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Carl Pope

Carl Pope

Posted: October 21, 2010 02:32 PM

My last encounter with Bjorn Lomborg, author of The Skeptical Environmentalist, was a Harvard debate shortly after he published that book. Now he's followed up his newest book, Cool It, with a movie of the same title, and the Commonwealth Club here in San Francisco agreed to host us for a second debate.

Lomborg has boiled down his message -- perhaps for cable talk shows -- to a few simple points: It's cheaper and safer to accept the risks of global warming than to kick our addiction to carbon energy. Trying too hard to solve the climate crisis will cost too much and interfere with solving more immediate problems like poverty, disease, and conflict. And, lastly, if climate change really does turn out to be a big problem, the only solution will be to go to extreme geoengineering.

Somehow, just building a clean-energy economy didn't make his list of possible solutions. He said his economist friends "all" agree that it's just "too expensive and wasteful." He did score good points on the weaknesses of both the Kyoto Protocol and current versions of cap and trade -- even resorting to quoting climatologist Jim Hansen as an ally.

But Lomborg stayed firmly rooted in the abstractions of macroeconomics, declining to challenge me when I pointed out that replacing the entire U.S. fleet of coal-fired power plants with cleaner energy (efficiency, renewables, and natural gas) would cost about as much as the $100 billion in medical costs that's imposed by those plants every year. The climate benefits would be free.

Similarly, while Lomborg said that renewables like wind, biofuels, and solar are so wastefully expensive that we shouldn't deploy them until more research brings their costs down, he was silent when I pointed out that for the 1.5 billion people in the world who aren't on the grid, solar is already cheaper than the diesel generators and kerosene they're currently using.

Lomborg claimed that smarter public policy would be a better way to avoid disastrous floods than curbing carbon emissions would be -- although he admitted that global warming will make flooding much worse.

But Lomborg had no answer when I asked what simple public-policy solutions would avoid the flooding of rice paddies in the coastal areas of Bangladesh, or could have averted this year's catastrophic floods in Pakistan. (Actually, there is an answer to the second question -- if Pakistan had preserved instead of devastating its forests, the flooding crisis would have been greatly diminished -- but Lomborg astonishingly dismissed the idea of protecting forests globally as "just too expensive.")

What does he favor instead? Well, more research into better low-carbon technology, which I applaud. But then he jumps immediately to research on extreme geoengineering -- things like dumping massive quantities of "white" air pollutants and acid-sulfur particles into the atmosphere. This is not just risky -- it's foolish. It's like refusing to fund a local fire department to protect my house, while hiring an expensive architect to plan what I might replace my house with if it does burn down.

How does Lomborg justify this? By saying that if the extreme consequences of climate change, like melting the Antarctic ice cap, come to pass, then the only thing that will work fast enough might be geoengineering. It's hard to know if he really believes this -- or if geoengineering, like clean-tech research, is fundamentally just a way to look like he is for something, even as he resolutely defends our addiction to carbon.

 

 
 
 

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Lasse Von Gakhausen
05:23 AM on 10/25/2010
Lomborg and his uncredible institute is founded and he were chosen, by the then danish prime minister anders fogh rasmussen who happened to be a long time aquaintance of his. his rantings are largely ignored in denmark as noone believe this man is NOT there to serve the interest of big coorporations, it is for example on his advise the danish government adopted an energy policy that largely consist of more pollution, then buying CO2 quotas off for example russia and other underdeveloped countries to make numbers look good internationally.
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Robert David Steele
09:05 PM on 10/23/2010
You are both right and both wrong. What I believe would help both of you, and the rest of us, is an appreciation of strategic analytics. The UN High Level Threat Panel, with the US represented by one of the last adults left in the DC area, LtGen Dr. Brent Scowcroft, clearly identified the top ten threat to humanity in priority order: poverty, infectious disease, environmental degradation (with which climate change is a minor subset, and carbon falls below mercury and sulfer), inter-state conflict, civil war, genocide, other atrocities, proliferation, terrorism, and transnational crime.

You can both learn about strategic analytics right here at the Huffington Post, my short primer is at

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-david-steele/strategic-analytic-model-_b_762705.html

Carbon trades are a fraud, a form of sub-prime mortgage scam using the Earth as the patsy. The only winners in a carbon trade scheme will be Maurice Strong, Al Gore, and perhaps 100 of the people most closely associated with the IPCC fraudulent science. I have a rolling update on ClimateChange at Phi Beta Iota the Public Intelligence Blog, at this URL:

http://www.phibetaiota.net/2010/02/reference-climategate-rolling-update/

I hope this helps somebody. What has been clearly established is that no government and certainly not the UN is actually taking reality seriously. Reality CAN be understood and CAN be constructively engaged, but that is NOT what anyone is doing right now. IMHO.
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MilesLong
Livin' the Dream
04:21 PM on 10/24/2010
That's a good suggestion. However until we speak about the problem that is the nuclear third rail of our era, none of your, or their, suggestions will amount to much.

The root cause of all symptoms you all are arguing about are the direct result of the earth being overpopulated by twice the number of people it can reasonably support. Yet, no one wants to deal with this issue.

Half of the world's population suffers from inadequate nutrition, not because of a lack of technology to attack the problem, but the earth physically cannot support the current spate of humans spread across it's surface.

According to reports, in just the last 100 years we have lost some 80% of the biomass in the oceans. Symptoms like coral reef bleaching are just the tip of the iceberg. And what about potable water? It seems that the American Great Lakes are the biggest remaining supply of fresh water on the planet now that the myriad glaciers that used to irrigate whole swaths of the world's agricultural plains have largely disappeared due to climate change in the name of supplying humans with needed energy.

The UN, every government on the planet, and every one of these so-called scientists dare not approach the root cause of our environmental difficulty because they lack the spine to do so.

Miles "Cowardice Masquerading As Political & Scientific Expediency" Long
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Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
04:41 PM on 10/24/2010
You are both right and wrong. The Carbon trading markets are a scam like the Swaps banker scam: the benefactors would be the bankers, the Fossil and Nuclear companies. Peace would be much cheaper than war, perhaps that's the problem, not enough money in it. The IPCC is not a criminal conspiracy,get over it, but they are human. Gore will not get rich. The science is not fraudulent. Green energy is cheap enough now, cheaper than the utilities for millions of people, and getting cheaper all the time. Clear green energy is cheaper than war for fossils and over nukes.
07:22 PM on 10/21/2010
You need to add controlling population growth which would help about every issue in the human condition and without which the other efforts at climate control will be very expensive and difficult.
11:22 AM on 10/24/2010
Separate issues, here is why: Look up the amount of carbon emission per person in the developed world versus the carbon emission in the lesser developed counries.--We (the U.S. and other developed countries) are the equivalent of Henry the 8th gorging on his 9th leg of lamb as he blames the serfs for his gout attacks.