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Bruce Judson

Bruce Judson

Posted: September 16, 2009 12:16 PM

For anyone with even a passing familiarity with issues associated with economic inequality, The Wall Street Journal front page story last week was shocking. It's use of bad data was a misuse of this important forum.

In effect, the article says that economic inequality was never really a problem, and even if it is we no longer have to worry about it. These conclusions are just plain wrong.

The Journal article effectively leads the reader to two conclusions: First, any issues that may exist around economic inequality are disappearing, because of the likely decline in the outsize incomes of the top 1% of Americans, those with a minimum income of $400,000. Second, the problem was never really that bad in the first place. Using Census Bureau data, which has been widely discredited for this type of analysis, the article asserts that growth at the top of our society was only slightly higher than for the nation as a whole, saying

The gains at the top didn't necessarily come at the expense of others, because the economy expanded greatly after 1980, letting incomes grow across the spectrum. But those at the top end rose more rapidly. In 1980, for instance, the income of the top 5% of households was 2.86 times median incomes; by 2007, it was 3.52 times the median. In other words, the gap widened by 23%, Census data show.

Unfortunately, few conclusions could be further off the mark.

In some eras, when America did well everyone did well. However, this has been far from true for the past thirty years. Moreover, as a result of the Great Recession we may have to worry more about economic inequality rather than less.

First, let's start with what we know about economic inequality. Scholars have, with few exceptions, reached a consensus that Census Data is not appropriate for measuring high incomes. To ensure the privacy of individuals, the census assumes a maximum individual income of $999,000 or less. So, it does not capture the true income of oil traders or anyone else earning $100 million, $50 million or five million per year. Second, the Census data does not include capital gains, a central source of the wealth created in private equity and hedge funds. Finally, the Census is based on samples, and the small proportion of wealthy Americans, as compared to the total proportion, further limits the accuracy of its projections.

In response to these limitations, two economists, Professor Emanuel Saez at Berkeley and Professor Thomas Pickety at the Paris School of Economic developed a highly regarded technique for measuring the distribution of income, including capital gains, by using IRS data. So, the Saez-Pickety data goes back to 1913, when the modern income tax was introduced. Saez updates the data each year, and the analysis of the most recent data, for 2007, was released in early August of this year.

The validity of Census Data for measuring economic inequality was the subject of intense discussion several years ago, when Alan Reynolds. of the Cato Institute, wrote an article in The Wall Street Journal, titled "The Top 1%... of What?" in December, 2006 similarly asserting that economic inequality had been overstated. In response, Saez posted a detailed open letter on his Web site, explaining why Census Data was entirely inadequate for measuring income inequality and refuting Reynold's claims. In the open from Saez and Pickety, they state:

The ... Census Bureau estimates are based on survey data which are not suitable to study high incomes... In contrast, tax return data provide a very accurate picture... Our key contribution was precisely to use those tax data to construct better inequality estimates.


In sum, our work has shown the top 1% income share has increased dramatically in recent decades... [C]onservatives like Alan Reynolds ... prefer to dismiss the facts about growing income inequality rather than face the debate on income tax progressivity at a time of growing economic disparity.

Before joining the Obama administration, an independent study by Larry Summers based on Congressional Budget Office data, similarly concluded that economic inequality had increased massively in past decades. In a June 2007 article in the Financial Times Summers wrote:

Indeed, in a recent paper on tax policy prepared for the Hamilton project, my collaborators and I concluded from Congressional Budget Office data that, since 1979, changes in income distribution had raised the pre-tax incomes of the top 1 per cent of the population by $664bn or $600,000 per family - an increase of 43 per cent.By definition what one group gains from changes in the distribution of income another group must lose. The lower 80 per cent of families are $664bn poorer than they would be with a static income distribution, which works out to $7,000 less in income per family or a 14 per cent loss.

To put this in some perspective, the total gain in median family incomes adjusted for inflation between 1979 and 2004 was only 14 percent. If middle income families had shared fully in the economy's income growth over the past generation their incomes would have risen twice as rapidly!

With few exceptions, scholars have concluded the Saez-Pickety data is correct. The basic conclusion of this data, that the nation suffers from extreme and growing income inequality is essentially irrefutable. Moreover, when the latest data was released a few weeks ago, Paul Krugman called the findings of growing income inequality "truly amazing" in a blog post titled Even More Guilded.

So, the Journal based it's claims on data that is, with very few exceptions, considered essentially worthless for measuring income inequality.

Now, where do we really stand: The data released in August showed that, by some measures, the nation was at its highest level of income inequality in its history.

In 2007, the percent of total income received by the top 10% of families was 49.74%, or effectively one-half of the nation's total. This compares to 1980, when the top 10% received 34.63%, or about one-third of all income.

By looking at Census data, the Journal article finds that "the gap" in median income between the top 5% of households and all U.S. households "widened by 23%" since 1980. Such a finding may not be good, but it does not seem so extreme. This supports the unconscionable conclusion that "The gains at the top didn't necessarily come at the expense of others, because the economy expanded greatly after 1980, letting incomes grow across the spectrum." Of course, as already noted, the Census Data is completely unreliable for measuring these types of changes.

The Pickety-Saez data paints a very different picture. It shows that the average income in 2007 dollars (which adjusts for inflation) for the top 5% of households grew from $134,800 in 1980 to $220,100 in 2007; an increase of 63%. In contrast, over this 27 year period, the average real household income of the bottom 90% of families increased from $29,800 to $32,400; less than 9%.

So, real income among the top 5% grew at seven times the rate of income of the bottom 90% (63% as compared to less than 9%), an extraordinary difference of 600%. Second, these percentage increases reflect much higher absolute numbers. The average income growth of the top 5% in a single year between 1980 and 2007 was almost $3,200, which is more than the $2,600 average income growth of the bottom 90% for the entire 27 years. As others such as Joseph Stiglitz have noted, the vast majority of Americans have been waiting three decades for a decent raise.

It is also impossible to understand how the Journal could seriously assert that the income gains at the top occurred because of a widely shared growing pie, as opposed to one group taking a far larger piece of the growth.

Once again this is at odds with the Saez-Pickety data, whose conclusions are far more consistent with the real life experience of today's struggling middle income households. The data released by Saez in August shows that between 1993 and 2007, the top 1% of Americans received 50% of the entire income gains in the nation. In the shorter period between 2002 and 2007, the top 1% received an even more concentrated 65% of the entire income gains in the nation. In fact, on September 9th, the day before the Wall Street Journal article ran, the Council on Budget Priorities and Policies, released a detailed analysis of this data, titled, "Top 1 Percent of Americans Reaped Two-Thirds of Income Gains in Last Economic Expansion." This analysis, or its implications, was nowhere to be found in the Journal story.

In addition, I am forced to wonder about what interviews the reporters conducted before releasing the story. The central argument in the article, that the percentage of total income received by the top 1% will decline, gains enormous legitimacy by stating near the start of the piece that "Mr. Saez and other economists expect income going to the top 1% of taxpayers...will drop..by 2010." I cannot speak for Professor Saez, and I don't know whether he was interviewed for the Journal article, but any reading of his work suggests that the article provides a skewed representation of his views.

In a short paper accompanying the updated August data, Professor Saez concludes that "the most likely outcome is that income concentration will fall in 2008 and 2009." But, he follows this conclusion by stating that in the absence of significant policy actions such declines will be temporary:

Based on the US historical record, falls in income concentration due to recessions are temporary unless drastic policy changes, such as financial regulation or significantly more progressive taxation, are implemented and prevent income concentration from bouncing back. Such policy changes took place after the Great Depression during the New Deal and permanently reduced income concentration till the 1970s. In contrast, recent downturns, such as the 2001 recession, lead to only very temporary drops in income concentration. (references to charts omitted).

My intense study of past history, which will soon be released in It Could Happen Here is in line with Professor Saez's conclusion. Once income concentration becomes a reinforcing cycle of the kind we are witnessing, it is never stopped by pure market forces. Only extensive government intervention, of the kind that will inevitably create high controversy, reverses this trend. Indeed, the policies of the New Deal, which led to the rapid decline of inequality, reflected bitter and hard fights. Time magazine reported in April 1936, that:

Certainly no President in recent times has so bitterly aroused the enmity of a whole class as Franklin Roosevelt has aroused the economically substantial element of the U.S. Regardless of party and regardless of region, today, with few exceptions, members of the so-called Upper Class frankly hate Franklin Roosevelt.

It's possible that the growth in income concentration may take a brief respite, but without substantial intervention the long-term trend toward ever greater concentration will march forward.

When the historians Will and Ariel Durant completed their massive multi-volume study of history, encompassing the broad sweep of time from ancient Greece to the modern United States, they subsequently wrote a short book of 102 pages titled The Lessons of History, in which they sought to identify the broad trends that are common to civilizations. The chapter economics and history is all of six pages, and the bulk of it addresses the inevitable concentration of income that occurs in societies over time. The Durant's bluntly conclude that such concentration ultimately leads to redistribution of some type, by "violent or peaceable" means.

We conclude that the concentration of wealth is natural and inevitable and is periodically alleviated by violent or peacable partial redistribution. In this view, all economic history is the slow heartbeat of the social organism, a vast systolic and diastole of concentrating wealth and compulsive recirculation.

The Journal article give us the false impression that, counter to all historical evidence, we no longer need to worry about economic inequality. It will take care of itself.

Finally, it is not even clear that the central point of the article is correct. Yes, the rich are suffering relative to the past. However, the middle class and underclass are suffering as well. Jobs continue to disappear and housing could still decline substantially. With each job loss or foreclosure, another family joins the ranks of the former middle class. Simon Johnston, in a New York Times blog post, "The Two-Track Economy: Inequality Emerging From Today's Recession", among others, has pointed out that the Great Recession may be creating an even less economically equal society:

The overall numbers on outcomes by groups can get complicated (here's a partial guide), but the simple version is: The top 10 percent of people are going to do fine, those in the middle of the income distribution have been hard hit by overborrowing, and poorer people will continue to struggle with unstable jobs and low wages.

Can the richest people spend enough to power a recovery in overall G.D.P.? Perhaps, but is that really the kind of economy you want to live in?

The United States has, over the past two decades, started to take on characteristics more traditionally associated with Latin America: extreme income inequality, rising poverty levels and worsening health conditions for many. The elite live well and seem not to mind repeated cycles of economic-financial crisis. In fact, if you want to be cynical, you might start to think that the most powerful of the well-to-do actually don't lose much from a banking sector run amok -- providing the government can afford to provide repeated bailouts (paid for presumably through various impositions on people outside the uppermost elite strata).

All of this suggests that we have a lot to worry about. On its front page, The Wall Street Journal may say that it never happened, and even if it did it is fixing itself. Everything we know suggest that this reading of the past is wrong, and such a future -- without determined government action -- is unlikely. The larger worry is that we will emerge from the Great Recession as a society sharply divided between a small privileged upper class, and an underclass that lacks basic economic security. What happens then?

This post originally appeared on The Business Insider.

 
 
 

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DHFabian
08:35 PM on 11/09/2009
I think what the WSJ is pointing out is that, for the first time in our history, the leading progressive spokesmen of the day have simply dropped the class issue, at a time when our class divisions have reached an extraordinary degree. We still see the occasional roll-up-your-sleeves-and-look-like-a-factory-worker approach; at such times, we are careful to specify that our concern, however tepid and incidental, is for the WORKING poor; we have utter indifference to the post-working-poor, those millions who slide from destitution to poverty and back into destitution. Historically, the poor have always been the foot soldiers, so to speak, of every social progressive movement. This time, the progressive spokesmen completely wrote off the poor, and remain oblivious to how the conditions of our poorest do, inevitably, trickle up.

So let's face reality. We are the generation that ended aid to our poor while bestowing billions of dollars to corporations, which used that money to move our jobs out of the country. Obviously, this is what we wanted, and since we wanted this -- no problem!
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dmbraddy
panderingpoliticians.com
04:44 PM on 09/18/2009
For the poor, economic downturns represent an existential threat. They may not be able to afford needed medical care, a proper diet, or even adequate shelter. For the middle class it can mean unemployment or dropped health insurance leading to a similar plight.

By contrast, the rich always get the best health care and, if they choose, a healthful diet. For the wealthy, economic downturns mean fewer mansions, no heliport on their yacht, or a reduced portfolio. Oh, woe is me. Suffering? The rich do not suffer. They hire someone to suffer for them.

That's why we have progressive income tax rates. It's a matter of fairness. For 3 decades Reaganomics and its irresponsible tax cuts for the rich substantially flattened tax rates. The predictable result has been a massive transfer of wealth from middle class to rich.

The tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 that mainly went to the already wealthy were the clearest test yet of trickle-down economics and its supposed stimulative effect on the economy. So, how did it go? The 8 years of the Bush administration had the slowest growth rate of any 8 year period in decades. Tax cuts that go mainly to the rich do not stimulate the economy, they do not increase the size of the pie, they simply transfer wealth from middle class to rich and explode the deficit.

We conducted a 30-year economic experiment and history has rendered its impartial, unbiased verdict on supply-side economic theory. Fail.
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ibsteve2u
Someone who cares - to his unending regret
12:35 PM on 09/18/2009
By the way: People have to understand that our bankers, our Wall Street moguls, our corporate leaders...they don't think of themselves as leading "American" organizations anymore; they consider themselves to be "International" businessmen and women. Thus, they can make the interests of the American economy and the American people secondary to their pursuit of new wealth.

A quote from the 2009/09/16 issue of "The Economist":

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Rich countries have democratic governments, so continued support for globalisation will depend on how prosperous the average worker feels. Yet workers' share of the cake in rich countries is now the smallest it has been for at least three decades (see chart 5). In many countries average real wages are flat or even falling.

Meanwhile, capitalists have rarely had it so good. In America, Japan and the euro area, profits as a share of GDP are at or near all-time highs (see chart 6). Corporate America has increased its share of
national income from 7% in mid-2001 to 13% this year.
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(http://www-personal.umich.edu/~kathrynd/Trade_MorePainThanGain.Sep06.pdf - it can be difficult to find...)

Sadly, the impact of 30 years of Republican policies upon America's people seems too often to be "interpreted" entirely through the eyes of those who own whatever media outlet the commentary appears in.

As this article points out.
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ibsteve2u
Someone who cares - to his unending regret
11:47 AM on 09/18/2009
Two things.

First...you know all of those incomes in the bottom 95% or so? The probability that the IRS is receiving accurate income data is far, far higher for that chunk of America - 'cuz they're an "expense" to the top 5%, which gives the latter a clear benefit come tax time in ensuring that the IRS is given good data.

But the rest of the income the top 5% receives? Does anybody really think the IRS is being told by those individuals about the interest they're being paid on the $100 million they have stashed in the Cayman Islands? Their half billion that is "working" in the People's Republic of China? The little $10 million side loan they made to Cuba, "under the radar"?

I'm willing to wager that that the total income of the top 5% is vastly under-reported.

Secondly, re: "It is also impossible to understand how the Journal could seriously assert that the income gains at the top occurred because of a widely shared growing pie, as opposed to one group taking a far larger piece of the growth."

Now there is a clear and obvious untruth: It is NOT impossible to understand, if you consider the fact that Murdoch bought that rag.
11:17 AM on 09/18/2009
"The gains at the top didn't necessarily come at the expense of others,.."?? I guess that wouldn't include the hedge fund and Goldman guys who were MAKING BILLIONS while the rest of us were LOSING BILLIONS. Where do you THINK those dollars came from?
Or while Exxon was making record PROFITS, the rest of us were PAYING record gas prices doesn't count either.
Someone once told me, "It's not what I say that counts, it's what I do and what that means that counts."
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BassguyGG
Former Moderate driven Left by eight years of Bush
11:46 AM on 09/18/2009
Why WOULDN'T the massive gains at the top come at our expense? To quote Gordon Gekko from "Wall St.," "Money is neither created or destroyed, it just changes hands." Yes I know it is an oversimplification but the principle is sound.

Generally, The super-rich did better because everyone else did worse. In other worts, the paltry 3% COLA raises the lower-level employees didn't get went to the CEO's $20 milllion bonus. That people's real income has been decreasing for years now confirms this. Wall Street boomed because people were taking the equity out of their homes and leveraging themselves by buying too much crap on easy credit. To use another Gekko quotation, "There has to be a winner and a loser." In think you can figure out the rest...
11:08 AM on 09/18/2009
What great posts to this article !
The main reason why Wall Street is still alive and kicking is because of that huge, overly generous bailout. Everyday we keep hearing from these wealthy parasites that the recession is over. Sure, for them it is over.
But for the thousands still standing in long lines for a job or an unemployment check, it's a long ways from being over.
This bailout may have been necessary to save face on the world stage, but it has done nothing more than create another huge bubble which isolates the upper class from us poor minions.
Who is going to bail out America when this bubble bursts ? China again ? Don't think so.
10:55 AM on 09/18/2009
So many things to comment on here. I know that we're pedaling as fast as we can to stay up! Myt husband has a good job, a secure job (which is very important these days) -- but pay cuts are looming. I'm self-employed, and no sooner does one client say, "we can use you," than another says, "we're cutting back." Kids in college, you get the picture. What's truly impacting the country, I think, are the lack of good-paying jobs that do NOT require college (factory jobs, etc.) Not everyone is cut out for college and there should be a way to make a living without one. That said, we're also trying to instill money smarts in our own kids, especially the one who's about to graduate from college. There are a lot of books out there -- I'm currently looking at "Financial Purity" (http://www.financialpurity.com) by Jessica Psalidas. It's for anyone who wants to mange their debt, get out of debt, build their financial wealth on a solid foundation. Let's face it, money is the source of SO much stress. This book has all kinds of good advice, including (important for my uses right now), why and how children should be taught about money as early as possible.
07:09 PM on 09/17/2009
I commend to the readers of this article the writings of Henry George (1839-1897). I think most of you would find them useful and illuminating.

You might start with his fine book, Progress & Poverty -- available online -- or a book of essays entitled "Social Problems" or speeches, including "Thou Shalt Not Steal" and "The Crime of Poverty -- available at wealthandwant.

And if the distinction between capitalism and socialism is of interest, you might look for an essay called "Henry George and the Reconstruction of Capitalism." Capitalism can work, and we ought to try it some day. (What we've got now doesn't qualify.)
05:24 PM on 09/17/2009
There is no question that "income inequality" exists in this country but not the reasons you put forth in you opinion piece. Poor Americans continually make choices that foreclose their ability to escape poverty. If you examine the lifestyle choices of the poor, you will find:

1) Many did not graduate from high school
2) Many of them married before their 20s
3) Many families are headed by single, unmarried mothers

Americans that avoid making these self-destructive choices have a very good chance of escaping poverty, indeed, the percentage of people who have avoided these bad choices and are living in poverty is very low.

Better choices = better life.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
10:09 AM on 09/18/2009
1) Many of them are UNABLE to graduate high school, due to the schools not being there for them, and usually having to help provide for their families.

2) What's that got to do with anything? Getting married at a young age has nothing to do with poverty.

3) And this is the fault of the children how? Not to mention the fact that many of those single mothers are working their a$$es off to try to make things better for their children, and yet are unable to provide enough for them to even make it to high school graduation....
10:35 AM on 09/18/2009
Martin, I understand, you've got yours, you have more important things to worry about.
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indy100
Wise up
02:46 PM on 09/17/2009
And this is a surprise why? The Wall Street Journal is written for the top 1%, and the white, upper middle class guy who has aspirations to be part of the 1%. You know, the guy who has to keep up with the Jonses and votes Republian. So, why would they use actual facts? Fact present a very different picture, one that emphasizes race, class, gender and ethnic differences and they want to pretend that those things don't exist, and if they do it's all overblown. They have everything to lose by having to face reality and nothing to gain.
08:12 PM on 09/17/2009
People like you need to stop all this "white" stuff as you are operating from the same energy core as the tea bager nuts holding racist signs.

This is about MONEY, lack of historical understanding of the political & social stability of a country with a strong middle class. This is about the Ideology of people who's brains believe in conservative supply side garbage. Trust me, when brothas or any other race becomes rich they are just as prone to the believing in supply side, rabid self reliance mythology, fear of redistribution, don't tax me, etc.

The problem is a lack of education regarding economic, historical, psychological and political history and how it relates to the stability of a nation. We have had 40 years of brainwashing by right wing "economists" who are really not economists as much as businessmen who value everything by how rich they can be under one system vs. another in terms of how the pie should be cut up. To this day they still believe that tax cuts, etc. are the foundation of a sound economy. Retards yes, but not because they are white, because they are worshipers of the free market and have probably rationalized themselves into having a sociopathic attitude because that's what they've been taught in business school.

Just because you make millions managing a corporation doesn't make you fit to run an economy or set public policy. Being good at making money doesn't make you an expert on all of reality...
10:30 AM on 09/18/2009
Thank you ... I was about to begin a post using exactly the same opening line.
And one more point. The old mantra, "Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics" neatly captures the reality of how we all create our reality. We pick and choose our numbers, pick and choose our interpretation of those numbers, and end up "often wrong and seldom uncertain." The phrase I read that I love is, "by the transitive power of bullshit...."
The Wall Street Journal has increasingly become a bad joke - as has the majority of the "business news." I cancelled my subscription to Business Week when it began to arrive with photos of CEOs on the cover portrayed as small gods and large celebrities.
The Right is correct about one thing - we have a Values Problem in this country - although I'm fairly certain that we would argue about the specific values that should replace the ones each side deplores.
12:27 PM on 09/17/2009
Dear DIAGUY

I guess that by now hard work may account for no more than a ridiculously tiny part of the existing big fortunes.

Your seem to ignore that the vast majority of the wealthiest 1% got their assets at the cradle... through inheritage!
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Cosatjockomo
12:22 PM on 09/17/2009
All our politicians and national press anchors fall within this 1%. They get to make the rules and decide what the publicly accepted facts are. There is no hope of reform by using the system they created to protect themselves. The system was created so that they could reap a disproportional profit for themselves. They took more than their fair share from the american worker. Income redistribution isn't about taking from those that earned and giving to those who didn't. It's about taking from those who thru an unlevel playing field took a gluttonously more than they needed and under-compensated those that actually did the work. All governments that fail to periodically make such a distribution can expect eventual violent reprisals from those that know they are being abused by an unfair system.
04:31 PM on 09/17/2009
I keep being surprised at how little curiosity people who care about inequality have about the mechanisms behind it.

Henry George laid out a big portion of the inequality machine in his best-seller, "Progress & Poverty" which sold 6 million copies between 1880 and 1905.

It's still the best-selling economics or political economy book ever. (That's the science which deals with the natural laws governing the production and distribution of wealth and services.)

George saw that the privatization of the economic value of land -- particularly urban land -- and natural resources is the underlying problem. We fight wars over land and natural resources, and the privilege of some to privatize what rightly belongs to all of us is the basis of huge fortunes. Leona Helmsley was describing tax structure in her oft-quoted statement "WE don't pay taxes; the LITTLE people pay taxes."

Read Progress & Poverty (online); you'll have an entirely different set of lenses to view inequality and how to fix some serious problems. Read George's speeches at wealthandwant.com -- e.g., "Thou Shalt Not Steal" or "The Crime of Poverty."

George's remedy won't create equality of outcome, but it will create equal opportunity, a level playing field where one gets to reap what one sows.

Focusing on the awesome EFFECTS of structure inequality doesn't begin to solve the problem. Henry George gives us the tools to solve it.
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Eggsackley
Organic gardener & growers marketer.
10:09 AM on 09/17/2009
Excellent article. Every news media has an agenda. The Wall Street Journal's agenda is obvious. The troubling thing is the dishonesty implicit in the choice of the underlying census data instead of more accurate data which is readily available. What I am really wondering is why the Democrats have not repealed the Bush tax cuts.
I would like to see a return to Kennedy era tax rates. The tax rates on the highest incomes at the end of World War II were excessive in a peace time economy. In my opinion Kennedy's reductions in the top rates struck a reasonable balance that has been eroding ever since in favor of the wealthy. I also think it is time to restore estate taxes. The children of the wealthy have incredible advantages is schooling and social/business contacts. They are better situated to earn their own wealth. Why should they get the entire silver spoon when their parents die?
04:55 AM on 09/17/2009
Pure propaganda by the WSJ.

The CIA Fact book site itself lists the American wealth disparity as the same as a sub-Saharan country.

Sub-Saharan being 50 on the Lorenz curve.

USA as 45

Scandinavian countries at 25
07:34 PM on 09/19/2009
I looked up what you're citing. Very interesting, thanks. I'm providing the link if anyone else wants to check it out:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html
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03:57 AM on 09/17/2009
You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

The late Dr. Adrian Rogers
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COPerez
09:33 AM on 09/17/2009
Straw man.

Nowhere in this article will you find any support for such a system. Unless you are in that top 1% what you are advocating, by distracting with your straw man, is allowing the top tier of our society to suck the wealth out of the entire system at the expense of the rest of us. Exactly opposite of what Dr. Rogers states above. It is the extreme upper class that makes its money from no kind of work that actually adds to the well being of the rest of society - that are parasitic on that society - that are "receiv[ing] without working for" it.

Wake up. Turn off FAUX. See what's actually going on in our country.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
02:04 PM on 09/17/2009
And you also cannot have a decent economy without a strong middle class, which you cannot have without government regulation of capitalism, since unregulated capitalism will ALWAYS result in feudalism as the end result!