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Guns, God and a Gift From My New Friend, M.

Posted: 10/20/11 12:21 PM ET

[Image: Writing I found on the bathroom wall at the Peaceful World Cafe at the Red Victorian, SF.]

Earlier this summer, I got onto a bit of a blogging roll: pissing off hard core photographers, musing on same-sex marriage and taking on the issue of gun violence. There was spirited interaction on all of the posts, but the comments and tone that surrounded the gun violence post were the most disheartening. Most of the comments that argued strongly against what I was saying, were often laced with profanity and did nothing to give anyone much hope that open discernment about difficult issues would win the day. Occasionally a supporter would chime in, but I suspect opening oneself up to the school-yard bullying tactics was not all that inviting. Personally, I received threatening emails, was called a tyrant and too lazy to read, commanded to do things to myself that I am sure are anatomically impossible and, wait for it ...  told to go back to my country!

So, I guess I'm moving back to Stockton. ;-)

I am usually pretty good about seeing the big picture when it comes to blog comments. I know that many commentors use the comment section to share their own ideas and and may or may not be interested in genuine interaction or even addressing anything actually written in the original post. I generally don't mind and of this, but for some reason, this batch of comments started to get to me. It might have been that, after losing a family member to gun violence, any phrases or words that were construed as a threat became very real or it might have simply been the level of disrespect and nastiness that seemed to drive many of the comments. Whatever the reason, on more than one occasion, as I scrolled through the comment threads, I found myself whispering to my computer, "People suck."

Then I had this email interaction, instigated by M. It is edited to mask M's identity and to correct minor typos.

Dear Pastor Reyes-Chow, I must totally disagree with your post. I agree there is too much gun violence in our country but the worst way to combat it is to disarm law-abiding citizens. We, under our Constitution, have the God-given right to protect ourselves and our families. When faced with physical violence and guns, we MUST be able to respond in kind. That means anyone who is not convicted of crime should be freely allowed to own means of self-protection. Yes, I agree they should be trained in the use of deadly force but how they get it is up to them. Many of us grew up hunting or in the military and already know gun safety. There are lots of classes for others. But the right to be self-protected is guaranteed by our country. GOD BLESS AMERICA !!! -- Sincerely, M.

M., Thanks for taking the time to write. It is interesting that I never said that people should not have guns, but only that we should be better about who gets them. I can certainly be challenged on many things, but can't really combat being challenged on something that I did not say. --Bruce

Pastor, You may be correct. I might have mis-interpreted your comments and if so, I am sorry. I am a very strong believer in the US Constitution and the beliefs of our founding fathers. --M.

M., All good!  Have a great 4th! --Bruce

In the meantime, I posted "Puppies, Butterflies and Kum Bah Ya," a post meant allow myself a time to step back from the passion of the comment threads and take a breath or two or three. My conversation with M. continued.

Hi Pastor, Sorry if my e-mail was one of the ones that bothered you. Guns, and the right to own them are a big issue with me!! Puppies and Butterflies are a real easy issue, who could not love them? Actually for me these days it is kittens. Thanks for explaining "Kum Bah Yah," always knew the song from way back in the 60s but never knew what it meant. Glad to know, after forty some years, that it is a call to heavenly Father to be with us!! -- Thank You, M.

M., No ... I am always up for respectful conversations, you were indeed not. Unfortunately, one had a very threatening tone with iffy language and I am thinking about reporting it to the authorities. --Bruce

Pastor, As well you should. Differences of opinion are fine, good dialogue is fine but threats must be taken seriously.  We all have different views, and our God-given right to them, but we cannot allow violence or the threat of it to cloud our lives. --Thanks, M.

M., On another note ... would you mind of I shared conversation (totally anonymously) as a way to illustrate how two people can engage in healthy conversations. WE didn't solve anything, but feel like we might both be in a better place because of our interaction. Again ... I will not share your name, but am hoping to post something about our society's need to be different in our common yearnings for the common good. If not I totally understand, but I have been moved by your responses. --Thanks, Bruce

Pastor, Yes, I would be happy to engage in this dialogue so long as you keep my name out of it. Don't want to invite any problems. I like your writing and although we don't share all the same ideas, I feel we are both good Christians that want to do good. Just to give you a bit of background. I was born in Xxxxxx and raised Episcopalian, baptized and confirmed, but admit I am not much of a church attendant. I have a long time relationship with a Mormon lady and go to her church more often because they are more friendly and family oriented. --Keep in touch, M.

This conversation speaks for itself, but here's why it was particularly meaningful to me. This kind of open interaction is what I believe needs to occur more often if we are going to build community amidst great disagreement in theology, ideology and politics. Rather than take the default position that anyone who disagrees with me must be fueled by stupidity, fear or malice, why not begin with the assumption that there is a common yearning to seek truth for the individual and community. Yes, we may be proven wrong more than right, but we must give ourselves the chance to find common ground and build up the common good.

M. and I came to no profound agreement about gun violence, we are not now best friends and I am sure that there are even more things that we disagree about. But what we did do was to approach the conversation with a sense that the other was discerning God's calling just as faithfully as the other. At a time when I was girding up the ol' loins for battle, M. reminded me that it is important to be open to meeting "the other" somewhere in that very gray, but lovely middle -- a place that, for a brief time, I was beginning to believe was no longer worth seeking.

Thank you, M., for showing and reminding me that the hard work of being community is worth it.

Lastly, here is a great comic strip  on the topic from Angry Little Girls creator Lela Lee.

This post originally appeared on reyes-chow.com.

 

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Rooster Coburn
Less Gov't + More Responsibility = A Better World
03:56 PM on 11/01/2011
The "freedom folks" seem to be ahead here by better than 10:1. So I'll just leave it at that and go on my merry way.
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mackbolan
Libertas inaestimabilis res est
06:17 AM on 10/31/2011
we see this a lot on hp...someone writes about guns and claims to want an open discussion then they drop off the face of the earth...you seem to want to blame the instrument mostly...i am guessing that you would never blame williams-sonoma or henkel knives for a stabbing death but under the 2nd amendment knives are arms also...and before you even think about it there are multiple murders by knife in the u.s every year they just don't make the news...
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
05:21 PM on 10/30/2011
Let's continue by looking at the "10 Points" you have listed.

#2 is likely illegal.

#3 is already done via the ATF 4473 process.

#4 is already a federal requirement.

#5 there is already a lot of signage regarding such things. Actually the amount of "required" signage in some states is already so overwhelming that everything is lost in the noise.

#9 is likely illegal.

#10 is already the law.
11:26 AM on 10/31/2011
Well put.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
05:15 PM on 10/30/2011
Now, in the spirit of a civil discussion, let's take a look at your article.

First, discussing the issue of firearms is not unpatriotic and nearly all of us fully support you personal choice to never own a firearm. Many of us will extend a standing invite to go shooting with us and to learn about various types, of firearms, their many uses, and basic firearm safety.

You wrote, "I believe that our individual right to bear arms should be challenged if society deems that we do not have the psychological capacity to make good choices ". Any such decision regarding a person's right to arms must afford that person due process. This is why we currently relegate this power to the courts.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and combat vet
01:43 PM on 10/30/2011
Many people do not see the difference between an argument and an altercation. The arts of debate and discussion are not as well understood in the information age as they probably once were. The assumption of respect and practice of politeness are nearly gone. Many people are not even fully aware of the way their words come across; or that they are being insulting, hateful, or vulgar; or they think that they have to use such terms to make a point. The difference between argumentum ad hominem and ad hominem rhetoric baffles many.
01:40 PM on 10/23/2011
Can the author tell us why he is in bed with Mayors Against Illegal Guns? There are over a million people on the terrorist watch list. MAIG thinks that persons on the list should be deprived of their constitutional rights. Funny how an elected official(that swears to uphold and defend the Constitution) would think that basic rights can be removed because your name is on a 'Secret List'.
How about the 3 dozen current or past members of MAIG that are felons?
It is a sham organization that uses questionable means, tactics and polls to drive their agenda.
I dare the author to check them out.
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Jerry Bourbon
05:30 PM on 10/23/2011
It would seem to me that if someone is "too dangerous" to legally buy a gun, then they are also "too dangerous" to be walking around the street. (I mean, they might exploit the "gun show loophole" and ILLEGALLY buy a gun.

Wouldn't it make more sense to establish humane internment camps for these people. I mean, they wouldn't be there if the President did not think they were "terrorists", and we all know we can trust our President.
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Jerry Bourbon
11:22 PM on 10/20/2011
Funny. Most of the comments from pro-firearms freedom people tend to be hard on statistics, constitutional law, and what the commentators evaluate as "freedom".

On the anti-gun side, one finds entirely too much fantisizing about the size of gun owners' genitalia, and general insults and incoherence.
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JimInHouston
Arma virumque cano...
05:10 PM on 10/31/2011
Why should this blog be any different?
06:00 PM on 10/20/2011
As a violence policy advocate, it’s important to note that none of what I write is personal conjecture but instead comes from the study of statistics, polls, and opinion found through research of web sites on the Internet. It’s come to my attention that gun owners belong to the NRA and are Tea Party Insurrectionists Extremist Gunophile Fetishists. It’s also notable that they will often give up their families, careers, and even their life to have “Wild West” type shootouts over minor disputes such as parking spots or to compensate for some other shortcoming. Again, this is not personal conjecture but consensus among the public as verified in the Comments sections of several web sites. That’s not to say that they don’t favor common sense civilian disarmament polices such as the prohibition of AK-47 Assault Weapons since they can now safely be considered Weapons of Mass Destruction, and have no civilian use, or the reasonable ban of Glock brand machine pistols since they have no militia use and therefore, are not protected by the Second Amendment. This information comes from recent polling. Of course we shouldn’t overlook high power, armor penetrating , 9mm ammunition as well. I would like to join my peers and urge legislators at every level to Dis the Deadly Myths and Reclaim the Constitution, by proposing sensible and reasonable policies that register and eventually disarm the public though no one is talking about handgun bans.

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rikilii
Hush, was the first word you were taught...
06:00 PM on 10/20/2011
Odd, I skimmed through the comments on your gun blog, and didn't see any profanity or "bullying tactics", much less in "most of the comments" arguing against you.
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breyeschow
blogger, presbyterian, dad
11:27 AM on 10/21/2011
Really, I think questioning people's intellect and the tone of most of the anti-gun-control folks very much has a bullying tone. As far as profanity, I usually delete f-bombs because my kids read what I write.
rikilii
Hush, was the first word you were taught...
04:20 PM on 10/21/2011
I take it you deleted those as well, because with maybe one iffy exception, I don't see them anywhere.  I guess it's pretty easy for you to make the claim when no one else can rebut it.  But if you care to provide 1 or 2 examples of anti-gun control people questioning people's intellect or using a bullying or condescending tone, I'd be happy to give you 10 examples anti-gun people doing the same.
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Jerry Bourbon
01:17 PM on 10/23/2011
You might want to visit the comments section of the present "Chicks with Guns" article. The number of disgusting fantasies about penis size, transexuals and general depravity put up by the gun-grabbers is, well, disgusting.