The Rev. Wright and James von Brunn -- Creepy Coincidence That Their Anti-Semitic Hatred Was Hurled on Same Day
No one expects the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, a man of education, intellect, talent and professional and material success to commit an act of violence. I don't believe that Wright, now retired, is trying consciously to incite his admirers and former congregants to do much more than go to the polling place.
Still, it's worth noting that on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 the world heard an audio tape of Wright's diatribe against the Jews who, he seemed to be complaining, were pulling the levers in the Obama White House. In a taped interview at a ministers' conference, Wright told a reporter that he hasn't spoken to his former parishioner now President Obama because "Them Jews ain't going to let him talk to me.....They will not let him talk to somebody who calls a spade what it is."
Later the same day, the world saw video of something incalculably worse: the aftermath of a murder of a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial and Museum in Washington, DC. Within minutes, bloggers had posted the shooter's hate language, easily accessible on his web site. Holocaust-denier James von Brunn double-parked his car, walked to the door of the museum with his .22-caliber rifle in full view and started to shoot. Before he could be stopped and wounded himself, he had his victim: Stephen T. Johns, an African American, which was, presumably, fine with von Brunn because he hated blacks almost as much as he hated Jews.
Brunn, who served six years in the 1980s for attempting to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve Board, believes, apparently, that the Jews control not only the media, but also the banking system. According to the AP, he "claimed to expose a Jewish conspiracy `to destroy the White gene-pool.'"
I don't mean to compare von Bunn, who ranted "It's time to kill all the Jews," to Jeremiah Wright, who has done some good things in his career and has supporters whom I consider to be reasonable people.
But the business about the "White gene-pool" quoted above does bring to mind one of Wright's more incendiary statements -- that American officials were somehow deliberately infecting children of color with the HIV virus
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Rev. Wright is absolutey correct. I agree with this man 100%.
Wright and Von Brunn......NO COMPARISON!!
James von Brunn was an anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-Black, well, just about anti-everything nut-case. Here is a sample of his rantings which can be verified by clicking on the link included below.
What he wrote: http://www.antichrist.net/vonbrunn.html
"As duped Aryan sheep begin to understand the "Holocaust" they also begin to better understand Christianity. Both have similar origins. Both have identical objectives.... The New Testament was written in Greek. Paul - who believed the World was flat, that Joshua made the sun stand still, and Jehovah spoke from a burning bush -- wrote one-third of it, perhaps more. The events described in the 24 Books are often contradictory, fail the time-line, defy both archaeology's and nature's immutable laws, and are suicidal if practiced. Nevertheless, the shamans bought it, taught it, and the illiterate public was coerced, brainwashed, threatened, tortured, murdered, and enthralled."
CHRISTIANITY and the HOLOCAUST. by James W. von Brunn
Sorry, the link in the above post has been replaced by an explanation as to why the original post has been taken down.
oh, please get over yourself - jerimiah wright has a fact based right to suspect the united states goverment of injecting and or infecting african children with hiv - tuskgee experiment, do you recall? one of many so called studies performed on unknowing and unwilling blacks. besides von brunn is a angry white man who wants to kill black folks for not submitting to his racist views.
it would do you some good to learn the difference between zionist and jews and it would do rev wright some good to think before he opens his mouth -
blacks have every right to be angered at racism after all our ancestors were enslaved by it for hundreds of years. also rev wright fought for this same country in the military - so i am sure he is a man who has seen and been affected by racial hatred at its ugliest - try some empathy - in other words walk a day in his shoes.
Many of your points are good ones; some i don't agree with at all. I'm always wary of people who want to make the distinction between Zionists and Jews; I'm quite certain it's not a distinction drawn by the odious von Brunn, who did, by the way, also serve in the military.
Von Brunn may not care very much about the distinction between Jews and Zionists, but you know very well that this is a distinction that is meaningful to Rev. Wright. To lump him in with Von Brunn is disingenuous at best.
Further, why be wary of people who distinguish between Zionism and Jews? Without the distinction, anyone who opposes the political movement has only an ethnic group to focus on as the object of their disdain. Is that what you want? For all people with a problem with Zionism to take it out on Jews broadly?
Many well-intentioned Americans, including myself, make a distinction between Zionists and mainstream Jews. My dear Jewish friend, for example, does not agree with the Zionists who unconditionally support Israel's position against the Palestinians.
von Brunn did not make this distinction because his racist perspective does not see a meaningful difference between these two factions of the Jewish community. He only sees JEW.
The fact that von Brunn served in the military does not in any way show a comparable relationship between his worldview and Reverend Wright's worldview.
It's getting me down, Carol. In a weird way it was kind of predictable that these cretin bullies would react this way to losing the election. Not that they have ever needed any excuse.
Here's, via today's New York Times, a couple of sentences from a note found in Von Brunn's double-parked car:
“The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what his Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America’s money. Jews control the mass media.”
"odious von Brunn, who did, by the way, also serve in the military."
I suppose you have some sort of point here? Military experience? So did all the GI's who liberated the concentration camps along with most of Europe, liberated much of the Pacific Rim, ended the Cold War, liberated Kuwait, helped secure peace in the Balkans, freed Afghanistan from the Taliban...the list goes on & on! Haters come from all walks of life - including the left! What does military experience have to do with being a deranged, hate-filled POS?
Old SF MJT
Twiggy, stop trying to use RACE as a "get out of jail free card." What Jeremiah Wright said is RACIST, conspiratorial, and dangerous. In the long run, his words are more dangerous than the craziness of a solitary, lone, discredited old man whose way of thinking is dying out. Wright has a lot of followers, and his poisoning of their minds against a group of people is not forgiven because of his status as a "black" man.
If you really believe this, then show me just one case of violence against Jews instigated by black liberation theology. Just one. Von Brunn certainly doesn't give two bits what Wright or any other black man has to say. What Wright said was a dangerous misstatement, and it deserves to be the object of criticism, but to argue that it is more harmful 'in the long run' than a homicidal maniac is pretty inconsistent with the history of black liberation theology, which has largely opposed Zionism in a stance of solidarity with the oppression of the Palestinians since it has been relevant to do so, while not contributing to a single act of violence against Jews. On the contrary, many black liberation theologians have drawn on the experience of the Jews in the holocaust, as well as earlier Jewish history, as an example of the evil of political oppression and race related hatred, and as a sign that such hatred and oppression can be overcome.
I see people are at it again. Making an issue out of a non-issue. Must be a bad news day.
Apparently, a third man in the news--Prime Minister Netanyahu--also believes that a Jewish cabal controls President Obama! This is from Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper.
http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1091428.html
"Political sources close to Netanyahu say that White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and Obama's senior political consultant David Axelrod are behind the clash between the administration and Israel.
Israel historically has depended on the White House to balance the consensus of officials in the state and defense departments; this consensus usually leans toward the Arab side.
Israeli officials say that under Obama, the White House has become the main problem in relations.
Israel is also having difficulty mustering the support of Congress and the American Jewish community for its demand to continue expanding the settlements."
"I don't mean to compare von Bunn, who ranted "It's time to kill all the Jews," to Jeremiah Wright, who has done some good things in his career and has supporters whom I consider to be reasonable people. "
if you don't mean to - WHY ARE YOU?!?!?
"But the business about the "White gene-pool" quoted above does bring to mind one of Wright's more incendiary statements -- that American officials were somehow deliberately infecting children of color with the HIV virus"
while i don't agree with the rev. on that point, are you going to ignore the historical basis that formed the opinions many older african-americans have because of the tuskegee experiment? how far of a leap it it to believe if they'd let us suffer untreated - even after a cure was discoved - that using poor, black and brown kids as guinea pigs?
yes this IS the problem. maybe now we can begin to separate ACTUAL anti-semitism (hatred toward a religion and/or its practitioners) and the overused slur of anti-semite for people who question aipac.
i would submit that this lumping together of both gives the murderous von brunns of this world cover.
as for wright, i think he is probably wrong- not because aipac and its minions wont TRY to insulate barrack ,but because i dont think its working. obama seems to be, gasp, handling isreal and its supporters with logic and fairness instead of blind obedience. what a relief.
if everybody is an antisemite, then nobody is. bottom line.
And the hate in the media is perpetuated, so the beat goes on.
How, exactly, did you interpret Writght's statement as "hatred"?
I don't think there's any comparison between Rev/Dr. Wright and Von Brunn, I don't approve of and disagree with Rev. Wright's remark but I can understand where he's coming from. This man fought for America and democracy, yet was denied democracy and equality in his country of birth when he came back from the war. He's bitter and hurt that his relationship with Obama has come to an end, his fault btw., but please don't use his name in the same sentence as Von Brunn. Von Brunn hated blacks as much as he hated Jews, not almost as much and he was a misfit, anti social, looser who it seems never made a success of his life and so blamed others for his failures, which is typical of the right wing nut cases, it's always someone elsle's fault, never their own.
Sandpiper1,
I agree with you. There is absolutely NO comparison between Dr. Wright & Von Brunn. NONE WHAT SO EVER.
Actually Wright and Von Brunn's statements (Wright at Hampton Univ and Von Brunn's notes in his car) were much closer than you've represented....both present President Obama as controlled by or created by Jews. Both Wright and Von Brunn are hateful old men.
The difference is that Wright's hatred is directed at a political movement, Imperial Zionism, while Von Brunn's hatred is directed against an entire ethnic group. Wright simply misspoke, and for that he should be criticized, as such mistakes can still incite ethnic hatred, but anyone familiar with the man knows what he meant. Von Brunn is another case entirely.
Wright is a very articulate man and an experienced speaker. I think he said what he meant and he meant what he said, and his efforts to back track now and "explain" sound more like the work of a politician than of one who claims to speak truth to power. I am not aware of the existence of a political movement known as "Imperial Zionism". I am aware of Zionism, the political struggle for establishment of a Jewish homeland in Israel. That movement came to fruition over 60 years ago. When you talk about opposition to Zionism, do you mean you are opposed to the Jews having a homeland they already have? If so, then anti-Zionist is certainly code for anti-Jewish, no matter how you may wish to mince your words.
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