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Debt Collection Agencies Gone Wild

Posted: 06/ 2/11 12:39 PM ET

As Elizabeth Warren says, "Nothing will ever replace the role of personal responsibility." Just as the FDA doesn't prevent overdoses, the point of consumer protection regulations isn't to come to the rescue of people who simply don't want to pay back the money they owe. But debt collection agencies have started using outrageous tactics to get payments on debt. These companies buy up bad debt from lenders -- credit card companies, phone companies, health care providers, you name it -- for cheap and then hunt down the money owed in order to turn a profit. And in doing so, some act more like organized crime than private businesses.

They harass consumers with threats and obscenities. Complaints about debt collectors filed with the Federal Trade Commission, the agency tasked with regulating these operations, rose by about 17% in 2010, which is nearly three times the number of complaints filed in 2002. They account for 27% of all those lodged with the FTC. And of the 54,147 consumers complaining to state level authorities in South Carolina, 4,182 said debt collectors had threatened violence. In 2005, 8,000 consumers told the FTC that debt collectors had used obscene or profane language, according to "Up To Our Eyeballs." But it's not always just about outright harassment. It's also a mind game. A former debt collector has anonymously blogged about some of the tactics he used, describing how he would "sound educated enough to perform some sort of legal action" by dropping four important phrases: office, file, client, and flat refusal to pay. This careful use of language was often enough to scare consumers into coughing up some money.

Debt collectors put people in jail. The Minneapolis StarTribune reported that "the use of arrest warrants against debtors has jumped 60 percent over the past four years, with 845 cases in 2009." The Wall Street Journal found similar numbers:

More than a third of all U.S. states allow borrowers who can't or won't pay to be jailed. Judges have signed off on more than 5,000 such warrants since the start of 2010 in nine counties with a total population of 13.6 million people, according to a tally by The Wall Street Journal of filings in those counties.


This has resulted in people being jailed for owing as little as $85, while the rising number of cases has clogged law enforcement computer systems, making it harder for police to work on hard crimes.

And in a sign of the times, debt collection agencies have started using social media as a weapon. One man reported that he checked in at a restaurant on foursquare, tipping the debt collectors off to his location, and they repossessed his car while he ate. They also sign up for accounts on Facebook and friend debtors -- and while Brad Klein, president of the Arizona Collector's Association, points out that they can't misrepresent themselves or send messages or comments without violating laws, they use it to find phone numbers and home addresses. Meanwhile, they can send emails without violating the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.

Why is the industry deploying such aggressive, quasi-legal tactics to hunt down debt? Because it's a very lucrative business. The industry as a whole made $11.7 billion in revenue last year. Portfolio Recovery Associates, a debt buyer, alone made $44 million on $281 million in revenue, a 16% net margin. This is because that company pays about 2.5 cents for every dollar of bad debt it purchases, but it makes back about 7.5 cents. That profit has jumped from $402,000 in 1998, mostly because so many more lenders are selling bad debt in order to write it off. Even the business community sees this as a golden opportunity: in the third quarter of 2005, private equity firms and venture capitalists invested $1.6 billion in it.

Those who take out loans and lines of credit are responsible for paying back what they owe. But the debt collection industry has run amok in the practices it deploys to get repaid. We need some cops on the beat to rein them in.

Cross-posted from New Deal 2.0.

 

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As Elizabeth Warren says, "Nothing will ever replace the role of personal responsibility." Just as the FDA doesn't prevent overdoses, the point of consumer protection regulations isn't to come to the ...
As Elizabeth Warren says, "Nothing will ever replace the role of personal responsibility." Just as the FDA doesn't prevent overdoses, the point of consumer protection regulations isn't to come to the ...
 
 
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07:23 PM on 07/08/2011
The use of the word "most" concerns me, as there is no data that supports that "most" collection agencies act aggressively, harass people or act unprofessionally. Even an increase in people "jailed" can be manipulated as it alone doesn't tell all the facts. Numbers are up across the board due to the economy. To pull out one statistic to use against (or for) an industry is irresponsible. While the number of debtors jailed may be up (I can't prove or disprove that claim), so is the number of people stiffing the creditor, business owner or service provider. Yet, as one of the highest regulated industries there are, there are fewer issues than ever before.

While I advocate for the business or business owner whose cash flow has been affected by slow-paying or non-paying debtors (yet they have bills to pay of their own), I don't get the type of complaints noted. On the contrary, I get letters and feedback thanking me for being professional, compassionate and caring.

There are rotten apples in every industry, but that doesn't mean the whole barrel, or even much of the barrel, is rotten.
02:35 PM on 06/08/2011
I don't think debt collectors are the problem :)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/08/swat-team-breaks-down-ken_n_873171.html
04:50 PM on 06/06/2011
Re: Facebook and emails. While I do not subscribe to any form of privacy violation or any sort of deceptive tactic, what is wrong with a debt collector using information that someone put on FB if that person put it out for the world to see? You cannot claim privacy when you have posted it on FB with no restrictions. Also, many creditors ask their clients to sign a statement when they enter into an agreement that if they don't pay their bill, any information they provide will be forwarded along with the collection file. Again, if you do not want your information shared DON"T PUT IT OUT THERE.
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jcaunter
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01:06 PM on 06/03/2011
Now I am not a lawyer, but this worked for me. If you are being harassed by debt collectors, you need to learn the FDCPA like the back of your hand. If you know it, you can almost always lure debt collectors into making multiple violations of this federal law, each one of which entitles you to $1,000 dollars of statutorily defined damages costs once you sue them in court.

Don't be a victim. Be the hunter.
04:44 PM on 06/06/2011
lure debt collectors? the law was not intended as a bait and switch. you would be no better than the ones you claim are the violators.
This is why FDCPA claims are on the rise. Some people set themselves up as cottage industries on hyper-technical violations. Meanwhile, the debt buyers and the big offshore collectors - no to mention the banks and credit card companies (all of whom are not subject to the FDCPA) are the real ones running wild. This is the new ambulance chasing gig for attorneys. Those are the ones getting rich. They get big attorney fees and the "poor" debtors get 1000. Now that is a scam!!
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JoeyDee2
I know what just passed here
11:47 AM on 06/03/2011
I am debt-free (the only way to beat the system!). Three years after I moved out of an apartment, an agency began calling, saying I owed the apt. management $242. They refused to say what for or why. This was nonsense because I moved to another apartment and they do background checks. If I had owed money I would not have been approved.

During one call, the rep told me to shut up. I had two words for him and it wasn't happy birthday.

It's interesting to note that people sometimes do not receive bills from the original party. The agencies just start calling.

Note the following if this happens to you:

- According to the Federal Trade Commission, a written statement must follow within five business days of the first call. Not doing so is a violation of Federal law. They did not.

- There is a statute of limitations applied in these cases (informed of a debt for the first time three years after the fact).

- File complaints with the Better Business Bureau, the State Attorney General’s office and as I stated The Federal Trade Commission, and state these actions in a letter to the agency.

And then at the end of the letter, refer them to your attorney. The harassing calls stopped. Of course, following the bad penny theory, they or someone else will be back.

To those who think we regulate business in excess, I hope you get these calls. Maybe you'll change your tune.
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
11:40 AM on 06/03/2011
My husband and I faced a lot of medical bills for a while, even though we have insurance, and I confess that I tended to let the flood of statements die down, sometimes waiting a little too long, before trying to sort out the bottom line and get it all paid.

Add to that the hospital seeming to forget to tell the insurer that they made us pay $500 up front, and the insurer out of the blue refusing to cover anything more until I told them for the umpteenth time that we pay the exorbitant cost of the insurance because we depend upon it and we still do not have any other insurance.

Much to my embarrassment, one of these bills went to collection. I paid it but that company flatly refused to give me any receipt that would make any reference to the originator or the fact that it was a medical bill. Neither could they offer any proof that their demand was legitimate, not just a case of stolen or made up information. It happened with one other bill, and I refused to pay it, instead calling the hospital and telling them I would only pay them directly. They were fine with that, and I would advise anybody in a similar situation to do the same.
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teachone
Knowledge is Power
10:52 AM on 06/03/2011
More crooks! These, people and these companies need to be monitored and the laws enforced by the FTC by throwing them in jail, stop talking about their lawless conduct, while you turn the other cheek, and enforce the fines on them they deserve, including jail time, lets see how they like being treated so unethically and immorally. Also, any judge the would participate in such conduct has no business being a judge and should be removed from their seat as they are not following the law either, these people think they ARE the law or are ABOVE the law, they do not have enough morals or ethics to enforce the law in a fair and lawful manner and if their desire and greed for money is causing them to do such, they need to get mental and spiritual counseling!! They are truely inhumane and repulsive!
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ritamary
10:07 AM on 06/03/2011
"More than a third of all U.S. states allow borrowers who can't or won't pay to be jailed." So now we have returned to the Dickensian institution of debtors' prison. What's next? Indentured servitude?
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JoeyDee2
I know what just passed here
12:30 PM on 06/03/2011
We're already there. Know what? Jail me. Then I can get health care.
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AcademicFreedom
Often banned; always factual
08:56 AM on 06/03/2011
These tactics are necessary in order to do things like pay Rahm $300K for a short stint at Fannie Mae and to pay for Dodd's low interest rate home loan.
08:49 AM on 06/03/2011
Nobody put a gun to these people's head and made them loan money to anyone. They did it because CD's pay 1% and they can charge 30% or more in interest. When people have their rates jacked up like some weird sort of rheostat, lo and behold the banks are surprised, shocked, stunned that people don't pay and they start singing the personal responsibility song. Give me a break. They took a business risk and lost. Period. Now go away.
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AllShookUp
Hug A Hater
02:21 PM on 06/03/2011
Businesses go bankrupt all the time. I didn't see anyone from Wall Street or GM or Chrysler go to jail for not paying their debts. In fact, they were rewarded.
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TXfemmom
Grandma with eye on the future
08:28 AM on 06/03/2011
I started receiving calls for collection of debts for a woman with the same name as I. I had learned of her almost fifteen years ago, when some of her information had incorrectly been placed on my credit and it tooks hours of research and work and letters and I finally had to get an attorney to get her information off my credit. The name was the same, first, middle, and last, but nothing else matched. The addresses were not mine, the SS# was different, and all other facets of the thing were different, and finally, I uncovered the fact that we were of a different race entirely. The institutions even had driver's license numbers and they were different. In one case, with one of these public finance companies, I had to show up in person and spend four hours with one of their people in order to finally get a letter, on the spot, from them to send to the credit people to get her information removed from my record. Whenever we get a mortgage or something now, I have to sign a document which states that I am not that person. Then, I once again started receiving aggressive calls, so I recorded the calls and the rants and the threats, after I had told them I was not the person involved and had proved it to the people about the debt involved and told them not to call. Because of threats involved, I filed a criminal complaint with the police and the prosecuting attorney and only then did the threats and calls stop. In one case, I was able to learn the name of the company and their physical location, and when I told them that I knew the name of the company involved and their location, and since we hadn't been able to resolve the face that they shouldn't be calling me and it was not my debt, that it appeared that I was going to have to come to their facility, physically and personally, to get the issue remedied. I said it very sweetly and nicely, no threat in my voice, as I knew I couldn't stoop to their level, but there was this hesitation on the part of the person on the other line, and then they said they would see I was removed from their call list and see that my information was flagged as not being the person in question. I do wish that woman would get married and change her name. I now have a quarterly report and a notification system on my credit which guards against her information being put on mine, but it always hangs out there over me.
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Michael Morrison
Proud Dad, Engineer, Aspring Geophysicist
05:38 AM on 06/03/2011
I have been debt free for many years, but I get abusive calls from debt collectors a couple of times a week. They won't take I'm not that guy for an answer, and the numbers that appear on the caller ID are bogus.

I'm sure a lot of folks have the same problem.
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Jim Pasterczyk
Banned!
04:09 AM on 06/03/2011
I thought there was a federal law against this kind of thing. But that's right, the agency enforcing it was probably defunded by the Repos since it interfered with business.
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BankOfHell
I know little of women. But I've heard dread tales
12:39 AM on 06/03/2011
They'll be out of business once the Teapublicans re-establish debtors prisons again.
10:32 PM on 06/02/2011
We get calls almost daily from agencies looking for different people with the same last name we have. Every one says if we continue listening we are acknowledging that we are those people. Of course, they're talking to our voice recorder which doesn't know how to hang up. If we don't call them back they'll call every day. I'm about ready to pull the plug on my home phone.
01:13 AM on 06/03/2011
In a previous existence I was a bill collector. I was broke and trying to pay for college. I did it for about a year and a half. Anyway, there are things that you can do to stop the calls. I do not want to give you the exact advice since I have not worked collections for over a decade. However, if you search on the internet I am sure you can find advice on how to get the calls to stop.

FYI my new phone number used to belong to a deadbeat so I have had to deal with this too.
03:34 PM on 06/09/2011
Btroll, those messages are in compliance with a recent court decision called FOTI - google it. Those people are trying to do it the right way. Call them and tell them that they are calling the wrong number, and follow up in writing. That should resolve it. Unfortunately these days, phone numbers are reassigned so quickly it is easy to get the number of someone who owes money. I had this issue with a backline at my business, and I got it resolved by calling them. If you don't call and correct the issue, they have no other choice but to assume the number is valid.