you do. The UN's recent report on "Agroecology and the Right to Food" shows that "agroecology," which INCLUDES the use of animals, is critical for ensuring food security in the coming decades, particularly in the most "at risk" areas of the world. Of course, this doesn't mean promoting CAFOs or "factory farms" or growing crops with industrial inputs like synthetic fertilizers and pesticides, but it also most definitely does NOT mean eliminating animals and going vegan (or even vegetarian). http://www.srfood.org/images/stories/pdf/officialreports/20110308_a-hrc-16-49_agroecology_en.pdf
mothergrace
If they knock you down, bite 'em on the ankle.
01:45 PM on 04/22/2011
As far as saying the same things, I could just as easily turn that back on you, but, for the sake of argument, I have no choice but to repeat facts.

The facts are that artificial fertilizers used exclusively not only wreak havoc on the environment, they are not infinite by any means. Phosphorus mines are running low as are the fossil fuels used to create artificial fertilizers. Without manure, sooner or later, we are sunk.

Animals are primarily fed silage from grain crops, what is left over after we process the material for our needs. I hardly think we will stop pressing soy for oil if everyone stops eating meat. If people do not eat meat, they will need greater amounts of plant material. Do you deny this? If less acreage is not planted, the whole point of this "study" is meaningless.

The conclusions from the UN have been criticized soundly for their methodology and the IPCC recommendations are based on this faulty study.

I have been involved in working on environmental projects for over 25 years. I am not unfamiliar with science or studies. Because of the cost of purchasing pasture raised meats our meat consumption is very moderate. I do not have a vested interest in factory farming and work to eliminate it.

But I do know that a family could raise their own food on a relatively small patch with animals included but be hard pressed to do so without including meat in their diet.
09:48 AM on 04/21/2011
Thanks for urging people to go vegan for Earth Day, Bruce. That will have a bigger impcat on the environment than simply recycling, using cloth bags, or taking short showers. And looking at the big picture, going vegan also helps stop animal suffering. Vegan food is healthier for humans too.
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11:49 AM on 04/21/2011
There are plenty of vegans who have a far larger negative impact on the environment than I do. Just saying.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
01:08 PM on 04/21/2011
I suspect that there are also a few vegans out there who aren't as healthy as you.
06:49 PM on 04/21/2011
And you could have even less of an impact on the environment if you went vegan. Just saying.
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FaunaAndFlora
Daughter of Pan
12:22 AM on 04/22/2011
Everything has an impact on the environment. Raising ruminents on pasture for meat and milk has a positive impact when done right. Raising shallow-rooted annual crops always has a negative impact, even when those crops are raised organically. That's why sustainable farming is based on rotating fields from livestock to crops, then back to livestock in order to minimalize the damage caused by crops.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
12:52 PM on 04/22/2011
You can do crop rotation w/o animals, though. And if you don't raise animals, you'll need far fewer crops. Most mono-cropping is of feed crops, not crops for human consumption, as you know. I would certainly agree with all the pro-meat people on here who think we should be eating less meat and that we should factory farming animals. I just think we should also take the next step, and not raise animals to kill and eat them, at all.

Cheers,

Bruce
08:06 AM on 04/21/2011
One reason we use so much fertilizer in the USA is we have lots of farmland, and it is very productive. I think it is misleading to claim if we had no animal agriculture we would quit farming the land in production today.
09:44 AM on 04/21/2011
The point is that we would grow fewer crops to be fed to animals. Essentially, most of the crops grown today are "wasted" because so much food must be fed to farm animals. It takes about 700 calories worth of feed to produce one 100-calorie piece of meat. Funnelling crops through animals is just wasteful.
09:59 AM on 04/21/2011
Where do you get your information? From what I understand, animals in CAFOs are fed the leftovers from what is grown to make high fructose corn syrup, vegetable oils and so forth. These crops are *not* grown specifically for animals, they are mostly grown for people use first.

In addition, if you want to talk about calories and nutrients, if we all quit eating meat and dairy, we would need to replace those calories and nutrients with something else. To me, that means we would have to grow even more monocrops like corn, soy, wheat and rice. It would probably be more than is utilized by by animals right now, because we can't eat the corn husks and stalks and soy stalks and leaves and those kinds of things, so all that is waste if only humans are eating it. Plus, plants are not very good sources of protein and many nutrients aren't available at all, so it would take an enormous amount of plant food and synthetic supplements to even approach the nutrition people get from meat and dairy, and it would still be incomplete.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
12:19 PM on 04/21/2011
You assume that all the "feed" is stuff that humans could eat if animals weren't eating it. In the case of fully pastured meat, like the beef I eat, the "feed" is grass and other forage plants that humans can't eat but which cattle can, which actually makes raising such animals very efficient, particularly since they're often raised on land that would be unsuitable for growing crops. Even beef cattle that are grain finished in feed lots spend almost all their lives, and put on almost all their weight, grazing on pasture or rangeland and are moved to feed lots for only a few months at most.
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01:27 PM on 04/21/2011
I think I'll take this opportunity to fan you grumpy.
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FaunaAndFlora
Daughter of Pan
11:02 PM on 04/20/2011
This is further proof that one can earn a Phd in the sciences without mastering the art of critical thinking.

1. Most of the "grains" fed to livestock are the byproducts of ethanol, cooking oil and corn syrup production. These crops would be grown with or without livestock.

2. While dairy animals need some grains, most meat animals can be raised and finished on pasture and hay.

3. In my opinion, it makes more sense to use livestock that convert grass into fertilizer instead of using the Haber-Bosch method to convert atmospheric nitrogen into ammonia. The Haber-Bosch method requires the use of coal or natural gas... and lots of it... to make fertilizer. http://www.scienceinformer.com/Haber-Bosch-Process.html

4. Here in the United States, the nitrogen run-off from farms is second to the run-off from golf courses and lawn care products (Tru Green).
08:04 AM on 04/21/2011
FANNED!
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FaunaAndFlora
Daughter of Pan
12:29 AM on 04/22/2011
Thanks Grumps! It's about time! LOL!!!
08:53 AM on 04/21/2011
90% of the nutrient run-off from farms comes from erosion of soil particles. No-till farming has stopped the vast majority of nitrogen and phosphorus run-off from farms here in NC. Wal-Mart sells more fertilizer than the large ag supplier that I use. Home owners are not restrained by economy in applying weed killers nd fertiizers, their standard is "is it green?"
12:15 PM on 04/21/2011
Sometimes going "Green" is not the best approach.
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01:25 PM on 04/21/2011
2 years ago, Organic guys in California had the biggest scare of their lives. 3 major compost suppliers were decertified by the state for a few months because of higher than "acceptable" levels of chems. They traced to source to 2 landfills that compost urban green waste. Farmer's chemicals are regulated to high hell, but chems for golf courses & lawns? Not a bit. But oh, let's just blame it all on those evil conventional farmers instead. It's so much easier that way.

It was a nail biting few months. Would we loose our Organic certification because of this or not? The State must have realized that forcing the decertification of 1,000's of Organic farmers over this would be very bad for PR and business, so it ended up being brushed under the rug.

I buy 100% animal manure compost now. Got 60 tons being spread next week.

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08:23 PM on 04/20/2011
Thanks for another great argument in support of pastured meat Bruce!

I wonder if Dr. Mark Sutton took into consideration that most beef, sheep, and goats spend 85% of their lives on a mostly pastured, grain free diet, before being finished? His being British would lead me to believe that he should know exactly how sheep utilize millions of acres of land in the British Commonwealth that is not profitable for intensive grain & vegetable production, and they do it with no addition to the Nitrogen 'problem'. Someone really should explain that to him. Maybe he should talk to Prince Charles, a master Organic sheep breeder and mutton producer?

But I'm left scratching my head a bit. Are you advocating for eliminating animal based Nitrogen sources in favor of fossil fuel based sources? Are you saying that we should SUPPORT chemical based farming?

After all, if food is not grown with animal based fertilizers, then it must be grown with chem based.
Do you have a solution to this dilemma that professional farmers haven't stumbled upon yet ?
08:37 PM on 04/20/2011
Probably the doctor assumes, like so many people, that the cows eat 100% grain. I have a friend whose parents raise cattle here. She lives in a major NE metro area and has been tickled with the whole "grass fed" debate, because as you know, all cattle are grass fed, some are just finished up on grain. But, since King Corn, her friends want to know all about feeding cattle grain and why would anyone do it, why not just let them eat grass?
09:54 AM on 04/21/2011
Why not just stop raising cattle altogether? We don't need to eat animals--it's healthie, kinder, and greener if we don't.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
11:01 PM on 04/20/2011
I have a friend who raises sheep in Scotland and they are 100% pastured. No grain fed at all. That's completely typical there.
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SusanElizabeth1949
My micro-bio may be empty but my head isn't.
11:15 PM on 04/21/2011
As far as I know, in this country lamb is by definition pasture raised. I've never heard of feedlots for lambs, sheep or goats.
02:43 PM on 04/20/2011
They use nitrogen fertilizer in Europe too Bruce.
12:40 AM on 04/21/2011
It was developed in Germany. Search Fritz Haber on the Wikipedia. See how that turned out for him and his family. Cautionary tale.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
04:15 AM on 04/21/2011
No accident that after WWII, munitions plants were converted to peacetime use as factories making synthetic nitrogen fertilizer.
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elcerritan
My bio is not micro
12:04 PM on 04/20/2011
This isn't an argument against eating meat. It's an argument for eating meat produced in a different way than the model that's been dominant in the U.S. since the late 1950's. Animals, including animals used as food and to produce food, are a critical part of any sustainable and environmentally sound and balanced agricultural system, so demonizing meat-eating is actually ANTI-enviromental.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
04:57 PM on 04/20/2011
Nice to see you hear, though it's really an argument for either option. Considering the meat industry as it exists now, it's a very strong argument for not eating meat. I do agree with you that it is ALSO a strong argument for reform, of course.

Thanks for your unfailing interest in my posts!

Bruce
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Daughter of Pan
11:09 PM on 04/20/2011
It's a strong argument for using animal manure to feed the soil instead of using tons of fossil fuels to convert atmospheric nitrogen into ammonia, which is then used to feed the soil on farms, golf courses and suburban lawns.
11:27 AM on 04/20/2011
It just seems indefensible for people who care about the planet to NOT try a veg meal at least once a week. Expand your mind. Embrace something new. Try an analog. Open a veg cookbook. A whole new and better world awaits you.

Try it. You'll soon look back and wonder what took you so long.
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11:37 AM on 04/20/2011
I wish things were so simple! But alas, all vegan dietary options are NOT better for the environment than all non-vegan dietary options. As an example, locally raised meat from grass fed animals is far less damaging to the environment than bananas from Ecuador.
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Bruce Friedrich
Sr. Dir. for Strategic Initiatives, Farm Sanctuary
04:59 PM on 04/20/2011
Thanks for your comment JT16. I agree with you, of course, but that's an argument against eating bananas from Ecuador, not an argument for eating meat.

Thanks for your comment!

Bruce
10:00 AM on 04/20/2011
Watching PeTA's Bruce Friedrich dance around the 800 pound gorilla in the room is absolutely hilarious! No matter how you slice it, by the logic of Bruce's own argument, a diet that includes sustainably pastured meat on a regular basis will cause far, far less nitrogen pollution than an all-plant diet!!!!

Also hilarious was Bruce's outlandishly ironic attempt to demonize manure to people who don't know anything about agriculture or nitrogen runoff. There are two alternatives in commercial agriculture: animal inputs such as manure, or toxic and completely unsustainable chemical fertilizers! To get rid of animals in agriculture, as Bruce advocates, would be an environmental nightmare of unimaginable proportions.

Another important issue here is the completely false, ignorant notion that farmers would just stop using their land and let it go fallow if they did not grow grains for animal feed and vegetable oil. That has little basis in reality. If the side products from growing corn and soy were not used for animal feed, farmers would have to use the crops for something else, or grow something different on the land. Either way, eating less meat would have extremely little effect on how many crops are grown in the US.

Again, since conventional plant ag pumps nitrogen into the environment, organic plant ag, which relies on manure, which is vastly more environmentally friendly and even beneficial if managed correctly, is the only environmentally responsible alternative. And if you want to cause far less nitrogen pollution, eat sustainable meat.
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11:58 AM on 04/20/2011
"And if you want to cause far less nitrogen pollution, eat sustainabl­e meat."

I plan to... in about 15 minutes!
12:58 PM on 04/20/2011
I don't understand what we would use to replace the meat and dairy in our diets? More plants like corn, soy, wheat, rice? And, wouldn't all those monocrops cause even more nitrogen pollution?