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Posted: September 7, 2008 12:22 PM

Sarah Palin's Churches and The Third Wave: New Video Documentary

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[ Update: documentation (sourcing) on video clips used in the following video documentary, plus supporting documentation on the Third Wave movement, can be found here at Talk To Action ]

Sarah Palin's churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same 'Spiritual Warfare' movement that was featured in the award winning movie, "Jesus Camp," which showed young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin's churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to as The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic Reformation. The movement is training a young "Joel's Army" to take dominion over the United States and the world.

Along with her entire family, Sarah Palin was re-baptized at twelve at the Wasilla Assembly of God in Wasilla, Alaska and she attended the church from the time she was ten until 2002: over two and 1/2 decades. Sarah Palin's extensive pattern of association with the Wasilla Assembly of God has continued nearly up to the day she was picked by Senator John McCain as a vice-presidential running mate. Palin's dedication to the Wasilla church is indicated by a Saturday, September 7, 2008, McClatchy news service story detailing possibly improper use of state travel funds by Palin for a trip she made to Wasilla, Alaska to attend, on June 8, 2008, both a Wasilla Assembly of God "Masters Commission" graduation ceremony and also a multi-church Wasilla area event known as "One Lord Sunday." At the latter event, Palin and Alaska LT Governor Scott Parnell were publicly blessed, onstage before an estimated crowd of 6,000, through the "laying on of hands" by Wasilla Assembly of God's Head Pastor Ed Kalnins whose sermons espouse such theological concepts as the possession of geographic territories by demonic spirits and the inter-generational transmission of family "curses". Palin has also been blessed, or "anointed," by an African cleric, prominent in the Third Wave movement, who has repeatedly visited the Wasilla Assembly of God and claims to have effected positive, dramatic social change in a Kenyan town by driving out a "spirit of witchcraft."

The Wasilla Assembly of God church is deeply involved with both Third Wave activities and theology. Their Master's Commission program is part of an three year post-high school international training program with studies in prophecy, intercessory prayer, Biblical exegesis, authority and leadership. The pastor, Ed Kalnins, and Masters Commission students have traveled to South Carolina to participate in a "prophetic conference" at Morningstar Ministries, one of the major ministries of the Third Wave movement. Becky Fischer was a pastor at Morningstar prior to being featured in the movie "Jesus Camp." The head of prophecy at Morningstar, Steve Thompson, is currently scheduled to do a prophecy seminar at the Wasilla Assembly of God. Other major leaders in the movement have also traveled to Wasilla to visit and speak at the church.

The Third Wave is a revival of the theology of the Latter Rain tent revivals of the 1950s and 1960s led by William Branham and others. It is based on the idea that in the end times there will be an outpouring of supernatural powers on a group of Christians that will take authority over the existing church and the world. The believing Christians of the world will be reorganized under the Fivefold Ministry and the church restructured under the authority of Prophets and Apostles and others anointed by God. The young generation will form "Joel's Army" to rise up and battle evil and retake the earth for God.

While segments of this belief system have been a part of Pentecostalism and charismatic beliefs for decades, the excesses of this movement were declared a heresy in 1949 by the General Council of the Assemblies of God, and again condemned through Resolution 16 in 2000. The beliefs and manifestations of the movement include the use of 'strategic level spiritual warfare' to expel territorial demons from American and world cities. Worship includes excessive charismatic manifestations such as hundreds of people falling, 'slain in the spirit,' and congregations laughing, jerking, and shrieking uncontrollably.

In early 2008 an outbreak of those phenomena commenced at the palatial former ministry estate of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker, recently bought up and restored by prominent Third Wave author and leader Rick Joyner's Morningstar Ministries. The (spiritual) "breakout" lasted for many weeks and was publicized in an extensive collection of video footage available on YouTube. Healing services in the Third Wave movement claim to heal the sick and injured through methods that in some cases can appear bizarre - including, as in recent cases involving Todd Bentley, the patient being head butted or kicked by the anointed healer. Recipients of such "spiritual" or miraculous healing make a wide range of astonishing claims - to have been cured of life-threatening illnesses, had joints repaired or replaced, been given gold teeth or gold fillings, regrown stunted limbs and even had deformed skeletal structures straightened and reshaped. Worldwide mission efforts of the movement are built around the idea of combating witches, warlocks, and generational curses, which prevent churches from being able to take root.

Thomas Muthee visited Wasilla Assembly of God and gave 10 consecutive sermons at the church, from October 11-16 2005. As both Palin and Wasilla AoG Head Pastor Ed Kalnins have attested, Thomas Muthee 'prayed over' Sarah Palin and entreated God to "make a way" prior to Palin's successful bid for the Alaska governorship. Muthee made a return visit to the Wasilla Assembly of God in late 2008. Thomas Muthee's Word of Faith Church is featured in the "Transformations" video which details an account on how Muthee drove "the spirit of witchcraft" out of Kiambu, Kenya, liberating the town from its territorial demonic possession and enabling a miraculous societal transformation. The "Transformations" video set is used as an argument for social improvement through spiritual instead of human means, and as the best method for fighting corruption, crime, drugs and even environmental degradation.

In the video, producer George Otis declares that after Thomas Muthee and his followers banished the "spirit of witchcraft" from the town, the crime rate in Kiambu dropped almost to zero, along with the rate of alcoholism, and according to Otis most of the residents of the town joined churches. The "Transformations" video has helped spark a network of 'Transformation' ministries and mission organizations and 'transformation' has become a buzz word for change based on supernatural instead of human efforts.

The Third Wave, also known as the New Apostolic Reformation, is a network of Apostles, many of them grouped around C. Peter Wagner, founder of the World Prayer Center. This center, which was built in coordination with Ted Haggard and his New Life Church in Colorado Springs, was featured in an article by Jeff Sharlet in Harpers, May 2005, "Soldiers of Christ." Sharlet was one of the first to write in the secular press about the World Prayer Center which is often referred to by those familiar with the Third Wave as the 'Pentagon for Spiritual Warfare.' It features computer systems that store the data of communities around the world, mapping out unsaved peoples' groups and spiritual mapping information for spiritual warfare. Wagner has his own group of about 500 Apostles in his council and each of these Apostles has ministries under their authority, sometimes hundreds or thousands. Recently various networks of Apostles came together to form the Revival Alliance. Leaders of the Revival Alliance including Rick Joyner of Morningstar anointed Todd Bentley whose Lakeland Healing Revival has recently been a controversial topic in the Evangelical world.

Wagner's top leaders often conduct spiritual warfare campaigns against the demons that block the acceptance of their brand of Christian belief, such as 'Operation Ice Castle' in the Himalayas in 1997. Several of their top prophets and generals of intercession spent weeks in intensive prayer to "confront the Queen of Heaven." This queen is considered by them to be one of the most powerful demons over the earth and is the Great Harlot of Mystery Babylon in Revelation. (The "Great Harlot [or 'whore'] of Mystery Babylon" theme also figures prominently in the sermons of Texas megachurch pastor and Christians United For Israel founder John Hagee, former endorser of John McCain's 2008 presidential bid.) Wagner and his group also claim that the Queen of Heaven is Diana, the pagan god of the biblical book Ephesians and the god of Mary veneration in the Roman Catholic Church. Following the 'Operation Ice Castle' prayer excursion which included planting a flag for Jesus on Mt. Everest, one of the lead prayer intercessors from the excursion, Ana Mendez, reported that there had been dramatic results including, "millions have come to faith in Asia... and other things happened which I believe are also connected...an earthquake had destroyed the basilica of Assisi, where the Pope had called a meeting of all world religions; a hurricane destroyed the infamous temple 'Baal-Christ' in Acapulco, Mexico; the Princes Diana died... and Mother Theresa died in India, one of the most famous advocates of Mary as Co-Redeemer."

Church of the Rock, led by Senior Pastor David Pepper, has taken their youth to participate in 'The Call, Nashville.' This event is held at various locations around the country under the leadership of Lou Engle, also featured in the movie "Jesus Camp." At these events youth are worked into a frenzy of anger and consternation at supposed national moral corruption. Engle, who shuffles while he preaches in imitation of Jewish prayer, is featured toward the end of the "Jesus Camp" video documentary.

Mike Rose, senior pastor of Juneau Christian Center has a long relationship with Rodney Howard -Browne, credited with being the instigator of the outbreak of 'Holy Laughter' around the world, including the Toronto Airport Revival.

The Third Wave movement is cross-denomination and is not synonymous with any specific denomination, nor is it synonymous with Evangelical or Fundamentalist. Although the movement emerged from Pentecostalism, it draws its support from a variety of denominations and religious streams. They believe they are forming a post-denominational church to take the world for the end times. To date, all of the writing and objections to this movement have emerged from other Evangelicals and Fundamentalists who believe the movement to be unbiblical. Also, it is other conservative churches that refuse to embrace the 'outpouring of the Spirit' that are targets of much of the anger of the movement.

You can find more information on the Third Wave movement and additional links to the activities of Palin's churches on www.Talk2action.org in the following articles:


Sarah Palin's Churches and the Third Wave, Part One

Sarah Palin's Churches and the Third Wave, Part Two (with embedded video.)

The video is also posted here.

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Documentation of the Video and Supporting Articles
Sarah Palin's Churches and the Third Wave
Also posted as Palin's Demon Haunted Churches

Video Clips
(Note that all video clips are taken from original sources or sources promoting and supporting the Third Wave/New Apostolic Reformation.)

Bishop Thomas Muthee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBvxWl7jXr0
Transformations I, Trailer
George Otis, Sentinel Group

Morningstar Ministries clips including cellphone anointing, portal to Jesus
http://www.prophetic.tv/morningstar/
Holy Spirit Breakout Day # 1 and 2, Day #9, and Week #15
On Prophetic TV, Morningstar Ministries full Breakout series

Wasilla Master's Commission
http://www.mcwasillaalaska.com/
Main website with links to Master's Commission, Master's Commission videos and photos

Wasilla AoG bulletin graphics, Wasilla AoG sermons, Wasilla AoG videos
http://www.wasillaag.org/
Wasilla Assembly of God main site clips used:

Music repeated in video and sermon with chants of `Jesus, Jesus'
Wasilla AoG sermon by Pastor Todd Stafford, "In Desperate Times", January 15, 2007.

Master's Commission Graduation Ceremony, June 8, 2008
Sarah Palin giving Master's Commission speech
Posted on the Wasilla AoG site on June 8, 2008

Anointing of Leaders from auxiliary site
http://app.razorplanet.com/acct/40149-8554/tmpl/index.php?s=gl&am p;nid=53521&preview=true
From Wasilla AoG links to site

Quote about demonic strongholds and generational curses
Ed Kalnins, sermon, September 26, 2004
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:gF16SYYnXC0J:www.wasillaag.n et/2004.html+Kalnins,Canaanite&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1& ;gl=us

Lou Engle, Rick Joyner from Underground
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7sSZ7Ux3Hg
Underground by www.underthethreshold
Production of Brian Wages, Music/Art Director, Oakleaf Christian Fellowship

Photos at Our Hand at Youth Conference 2008
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile& amp;friendID=49580719
Photos posted on site of Wasilla AoG staff member, Buster Barlow

`One Lord Sunday'
http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=153
Event photos from Wasilla AoG posted on Alaska State Government website

[ Update: documentation (sourcing) on video clips used in the following video documentary, plus supporting documentation on the Third Wave movement, can be found here at Talk To Action ] ...
[ Update: documentation (sourcing) on video clips used in the following video documentary, plus supporting documentation on the Third Wave movement, can be found here at Talk To Action ] ...
 
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Have any of these Republican (mostly) Fundamentalist, Pro Death penalty, Anti Abortion, Born Again, Gun Nuts, heard of separation of Church and State.
America does not have a state sanctioned religion yet!
Sarah Palin and her bizzarre religious beliefs are her business, but when you run for taxpayer funded office they become public for any candidate.
Yes she scares us who don't even live in your great country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:24 PM on 09/09/2008

How any thinking person would not find Sarah Palin a frighteningperson is beyond me. She is incredibly arrogant and that comes across when she speaks. Oh yes, she is self-assured. But that's because she is certain that she is always right. Typical religious fanatic.
Sadly, her increasing political status ( something that would be wonderful for women who've worked their way up the ladder of achievement) has made Palin more arrogant, more self-righteous, more fanatical.
Pit bull with lipstick! Sarah Barracuda! These descriptions are certainly appropriate of this horrible person.
Yet the narrow-minded and bigoted and fearful who are looking for a mommy to take care of them will, more than likely, vote for McCain and, consequently, for her.
Woe to America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 09/09/2008
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beautifully put!!
arrogant...good word,,fits McCain too
he does not like to be questioned!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 09/09/2008
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That is the joke in the whole McCain_Palin ticket!
John McCain who is a bit of a chauvinist is only using
Sarah for the good of the GOP, she will have very little
to say IF the ticket wins. John McCain will surely let
her know very quickly he is the President and will
dismiss her with no apologies!!
They are from the same mold... boy, will the feathers fly!!
They deserve each other!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 09/09/2008

Yes, I to recognize that there is something worse than a man that can't get anything right . . . it's a woman who is never wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 PM on 09/09/2008
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I am a Christian and she scares me.
They held Obama accountable for things his FORMER pastor said
Why are they not holding PALIN responsible for things she HERSELF said in this ultraconservative church????!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:36 PM on 09/09/2008
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I agree with Dutch163, They played Rev. Wright over and over on the (LOL Liberal MSM).
Why haven't they played the tape from her church, if The Huffington Post can get this video,
where is The Main Stream Media... who had a field day with Barack Obama! Her Church
has a program called "Spiritual Warfare!" Watch it under Bruce Wilson column
on The Huffington Post, I believe it was Mondays column.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 09/09/2008
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Get that tape and air it, quick.. Reverend Wright already came back into the news today and this will give the Repubs a great opportunity to air all those great speeches again,. Keep up the good work!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 AM on 09/10/2008

If Dems are smart they wont. This is part of the Republicans evangelical base. They hope in their wildest dreams this gets out. Because it is who they hope rallies once again to the polls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 09/09/2008

I'm a Christian and she scares me too. Moreover I'm a member of an Assembly of God church and her church scares me. I'm an evangelical, pentecostal, but I'm not politically bound to utraconservative politics, nor is my church. I'm sad to here this is going on in Wasilla. It's not going on here in W, Pa, Assemblies, at least as far as I know. It apparently is one of those excesses which periodically attacks our churches but usually eventually splits off and fizzles out..

But a future possible Vice-President even being a part of such a congregation scares me. I wuold run like h*** if it happened in my church. By comparison Rev. Wright is just a well-intentioned but apparently very angry man, something that clearly didn't rub off on Obama. I subscribe to Obama's values reports and I know from that that I am not the only Assembly of God parishioner in his camp either. In my opinion, he is the true person of "faith" in this election. He may not believe everything I believe, but there's no fakery there, and as a whole, he much better represents my Christian principles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 09/10/2008
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"Palin has also been blessed, or "anointed," by an African cleric, prominent in the Third Wave movement, who has repeatedly visited the Wasilla Assembly of God and claims to have effected positive,"

Bruce, or anyone. We are trying to pull all these threads together. Who is the African Cleric?
I have been notifying everyone from Barry Lynn to Michael Moore about this.

Someone has to find the smoking gun that ties Palin to Todd Bentley, Rick Joyner, or any of these extremists. Why is it that no one is asknig just now this particular Third Waver turns out to be McCain's running mate. I think that Reed, Dobson, and others may have had the drop of McCain, possibly about the Abramoff details that he buried in his Senate Committee hearings, and they threatened to bring them to light if he didn't take Palin into the White House. Tthe Dominionists are on record as seeking just that..

So what happens after McCain is president? Does he not wake up one day, and Palin announces a new national "Masters Commission" for the youth of America, or decides a conflagration in Palestine is god's will?

Why isn't anyone digging much more DEEPLY into this? I made a YouTube Palin Pentecostal video that helped alert CNN and others. But I'm nobody. Where the hell are all the somebodies? If you know them, please get them into this fray before we wake up to President Palein and her American Theocracy--or worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 09/09/2008

I just watched the video.. I am now convinced.. we need a 3rd party running for the White House. God for President, Jesus for vice president, communicating with us all by cell phone. Destroy the computers, telivisions, and radios.Radiation from cell phones will be America's new 'drug of choice' and fry our brains into oblivian.. and we will talk to each other in 'tounge'.. because our brains will cease to function at some point.. but we will still be able to 'taste' if you are American, Chinese, Mexican, or Italian.. I wonder what 'Gay' tastes like? hehe This is just TOOOO funny!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 09/09/2008

OK, let’s get real with the stereotypes. Conservatives are “afraid” of a black man who has a name like “Hussein” because they equate it with muslims in an equation that goes like this:

Barack Hussein Obama = Black Man + Arabic Name = Muslim = 9/11 = Armageddon (if you don’t vote for John McCain).

Progressives are “afraid” of a Republican white-haired dude who latches onto a right-wing evangelical woman to win over Christian voters even if that means embracing members of cult-like churches who claim moral superiority based on the worship of Jesus as the only savior, promoting the concept that "Christian values" should form the core and determine the direction of the U.S. government. Our equation goes something like this:

John McCain + Sarah Palin = Scary Cult-Like Prophecy Church Members = Predictions of Armageddon = Alaska as an “End of Days” refuge for U.S. citizens in the “lower 48” + a gigantic pipeline minus the bridge to nowhere = What the hell???? (if you vote for John McCain)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 09/09/2008
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Now, which one makes sense?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 09/10/2008
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Why do the GOP get to talk about how great Palin is on one hand and then say that the battle is at the top of the ticket on the other hand?

Ebb and flow on what is important. Palin is definitely the hearbeat for both candidates.

Introduce her to the press. If she were really ready she would have already. That is not an opinion. Palin is m ore entertainment and less on the issues. Why hide?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 09/09/2008

Man, this is the scariest crap I have ever seen. They make snake handlers look like very normal people. Crazy, nuts, fanatic. The wailing and screaming in the one scene was like a peek into hell or an insane asylum. What a bunch of freaks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 09/09/2008
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No....it's an attack ONLY on Radical Evangelical Cultgroups.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 09/09/2008

To me it seems that the Obama operation, has turn into "JELLYFISH"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 09/10/2008
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And people are scared of Black Liberation Theology? LOL. This makes Rev. Wright look like Mr. Rogers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 09/09/2008
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These people think they are helping Israel - but many have no idea that a number of these radicals were actually thrown OUT of Israel for their rambunctious, trouble-making.

If Bush is "doing God's work", all I can say is he's only making it MORE difficult for the people of the Middle East - - - and with the Bush (ooops!) Mc-Cain/Palin ticket will be even more exasperated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 09/09/2008

4 Reasons Democrats have everything to gain from the rise of
Sara Palin in National Politics.

AND

4 Reasons Democrats & Obama Campaign should praise
Sara Palin for being a 'DO-GOODER' politician.

http://www.e-paperview.com/4reasons.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 09/09/2008
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Read this!! I am a Christian...and I find this type of influence in our government very scary indeed. I am pro Israel...I believe in the end times..I believe that Christ died for our sins.I believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, but NOWHERE in the Bible does it tell us to actively pursue this type of violence. I also believe that Armageddon will be on God's timetable...not ours....and that it will be on His terms. Our government has no business trying to bring about Armageddon. That will take care of itself! This is like Armedinajad (Sp?) over in Iran...trying to bring the Mahdi into the world.

This country was fought for and founded based on the idea of religious freedom. If there are people in the world who believe this way, that's OK....but this type of thinking, especialy as it relates to Mid East policies, which are complex and delicate, does not belong in our government.

Go http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4630xt/4630

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 09/09/2008
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....just remember a particular verse: "They think they do me honor with their lips.....but their heart is FAR REMOVED from me."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:46 AM on 09/09/2008

Thank you for that verse. I have listened to people talk about believing and following Jesus, and that the majority of them only talk about "believing" and "accepting" Jesus into their hearts, and they think that by doing only that, they will be allowed into heaven, and that makes them superior to others. I have rarely heard any of them say they should follow the teachings of Jesus. i.e., I guess they think that all they have to do is say his name over and over again, then turn around and hate everyone who doesn't do the same. They really truly need to ask themselves, "What would Jesus do?"

Isaiah 29:13: “Therefore the Lord said, ‘Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths And honor Me with their lips, But have removed their hearts far from Me, And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men.’”

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 09/09/2008
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Amen! Amen! Amen! The reactionary right-wingers icing political and social agenda with Scriptures and under the banner of Christianity are being flushed out. The Word also says that "everything hidden" would be revealed...that includes motives and hearts. Really if disciples of Christ are to tell the truth to those outside the faith, we would be to confess "our sins have found us out" and the cover for our deceptions is too short, political correctness notwithstanding. The power of race and the old secret establishments in some sectors of our society are dominant and yet our scholarly journalists and pundits keep placing the burden on Obama to make the connection. Why are the people not connecting to the facts that have led to their unemployment, absence of health care etc., etc. but are connecting to half-truths and appeals to their fears? That's not the messenger's problem, its the hearers' hearts and issues.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 09/09/2008
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Palin's religious veiws are so vile, so ignorant, those views alone should be reason enough for her to loose her bid for presidency.

Is the Creationism in school thing real? Is she really Bush part 2? Is creationism even considered intelegent? If you tried to teach my kids creationism, you would be instantly corrected.

Having Palin with her, at best, average education, combined with her religious views is anti-American. Just like Katrina had shown the country that New Orleans has some problems that no one knew about, Palin is showing that Alaska has problems too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 09/09/2008

First, FactCheck.org has her views on creationism:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

Next, if you are so upset about Palin's church, might I recommend you take a closer look at Obama's. If we are to compare churches, I think I'll take Palin's any day of the week.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 AM on 09/09/2008
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Thank you for the post.

"Debate" creationism vs. evolution in school. One is real the other is a story. It would figure that a girl who spent 5-6 years and 5-6 schools to get a BA in Journolism would think that is a debate.

My point is that her intelegence is weak compared to her drama or entertainment value. There is no debate about how intelegent you have to be to get her level of education. For her path, only money vs. lack of it is the limiting factor to accomplishing her education goal. Who would hope that their kid/s boy/girl would go that path for their education?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 09/09/2008

.....it is soooo scary, these evangelicals....the dominionists, reconstructionists, and the
Third Wave followers......all other religious groups...please wake up! These group have
a political agenda, since it is their belief they are destined by God to have dominion ove
all, and everything else...including the US government!........see what goes on in the Wasilla
church....really weird, and could be demonic...!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 AM on 09/09/2008
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