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Ben Franklin and the Constitution: Part 2

Posted: 10/09/2012 5:45 pm

In part one of this short series of posts on Ben Franklin's take on The Constitution, I told you that his focus in giving this speech was to urge the men in the room to stay focused on compromise in order to protect the greater good of this new governing document. He knew, though, that his task was difficult because many men had concerns about various aspects of the final document, things they simply did not like. He could see that ultimately, if they weren't careful, some form of despotic government could be our fate.

For the past few years, I've been saying the following to my students that the United States is as ripe as it's ever been for a dictatorial take over. I follow that up with some comments about how this could easily come from either the Left (like a Castro or Stalin) or the Right (like a Mussolini or Napoleon). That notion is too long to go into detail here, but the point is the Franklin saw the possible threat of this coming. Note what Franklin said:

In these sentiments, sir, I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such; because I think a general government necessary for us, there is no Form of Government but what may be a blessing to the People if well administered; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a course of years, and can only end in Despotism as other forms have done before it, when the people shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other. -Ben Franklin, "From Benjamin Franklin: Speech in the Convention on the Constitution (unpublished) Mon, Sep 17, 1787

Look at the key points involved in this sentiment: "to be well administered for a course of years." Now think about this, when was the last time we had a good administration? Many will rush quickly to Reagan, but for many on the left politically, he certainly was not a good president. He was probably the closest to the Founders' position on many issues that we'd had in leadership since Grover Cleveland, so perhaps he fits. Others would suggest President Clinton, but his administration was ripe with integrity issues. In many respects, you end up almost 100 years back till the series of presidents that includes Cleveland, Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson (and those Progressive Presidents all had issues that the Founders would have had problems with).

What is "well administered" anyway? For the Founders, it certainly would have meant keeping a close connection to the Constitution. Having just written the document, they were concerned with how it was to be interpreted. And no, they didn't agree in full, but they were constantly concerned with it.

It also would have meant keeping the excesses of power under wraps. Again, they would have disagreed as to how tight the wraps were to be held, but even Hamilton would be aghast at how powerful the Federal Government has become. Having just fought with England for control of their own futures, the Founding Fathers were in no mood to return to some over-powerful government (Shays' Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion being the two most famous examples of that feeling, post-Revolutionary War).

Here's the second key point Franklin makes --"when the people shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other." What does he mean by "corrupted?" Merriam-Webster's says corrupted means "1 a : to change from good to bad in morals, manners, or actions; b : to degrade with unsound principles or moral values." To Franklin, our Republic would hold as long as we held to a sense of virtue, a connection to the values upon which the country, the early colonies were established. John Adams, Patrick Henry and others spoke to the same point -- any loss of values that provide our foundation will doom the Republic.

Are we there yet? Well, certainly it depends upon whom you ask, but I think the answer is a pretty easy "yes." We are there now. Corrupted. No matter what side of the political aisle you are on, it's not hard to look around for evidence of the moral corruption that has gripped our country. And the reason is not our supposed rejection of God. Instead, I would offer one main reason to be that the last three generations of Americans (Millennials, Gen X, Boomers) have grown up in so much abundance, our wealth and success has eaten away at the fibers of our historic understanding of values such as hard work, truth, trustworthiness, and sacrifice.

Can we fix this? Honestly, I'm not sure, but we must try. This is one reason why I travel as a speaker, talking about values. The Founders weren't sure they would make it either, as Franklin is clearly saying, but he had given most of his life to attempt to help out (through writing, through service, through sacrifice). We must try.

Carl E Creasman Jr is a Professor of History at Valencia College in Orlando, FL.

 
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05:48 PM on 10/30/2012
I know this is coming in late, but I wanted to say that I really enjoyed both parts of this series of posts - I saw that the link (provided in your reply to my comment on the article, In Defense Of The Electoral College) was for a 'part 2', so I went back to read part one before continuing with part two.

I especially appreciate that you've explained that, in the context of the foundation and continuation of our society, the terms 'morals' and 'values' have a meaning other than their religious overtones. Too often now days those words are taken to have one connotation and one connotation only, and those who aren't faithful or religious tend to be turned off by them. And, as your piece pointed out, we simply can not afford that type of misunderstanding when too much is at stake. This piece is a great reminder that being a concerned citizen is an issue of values and morals as well.

You were right. I do appreciate Franklin's thoughts and concerns. His words about compromise are words to remember and to live by. Thank you, again, for the link.
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07:28 PM on 10/10/2012
Was Napoleon a right winger? He wanted to be the ruler but that isn't left or right. He wanted close control over the people and he waged a lot of wars. Again this is left or right.
Why skip FDR? The Depression was the time when the US could had become a dictatorship as did so many of the world's nations.
One could go on but this guy seems to not understand much about Franklin, the Constitution or the history of the US. One expects better from a Community College professor with a masters degree in Divinity.
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Carl Creasman
12:50 PM on 10/24/2012
Sorry to have let you down with your expectations. :) I didn't mention FDR or Napoleon because they weren't really the point. Franklin's great concern was for the awareness that without a vigilant focus against corruption, the document they had just written would be all for naught. The "experiment" does not have to end in despotism, but will if we aren't careful. Thanks for reading, though.
01:29 PM on 10/10/2012
This right left divide in politics is nonsense. NAZIs were socialists. At one end of the political spectrum are people who believe they own their lives and at the other end are people willing to be enslaved by the state.
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Albert Jenkin
down with the Rebs! And the Dixiecrats
09:42 AM on 10/10/2012
Perhaps the greatest difficulty the Founders would have had was the late 19th-early 20th century use of the Roosevelt Corallary of the Monroe Doctrine, putting Latin America in protective custody. When the US pulled out, the smaller countries were left with a Strong Man in charge. The Strong Men were bought by companies like United Fruit and away we went again. We have a poor record of Nation Building.
Yes, I've oversimplified.
12:58 AM on 10/10/2012
These two letters, commentaries should be read by every American and considered. I am a liberal.I acknowledge that corruption, no matter the definition, has eaten away at our nation. We are too fat, too self centered, too greedy and I don't see us making a U turn any time soon.The "Founding Fathers" whom all seem to revere, would be aghast not so much at the power of the Federal Government as to the people who run the government and the people who elected them. Those Founding Fathers relied on the people selecting men of virtue and having concern for the common good. I don't know of any men/women in elective office who are "of virtue" or exhibit concern for the common good.
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11:23 PM on 10/09/2012
Exactly how are we now so terribly "corrupted"?
12:59 AM on 10/10/2012
If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand the answer.
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jmpurser
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09:28 AM on 10/10/2012
And if you can't explain the assertion then you have no "answer".
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11:20 PM on 10/09/2012
I disagree with you about how abundance has corrupted us.

I would propose instead that it has been the consolidation of "speech" into (relatively speaking) fewer and fewer hands.

At one point, the ratio of speakers to audience was 1 to 100 or perhaps as bad as 1 to 1000. (I'm thinking of early newspapers, most with tiny circulations.)

But these days, "media empires" have been consolidating for decades. What newspapers survive are part of 2 or three major chains, with local news and local concerns forgotten. Radio broadcasting has similarly been consolidated into the misleadingly named "Clear Channel" with a similar loss of local speech.

Web sites are usually national in scope - at best regional.
11:06 AM on 10/10/2012
www.whoownsthenews.com There is only one conclustion to come to once you have read it.
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11:08 PM on 10/09/2012
"What is "well administered" anyway? For the Founders, it certainly would have meant keeping a close connection to the Constitution."

Yes and no. I'm sure they wanted all government actions to be guided by the Constitution, but they also built in a clear mechanism for the Constitution to be amended, so they weren't wedded to a static Constitution.
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11:00 PM on 10/09/2012
"Americans (Millennials, Gen X, Boomers) have grown up in so much abundance, our wealth and success has eaten away at the fibers of our historic understanding of values such as hard work, truth, trustworthiness, and sacrifice."

I think, perhaps more importantly, that abundance has meant too many have grown up with no need to share or be in need help. And the selfishness that breeds can be seen in the open disdain for those who have less or need help.
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10:54 PM on 10/09/2012
""What is "well administered" anyway? For the Founders, it certainly would have meant keeping a close connection to the Constitution.""

In keeping with your idea, I would say that it would be an administration where the the agenda is set based on the interest of people not the funders of campaigns.

Since Woodrow Wilson, propaganda has become a devise to manipulate public opinion.

Now, with the consolidation of the media the oligarchy has risen...Your conclusion is correct!

But it has already happened. Now both the left and the right are controllled---not by the people but the few!
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MassWG
10:19 PM on 10/09/2012
"our wealth and success has eaten away at the fibers of our historic understanding of values such as hard work, truth, trustworthiness, and sacrifice"

Agreed. And it will eventually be fixed, but most likely the hard way - when "our historic understanding" of true hardship is once again acquired firsthand. Collapse of the dollar as global reserve currency would do the trick.
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William1950
everything I say could be wrong.
09:17 PM on 10/09/2012
The population has lost what it means to be a moral country... not religious, moral. The population has lost what it means to "work together for the good of the country"... We have become a world of people full of blame, envy, greed.... and most of us have no idea what goes on in the world outside our little part... shrug.
08:01 PM on 10/09/2012
Interesting take on things. However, one part you definately seem to contredict yourself.

"Having just fought with England for control of their own futures, the Founding Fathers were in no mood to return to some over-powerful government (Shays' Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion being the two most famous examples of that feeling, post-Revolutionary War)."

George Washington, during his presidency, actually led a 12,000 man federalized militia to put down the Whiskey Rebellion. The rebellion which collapsed when the millita approached. This was the only time an acting President of the United States led an army on the field.
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Carl Creasman
12:44 PM on 10/24/2012
You might be right in that the Whiskey Rebellion does show Washington willing to flex his muscles if need be. He would, however, argue that he was not setting up nor using an "over-powerful government" but rather only responding to open violence. Had the rebels only complained in print or to their local representatives, there is no evidence that he was looking for a chance to use the military. His point to them was that while they may be unhappy with a tax, unlike circa 1765-1770, they did have representation about the decision of the tax. Moreover, he showed his restraint by both immediately putting the troops "back in the box" and in pardoning those rebel leaders condemned to die.
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Utilitarianism, the -ism that works.
07:16 PM on 10/09/2012
The corruption of our government lies not with the youth but with the elders.

How many millenials hold public office? How many gen X ers?

Blaming us for the actions if our parents and grandparents is quite a stretch.

The corruption of our government lies squarely at the feet of the so called "moral majority" that has worked tirelessly for the last several decades to pass the reins of the state over to the church.

They are tyrannical, radical, and unable to compromise. They live in a childish world of black and white while holding office that requires you to put away childish things. They erode personal liberty at every turn trying to impose their theology on the rest of us and pass idiotic regulations because they honestly believe that their intent while passing a law matters more than the letter of the law so their language is naive and slipshod.

And that's before we take an honest look at their holy wars against other faiths on the world stage.

They are destroying this country.
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William1950
everything I say could be wrong.
09:19 PM on 10/09/2012
but we let it happen.... :( plus we have let a few grab so much of the wealth of the world, and so much power that we now find ourselves in a fast changing maelstrom where rules change daily... we simply don't have the energy to keep up.
lu386ibew
leftist and proud!
09:57 PM on 10/09/2012
best post i've read all day. fanned and faved!
iridium53
Semper Fi
07:15 PM on 10/09/2012
you write: "I've been saying the following to my students that the United States is as ripe as it's ever been for a dictatorial take over."

What do you think the purpose of increased military spending combined with a philosophy of, "I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

The result of no government is anarchy and chaos.

Power abhors a vacuum.

And, as Mao wrote, "Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."