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Well, Don't We Liberals Hate the Public God?

Posted: 06/29/11 01:15 PM ET

Ok, so GOP Rep. Todd Akin is a demagogue. He knew he was exaggerating when he said that "the heart of liberalism really is a hatred of God." Plenty of liberals are theists and many who are not are perfectly respectful of God (though there is a strain in Christopher Hitchens and the other New Atheists who really do have a hatred for God).

But when Akin corrected himself to say that liberals have "a hatred for public references for God", you have to wonder why anyone would take offense. For the past several weeks, I have been going around addressing liberal groups arguing that there is a place for God language in the public square. I have to tell you it is a tough sell.

When even Douglas Laycock, a quite moderate professor of law at Virginia, and probably the country's leading theorist about church and state, says that "in principle" the "under God" language in the Pledge of Allegiance is unconstitutional, but that current litigation to remove it is "many decades premature", he is not only affirming Akin's point, but is dooming liberalism to years and years of anti-God attacks.

This is frustrating to me because it is so unnecessary. First of all, many nonbelievers use God language and always have. Perhaps most famously John Dewey used the term God to refer to the power of the absolute in human affairs. And today, scientists such as Stuart Kauffman use the term to refer to the endless creativity in the universe. There is no reason to assume that every use of the word God is a theological claim.

Second, the use of the word God in the American political tradition has also reflected nontheological claims. The Declaration of Independence referred to the Creator to make the point that our rights are not gifts from men but are inherent. Lincoln used the word God to make a point about the consequences of the fundamental national injustice of slavery. Robert Bellah explained years ago that the primary use of God language in the public square is to rely on a morality beyond human invention.

Yes, the use of the word God in politics is always a claim about objective values. But it is not always or even usually a theological argument about whether God exists.

I already know that many liberals are unconvinced by arguments like these. They prefer to grouse about references to God in the public square. Even if they admit they don't have the votes today to eliminate the national motto or rewrite the Pledge of Allegiance, they hope one day that will change.

To such liberals, I say "good luck." You are condemning liberalism to minority status. You are closing your ears to a rich tradition of wisdom. You are unthinkingly embracing relativism. And you are handing a weapon to the Todd Akins of our age.

 
 
 
 
 
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10:55 AM on 07/05/2011
I have to say Mary's comments are outstanding. there are two distinct views in Christianity, one is Ex-nihilo magical wizard of oz or reductionism that treats the word God as a definition. There is the other minority view that holds to a concept of Immanent/Trancendent Duality of opposites in union with each other that is a non reductive understanding of the word God and thus that word is understood as expression. The majority view has now manifested into Secular culture of Meology is all. We can see the match in the field of science as we can see the match in the area of religion. This society is badly off track and the meologists in religion and science are leading the way. Stuart Kauffman said that we need to reinvent the sacred, I think he meant we need to rediscover the sacred. The heart is in the right place the wording is wrong.
02:17 PM on 07/04/2011
You are wrong. Liberalism is not hatred of anything. It is liberalism that fights for the rights of all religions to pray as they want to. There are many religions in the world. Liberalism is against religious monopolies, but liberalism does not support hate.
12:58 PM on 07/03/2011
If god were truly omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, he certainly wouldn't need your money to make him more powerful.

To put "In God We Trust" on money is obscene especially since every Bible scholar knows what Jesus thought of money. He said, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto god what is god's". To give unto Caesar that which is god's should seem equally profane if you are christian.

Religious people don't make sense. Take off religious overtones on human money!
12:50 PM on 07/03/2011
Just because I don't believe in Santa Claus, doesn't mean I "hate" Santa Claus.

I hate ignorance and fear. I hate that so many Americans are afraid of "sinning" only because they will be punished instead of not "sinning" just because it is the right thing to do whether you are rewarded for righteous living or not.

I went to Bible College and was married to a licensed preacher. Don't tell me that I don't know what religion in America is about.
12:47 PM on 07/03/2011
I think what some liberals find disturbing about "god language" is what it connotates for many other people, including myself. God is NOT a boy's name; it IS a job description and because so many seem to see "God" as Jesus or the white-haired father sitting on a cloud in heaven, is what aggravates liberals. "God" can be so many things and to relegate this figure to only one or two images is offensive to those of us who see "God" as something more.
12:47 PM on 07/03/2011
We have a hatred for lack of freedom which requires us to believe something you believe just because it makes you comfortable to think everyone thinks as you do. Just because you can't stand to hear opposing points of view, doesn't mean opposing points of view should be silenced in America.
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11:38 AM on 07/02/2011
I don't hate God, for I do not believe that God exists.

What I hate is when people try to dictate their policy based on what they think God "wants" for us or "demands" of us. I can't imagine they would like it very much if I entered into public office and started proposing laws based on what Jack Bauer or Santa Claus tell me in my dreams.
07:25 PM on 07/01/2011
Well, I happen to accept that religion is RELATIVE to the point of view.
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Timothy Thocher
my doG looked in the mirror and saw God
11:48 AM on 07/01/2011
The problem is that you are more than welcome to belive in a god if you wish, I really hate it when you think with out any logical proof, or scientific evidence, that you feel entitled to say you are more correct than I am. Yes you can stand behind faith if you wish, but the very fact that you started this discussion, violates your claims to faith as an argument. So with out faith, you have no claim to your indignate last statements of your superior place in the world. As an atheist and a progressive, I find the use of god in any public discourse as divisive and problematic to the public welfare. Believe what you wish, but dont feel that you are in a position that is more correct and relivant than mine.
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Herkv
Caught in a loop . . .
12:14 AM on 07/01/2011
You can't hate something that doesn't exist. To claim that atheists hate god is a lie - naive and simplistic, a strawman argument, and a raw exhibition of hubris.

And I'm still waiting for a "rich tradition of wisdom" that exceeds non-religious philosophy. The half-truths and distorted truths of religions are anything but wisdom.
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Misterioso Adversario
THE THIRST MUTILATOR!
05:34 PM on 06/30/2011
You can't hate something that you don't believe exists.
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Lost Rights
2008 Dem Convention Denver, Expect this in 2012
02:18 PM on 06/30/2011
The references you refer to in America by our Christians is to their God. Native Americans have a different view of it all, as do Hindi and others. The GOP decries Shari law, but wants to have Christian law here.
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PopsinAZ
Questioning partisan politics.
02:32 AM on 07/01/2011
Our nation exists and is based upon Judeo-Christian beliefs and laws, Lost. This is not exclusively a GOP claim, it is an historical FACT.
07:16 AM on 07/01/2011
Because "don't kill people or take their stuff" was a uniquely Judeo-Christian concept, right?
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Lost Rights
2008 Dem Convention Denver, Expect this in 2012
11:36 PM on 07/01/2011
Our current nation was founded on the belief that people who may have claimed to be christian's, and following the bible.
There was already a number of nations already here which believed NOT in the christian god, which made them soul less heathens giving your judeo-christian's an excuse to murder them and take their lands; and when they opposed they were killed some more as were their food source. Oh yeah, they had been here 20,000 years and not destroyed the environment.
Seems like your judeo-christian laws and beliefs are geared at only greed and destruction of the environment. Might be time to rethink those superstitions and failed beliefs. Your kids will pay the price with a planet that may be gone in 2050, the result of christian dogma.
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Freddie27
Liberal Gay Jewish Atheist
01:59 PM on 06/30/2011
References to God are not about God as a deity? Yeah, pull the other one.
Government has no business promoting belief in God through statements like "One Nation under God" and "In God we trust". One's religious beliefs are private. If you don't pray in my classroom, I won't think in your church.
04:22 PM on 06/30/2011
love your micro-bio.
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PopsinAZ
Questioning partisan politics.
02:34 AM on 07/01/2011
It's a shame your parents didn't "stand with planned parenthood," Freddie.
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Freddie27
Liberal Gay Jewish Atheist
09:54 PM on 07/01/2011
Goodness me, someone's cranky this morning. Why don't you go toodle on back to church and talk to that voice in your head some more?
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Watching rock grow
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01:54 PM on 06/30/2011
As a liberal directly descending from the traditions of the Protestant Reformation, John Locke and the founding fathers of the USA, I do hate the public god. In this nation, we have never accepted the divine rights of God’s elect upon a throne. It is why the Founding Fathers rejected his seat of power in the establishment of the USA Constitution. God in the person of Christ rejected the rightful seat of power in his day, choosing instead to serve the People. We descending from the traditions of our fathers follow this way, service to the People for the Common Welfare and at home pray for success. It has been a successful experiment for over 200 years, we simply want it continued.
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JoeyDee2
I know what just passed here
01:20 PM on 06/30/2011
So, conservatives seem to hate the Public Good. You can love God but hate good?
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PopsinAZ
Questioning partisan politics.
02:36 AM on 07/01/2011
It is time to reduce your intake of recreational drugs, Joey. You are seriously confused.
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JoeyDee2
I know what just passed here
11:47 AM on 07/01/2011
That's the best you can come up with? Personal attacks? You disagree so the other side is confused? That's an argument? I've seen your other posts. You really have no shame. Do you know what an argument is besides fighting over a parking space?