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The Global Search for Education: The New Chinese Education

Posted: 05/23/11 02:00 PM ET

"The new China is strongly making for good," proclaimed my great great Uncle George E. Morrison (NY Times feature article, 1912) who advised the Chinese leadership during the formation of the first Republic. Dr. Morrison's speeches about the vision of his Chinese friends at the turn of the 20th century remind me of Henry Kissinger's remarks about China's determination to continue its remarkable economic growth in his new book, On China. President Obama recently described China as a "strong, prosperous and successful member of the community of nations." And educators will not forget Education Secretary Arne Duncan referring to Shanghai ranking #1 on PISA, the global standardized academic test, as a "wake-up call" for education reform in the American system.

Meanwhile, in China, the national newspapers published the comments of a Chinese mother passionately complaining about the long hours her child was spending on school work. Is this a nation of Tiger Mom test takers who only memorize what teachers and textbooks say, or is this also a nation of creators and innovators?

I had the great honor of interviewing the highly esteemed Professor Minxuan Zhang, director-general of the Center for International Education Studies, Ministry of Education, China, and national project manager of PISA.

What kind of education system will permit China to have the human skills to compete globally?

I do not think there is one answer to your question. Different countries require different systems. One kind of education system cannot cover all the people skills. In nature, we have various kinds of trees and flowers. In the same way, there are many kinds of education systems which will be workable for a particular culture, economic situation and social history. In China, we have several types of sub-systems. For example, in Shanghai we have a system suitable for a metropolitan area. I have worked in our rural areas, too. We have systems that are more suitable for them. Of course, in our overall education system, there are common characteristics.

From my personal experience of working in China, an education system should pay attention to all the students. As a nation, we cannot rely on a few elites. All the people in a society need to feel that they are helping that society. Government must ensure all people have a good education. This is very important to the Chinese people. My experience in other countries, even in poor countries, is that you can find good schools, but only for elites.

Do you believe Chinese standardized tests measure the broad range of your students' skills?

We have a long history of testing in China. In Old China and perhaps even now, we still have the tradition that we select the best students from testing. But testing is only one way. It comes at the end of education. If we want to build a good system, we cannot only rely on testing at the end of learning. Testing implies that the student has finished the educational system. The most important thing is not just to see the testing results, but to pay close attention to the educational process. The process of education is much more important than the testing.

Are there other capabilities that we should also be evaluating?

Testing is an oversimplified way to check educational results. Education is not just about knowledge. It is also the process of socialization of the individual. There are other important elements such as social responsibility, personal potential in arts and the fine arts, how a student handles himself in relationships with other people, how students handle their work. Those kinds of skills and capacities are very important, sometimes even more important than subject testing.

From a larger perspective, does China's definition of educational excellence take into account the quality of life of individuals and society?

In the Chinese culture, we have two kinds of perspectives on educational excellence. One is that students should learn more knowledge and skills. In China, because of our heritage and our history, we have always said before you can be happy you must be educated. Learning is the bridge to what you want to do in your future. If our nation had no constructors, no leaders, no people who serve the country, or serve the family, how can we have a bright future? But now we also try to pay attention to happiness in the learning process. We want to help our children not just to learn for the future, but to also enjoy the process of learning. This is our challenge, but we will try hard to find the way forward.

As competition in education accelerates, are we risking the emotional well being of our students in face of increased academic pressure?

After the PISA results, we wondered if we could lessen the learning burden of the students. In China, historically we have encouraged students to work hard and even struggle in their learning, but we do not want students to suffer because of education. We talk about not trying to learn all knowledge today. In the future there will be more knowledge. So the most important thing is not our students' learning achievements today, but is to cultivate our students to have active learning attitudes. High school should not be the most important time. Of course, they are important years, but it is more important to keep students' interest in learning so that they continue to learn by themselves.

World Wisdom from China

Different kinds of education systems are needed for different cultures, economic situations and social history, among countries and within countries. Education systems should pay attention to all the students, not just the elites. A nation cannot just rely on its elite; all people in a society need to feel they are contributing.

The process of education is much more important than the end point testing. Such testing implies that students have finished learning. Educational excellence is about knowledge and skill, but it is also about the socialization of the individual, about cultivating students to have active learning interests for the rest of their lives and about strong cultural support for education.

In The Global Search for Education, join C.M. Rubin and globally renowned thought leaders including Sir Michael Barber (UK), Dr. Leon Botstein (US), Dr. Linda Darling-Hammond (US), Dr. Madhav Chavan (India), Professor Michael Fullan (Canada), Professor Howard Gardner (US), Professor Yvonne Hellman (The Netherlands), Professor Kristin Helstad (Norway), Professor Rose Hipkins (New Zealand), Professor Cornelia Hoogland (Canada), Mme. Chantal Kaufmann (Belgium), Professor Dominique Lafontaine (Belgium), Professor Hugh Lauder (UK), Professor Ben Levin (Canada), Professor Barry McGaw (Australia), Sridhar Rajagopalan (India), Sir Ken Robinson (UK), Professor Pasi Sahlberg (Finland), Andreas Schleicher (PISA, OECD), Dr. David Shaffer (US), Chancellor Stephen Spahn (US), Yves Theze (Lycee Francais US), Professor Charles Ungerleider (Canada), Professor Tony Wagner (US), Professor Dylan Wiliam (UK), Professor Theo Wubbels (The Netherlands), and Professor Michael Young (UK) as they explore the big picture education questions that all nations face today.

 

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"The new China is strongly making for good," proclaimed my great great Uncle George E. Morrison (NY Times feature article, 1912) who advised the Chinese leadership during the formation of the first Re...
"The new China is strongly making for good," proclaimed my great great Uncle George E. Morrison (NY Times feature article, 1912) who advised the Chinese leadership during the formation of the first Re...
 
 
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02:04 AM on 05/29/2011
Their work ethic is amazing. The lack style, but don't need much of it at home. They are well organized.
It's time to review their education system, which few people try to focus on. It is the artery to the future.
01:09 PM on 05/28/2011
Your blog has stimulated a lot of discourse. Looks like the believers and the disbelievers (who are still saying "show me". Reminds me of the father that said to his son when he got his 9th grade report card with all A's and is asked by his sister "is he brilliant", and the father says "let's see how he does in high school". And then when he gets his 12th grade report card, the father is asked again about his son's brilliance, and he replies "let's see how he does in college." And he goes to Yale and he gets straight A's for the entire 4 years. And the father is asked again the question, and he says "let's see how he does in the real world". By the time we finish waiting and seeing, the world can pass you by. Let's take China seriously now before they conquer the world.
12:27 AM on 05/29/2011
I enjoyed this story immensely. About the father that never wants to give credit. We need to give China credit now for the powerful gains it has made, and the underlying capabilities that this represents.
01:51 AM on 05/29/2011
Reminds me of my Dad. But the absence of the complete endorsement made me continue to work hard so that he would be pleased.
11:12 PM on 05/27/2011
In almost all of the articles I have read about school reform, the same old ideas keep popping up with a new name and price tag. I know there is a much better way, but it is going to take a lot of serious changes, many of which will be resisted by the two groups that need to be on board the most: parents and politicians. At no time in this article was money mentioned as a factor in improving education. Could that be our problem? How can we get our "experts" to stop putting money in each other's pockets with useless programs and start putting it into education? I look forward to more of your articles.
02:07 PM on 05/28/2011
I too am waiting for a system to be embraced at the federal level that isn't a crock of ......
12:29 AM on 05/29/2011
We need a national brainstorm by the leading experts...the changes needed are not fathomable.
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Cathy M Rubin
06:11 PM on 05/27/2011
I am honored to have received so many thought provoking comments, and I will attempt to respond where appropriate.
01:11 AM on 05/29/2011
We would be grateful for your responses to some of our comments.
01:53 AM on 05/29/2011
You are welcome!
02:07 AM on 05/29/2011
Ian - Can you remember the worst moments of your high school education. I have a hard time getting there, although there are a few that I should not remember.
03:04 PM on 05/27/2011
As our educational rapidly sinks into the setting sun, we now proclaim that other, apparently successful system stink. Maybe we'd be better advised to look inward and try an find some way to rescue ourselves.
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Cathy M Rubin
06:13 PM on 05/27/2011
This is the wake-up call, as our Education Secretary has proclaimed. It is time for the best minds in the country to gather and develop some new plans to lift ourselves up. This needs to be a major national priority.
09:35 PM on 05/27/2011
There are two major problems that need to be solved in order to move forward: First we need to define what we mean by an education because as near as I can determine the powers that be seem to believe that it is a job training program. Second unless and until parents become vested in their children's education by making it a priority for their children then pretty much all other efforts will fail.
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Cathy M Rubin
06:31 PM on 05/27/2011
Hi, I agree with you and as this series continues you will hear from many great education thought leaders in other nations who have done just that - it's as I said in the introductory post to this series THE WAY OUT OF POVERTY - it is absolutely possible for us to get back on the right track - we just have to focus on the big picture and want to make those all important changes - I really hope this study influences/moves some of our policy makers. CMR
02:31 PM on 05/27/2011
Does anyone know how the University application process works in China?
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Cathy M Rubin
06:25 PM on 05/27/2011
Hi - I can help you with this but first of all why are you asking - do you want to go to college there - I also have a story hopefully being posted in a few weeks time that will introduce you to one of the first significant American/Chinese collaborations in high school education that is very special. Please let me know. CMR
01:25 PM on 05/27/2011
"Is this a nation of Tiger Mom test takers who only memorize what teachers and textbooks say, or is this also a nation of creators and innovators?"..... Creators and innovators I believe would have to rise out of a fairly individualistic culture, which I always thought China wasn't considered.
02:53 PM on 05/27/2011
right-- focusing on the betterment of the community...
02:53 PM on 05/27/2011
rather than personal dreams/goals?
12:41 PM on 05/27/2011
I heard a story the other night about how China does things by fiat. A major resort is under construction in the Bahamas of the largest scale conceivable. Lots of work for Bahamanians, Jamaicans and Haitians. They ran short of funds. They called one of the big China sovereign investment funds. Lots of interest from the Chinese. Small hitch: Bahamas government doesn't want foreign workers. Simple requirement of the Chinese: issue 3000 work permits for Chinese construction people or no deal. So how do you think this discussion ended?
01:13 PM on 05/27/2011
I guess the Chinese got their way.
01:10 AM on 05/29/2011
I guess this is a parable about getting a universal vision adopted in all Chinese schools. It's good sometimes to have a central authority who can accomplish this.
11:27 AM on 05/29/2011
Agreed - it's tough to make change when there are too many cooks in the kitchen, which is something like what we're seeing in our education.
10:19 PM on 05/26/2011
China is a phenomenon. It is hard to fathom what they are doing, because we have not seen it happen in our times. Everyone should keep an eye on China.
01:16 PM on 05/27/2011
Where I live in Los Angeles, there have been many many Asians for decades. Almost all seem to have a great work ethic. They were competitive when I was in high school, and today it seems to be more widespread.
03:18 PM on 05/27/2011
while i did know a lot of driven asian students at my school there were also a handful of them who were as lazy as i was.
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Cathy M Rubin
06:36 PM on 05/27/2011
The work ethic in many cases is fueled by the desire to make progress - let's not forget that once we get 'comfortable' we tend to lose some of that drive/work ethic - perhaps some of our kids have become just a little molly cuddled? I play bridge with a wonderful group of clos Jewish friends (Moms) who believe the Asian moms have replaced the last generation of Jewish Moms. CMR
02:10 PM on 05/27/2011
"phenomenon"
10:12 PM on 05/26/2011
Everyone has their eyes on China. For good reason. China is building a foundation for decades, if not centuries of growth.
01:18 PM on 05/27/2011
An even better reason is the money. People in LA have made so much money trading with the Chinese. This is one of the major reasons that China has moved ahead so quickly.
01:14 AM on 05/29/2011
And they seem to be doing it in a carefully organized way.
My daughter taught English in Beijing for a year. To keep it short,
she was blown away by the pace of change.
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Joshua Ricardo Smith
05:30 PM on 05/26/2011
A lot is said about China but it's by no means the only significant emerging country. What about the other BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India, China)? Don't hear quite as much about the others but to ignore them could be a mistake.
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JAdams77
05:45 PM on 05/26/2011
Fair point, but whilst the others have large populations and large/growing economies, China seems a few steps ahead, what with having the largest population and the second largest economy.
10:22 PM on 05/26/2011
I think the balance of power in the world, certainly economic power, will shift to the east and to the south. And when the climate changes, the industrial center of the US and of Europe will be further diminished.
01:35 PM on 05/27/2011
when the climate changes?
12:39 AM on 05/29/2011
So would you move to Brazil with your family?
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JAdams77
04:49 PM on 05/26/2011
So, the second largest economy is looking to become not only an economic superpower but an education superpower?
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Joshua Ricardo Smith
05:01 PM on 05/26/2011
an interesting combination, great potential but how will they use it I wonder?
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JAdams77
05:34 PM on 05/26/2011
Wait and see...
10:23 PM on 05/26/2011
It would seem that the two are inextricable and self-reinforcing.
04:27 PM on 05/26/2011
I am very interested in China, and ran across this looking searching for schools in Shanghai. I found the things said in the article unexpected. I thought the Chinese Professor would be more hard core math and science, high achievement oriented, survival of the fittest type. If China is taking this broader vision towards learning, they will have a very well educated country to lead them into the next few decades.
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Julie Aldridge
04:46 PM on 05/26/2011
Could there perhaps be an element of Prof. Zhang saying things just because they simply fit with our Western views? By which I mean are his views truly representative of the rest of the Chinese government/education ministers?
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Cathy M Rubin
06:46 PM on 05/27/2011
It's a very good observation. However go back and look at the second article we did in this series: Can you Pass the Global Standardized Test? The Director of Pisa clearly states that the PISA test is going to evolve to include 21st century skills?. You know the saying - Getting to No 1 is tough - staying at No 1 is tougher - my gut says that if PISA (I agree PISA is only one test but it is a test policy makers LOVE to refer to) expands the test, then educational systems around the world will have to make the expansions as well, or lose their high rankings....including China.
11:49 AM on 05/29/2011
I don't think Prof Zhang is just saying these things to fit our western views. Why? Because 1) American public education is not exactly the envy of the world; and 2) what he says is very much in line with traditional Asian views of education - as a means of cultivating the individual in order to help (or succeed in) society.

However, I do think that many of the Chinese education officials are looking specifically at the 21st century global economy as motivation, which of course everyone is doing.
10:25 PM on 05/26/2011
I believe Henry Kissinger has said that China has been #1 for many centuries and believes this is their rightful place. This must be a sentiment that lurks far below the surface, for it is hardly perceptible.
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Julie Aldridge
03:43 PM on 05/26/2011
I do subscribe to the opinions purveyed by Prof. Zhang regarding the fact that education is not just about testing. It is all too easy to occupy oneself with league tables when it has just as much to do - if not more - with how the students got there i.e. their own journey of self discovery and learning how to think critically about a problem/question, not simply rote learning lists of facts. It's important when testing a country's quality of education (using PISA, in this case) to undertake the difficult task of testing the student in a more holistic fashion, not focussing on narrow "portions" of intelligence such as simple recall.
04:30 PM on 05/26/2011
I could not agree more, and I was surprised to see Prof Zhang have that point of view. Weren't you?
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Julie Aldridge
04:38 PM on 05/26/2011
Perhaps it doesn't align with my initial preconceptions about the Chinese driving solely for the end product, but as the country matures on the global stage I think these sorts of ideologies will start to become more common.
12:21 PM on 05/29/2011
Michael, in many ways I am not surprised. Our conceptions of the Chinese are based on what we see in media (technically-oriented, practical, test-oriented, rote learning, etc., and true to an extent) but Chinese traditional ideals of education was about cultivating the entire individual (academic, spiritual, moral, etc) in order to better help society, a very Confucian aspect. In fact, much of the Communist gov't (which basically renounced Confucius tradition decades ago) is now helping to bring Confucian tradition back. Especially with all the corruption that is going on there.
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Joshua Ricardo Smith
04:31 PM on 05/26/2011
but with the mind and intelligence being so complex, i don't think anyone can truly claim to have an exam which measures what you say...
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Julie Aldridge
04:41 PM on 05/26/2011
I think we can agree that PISA makes a valid attempt at it, although you are correct. How can we measure something so vast and not understood in a couple of hours with a test! We can only give it our best attempt.
01:44 PM on 05/27/2011
there would never be an exam that could. that is why many colleges in the US are beginning to get rid of SAT requirements in the application process.
10:44 PM on 05/25/2011
One thing that is very impressive to me is that the Chinese children are obligated to study english beginning in kindergarten. In 50 years they will all speak english, but there will be few of us that speak chinese.
02:22 PM on 05/26/2011
Another 2 billion people speaking english. That's an amazing thought.
01:49 PM on 05/27/2011
Hmmm. but not in the same way an American student may decide to take Chinese.
03:00 PM on 05/26/2011
This will definitely be a disadvantage for the english speaking world, unless we learn to speak Chinese.