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Romney and Mormons Who Use Medicaid

Posted: 09/27/2012 12:47 pm

In a recently-publicized video, Mitt Romney criticizes people in the United States who rely on government programs such as Medicaid and argues that they don't "take personal responsibility and care for their lives." This group includes the elderly, the underemployed and a significant number of young Mormons like me.

Last year the Salt Lake Tribune reported that "44 percent of births to parents who listed 'student' as their occupation" in Utah in 2008 were funded by Medicaid. About 39 percent of those births occurred in Utah County, home to a population that's about 80 percent Mormon and to LDS Church-owned Brigham Young University. As the wife of a BYU graduate student, I know that using Medicaid to finance childbirth is a common decision among our student peers. LDS student families also take advantage of low-income housing, WIC vouchers and other assistance. Restrictions on student employment, caps on student loans, and the high costs of insurance premiums and maternity deductibles don't leave many other choices.

These students aren't relying on government aid because they are irresponsible or careless. Young Mormon couples who have children are simply trying to live their faith. For decades, LDS Church leaders have instructed members to marry and have children early, without waiting for financial security or to complete an education. In fact, young Mormon men have even been chastised for postponing marriage for financial reasons.

The commandment for LDS faithful to "multiply and replenish the earth" is coupled with teachings that, ideally, mothers should not seek employment outside of the home. Mothers who choose to work face messages from church leaders that they are acting contrary to their divine natures, introducing conflict into their marriages and contributing to the disintegration of the traditional family.

Young LDS couples view government assistance as a way to bridge the gap between religious proscriptions and economic realities and as a stepping-stone toward the goal of self-reliance. In my own BYU student family, we too have wrestled with the economic difficulty of having children. We've experienced employers that are not family-friendly, part-time jobs without benefits, student loan debt and high medical expenses. We used WIC to obtain Pediasure when our daughter wasn't thriving. We've made compromises, lived frugally and accepted help from family as we support one child on part-time salaries, and we plan to use 401K disbursements to help finance the birth of a second child. But not every young family has those options. I wish that Romney better understood that many of us in the 47 percent he disdains are doing the best we can in a world where our hopes and obligations don't always match up with our opportunities and resources.

 
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02:35 PM on 10/06/2012
Mitt spoke the truth. The welfare system is there for a reason, to help people get back on their feet not to live on it for the rest of your life. We, too, used WIC and Medicaid as we were building our family and education, and am not shameful for doing so. We used it for the intended purpose. But the reason the welfare system does not work is because of the high percent of people who abuse it. LH Smith's comments are right on. It's pretty remarkable that people are even still discussing this comment of Mitt's. Are Americans really that blind that they can't see the truth in his comment?
05:55 AM on 10/02/2012
Everyone can "assume" they know what Romney meant with his comment about the 47%. They can twist it around so that it excludes the transitional who used government aid as a stepping stone towards better as opposed to feeding off the system indefinitely....but his comment lacks compassion. No one can know the plight of the poor without actually walking in their shoes, can they? There is no way that he can ever relate for he is a person who has always known privilege and has had family support. His judgments were harsh and heartless and may have cost him the presidency. "We the people" includes all the people, either he embraces that and leads without bias or continues on with the warped sense that he only needs to represent those that mirror him, with like views and life experiences. I do not think that attitude will take anyone very far. The idea should be how do I help and bring the country together instead of how do I solicit more money to gain the most powerful seat in the nation.
01:29 PM on 10/01/2012
Being one of many student families in this area that have used medicaid... I actually understand what Romney is trying to say with his candid remarks. Those inside the church should grasp that he's talking just like a bishop would. He's talking about those who want to remain on these programs forever. I was not offended in the least because of having a father serve in the same capacities as Romney as a lay leader for the church and understanding exactly what the church's view point on it is. When you realize he was likely speaking to a nearly entirely LDS audience in that tape, you realize you have to interpret the "mormon speak" involved and that means grasping that the church teaches us to use help when we need it, but to learn to "fish" rather than having it dropped in our laps for our entire lives. Just because people are using assistance to get started doesn't mean they are the ones that will be there forever or never bothering to try. Naturally those who aren't interested in standing on their own feet won't vote for Romney.. he's not a hand out guy.. he's a hand UP guy. It made perfect sense. I'm far more appalled by the lies our president tells than by a misinterpretation of a candid dinner party with a largely LDS audience.
09:01 PM on 09/30/2012
Davy Crockett vs. Welfare
From The Life of Colonel David Crockett,
by Edward S. Ellis (Philadelphia: Porter & Coates, 1884)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig4/ellis1.html
05:20 PM on 09/30/2012
The 47% comment shows to me that he has almost written off some of the Democrats go to voters that live off the government. Interesting to see how he tries to approach the Independent vote.
01:52 PM on 10/02/2012
Great point. I think the motivations behind his comments are difficult to read, but this comment was extremely telling.
04:08 PM on 10/03/2012
I believe the video was from 2008 as well, He wasn't exactly thinking about his presidential run at the time.
01:01 PM on 09/30/2012
"Mitt was talking about," "Mitt meant," "What Mitt was saying was..."

Balderdash.

Mitt Romney is a slick opportunistic politician who is saying whatever he thinks necessary to appeal to whatever group he happens to be addressing at the time. He obfuscates, he lies, and he morphs.

The "47%" comment was typical "divide" strategy.
11:41 AM on 09/30/2012
The LDS church welfare plan is to help people become self-reliant. If a member is unable to make financial ends meat they need to deny onesself of wants over basic needs. If a person is still unable to manage on that, they are to turn to their family first for help and if their family is unable to help, they are welcome to turn to the church for help. In the long run if they follow this council, they learn self-sufficiency. If they turn to government assistance they miss out of the blessings they could have had in the journey to self-sufficiency. Non-members on the other hand do get needed help from government programs, but so much of the time they do not learn self-sufficiency as well. As Mitt said, there is a net for the poor to help them. But as the old saying goes "it is much better to teach a man how to fish than to give him one." It is still a matter of choice as to what one wants to learn.
12:55 AM on 09/30/2012
I think I missed the video referenced in Catherine Jeppsen's article. Or did I? In the one I saw, Mitt in no way criticized Americans using Medicaid or any other government assistance program. He was simply identifying a segment of the population that would not support him. It seems manipulative to alter someone's words and intent to accommodate a point of view. I've noticed that happening quite often to Romney. As an Independent, that very fact persuades me to vote for the guy.
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10:57 PM on 09/29/2012
Mitt is rich and came from wealth, he sees the world for a privileged up bringing. He is no different from any rich person from any faith. I live around, not in, the area he grew up and it is an over the top wealthy area, no McMansions allowed. The private school he went to starting in 7th school looks like an English private school (dead poet society). All this is not evil, but if you never wanted for anything, then you see the world differently.
05:08 PM on 09/29/2012
If one watches/listens to the full recording you would realize that Romney does not say that all those people on some sort of welfare are a problem. Mostly, he is saying that the people with an entitlement attitude will always vote Democrat. It is completely unfair to use something said that was for the purpose of who he was going to target for support and votes and try to make it be a policy statement for the presidency.
02:14 PM on 09/29/2012
Sorry, but pretty sure the Mormon religion isn't advocating having children when you have no way of supporting them as this author suggests. If you can't afford a child during school, don't have one. It is nothing less than stealing from another to force someone to pay for your child.
02:10 PM on 09/29/2012
We too used medicaid, Foodstamps, and WIC during Medical School. During undergrad we lived in Govt housing. I expressed to our worker that I felt a guilty since my parents were financially stable and we would be eventually. She said that we are exactly the people the system is set up for. I saw the waste on those programs. As a family of five we got over $700 a month for food! We could eat like KINGS! We rarely used that much, and instead saved it so when we got a job we had something as a cushion to help pay our food bill during the transition as we moved across country and had a gap between student loans and first paycheck.
You said we used this, "as a stepping-stone toward the goal of self-reliance." That is the difference. When we were in gov't housing the office manager told us she saw families just live there for generations without ever trying to get out. If you earned money, then you had to pay rent. If you just did nothing, you paid no rent and got a check for utilities. There were perfectly capable people living there, they just didn't want to work because they would have to pay their own bills. Those are the people who are draining the country and totally dependent upon the govt programs. The people using it to get a leg up are just a great investment for the government!
01:34 PM on 10/01/2012
Exactly! The concept of a hand up versus a hand out. I'm ONE of those 47% he spoke of, and I found no offense in this whatsoever.

One also should take into account the audience he was speaking to.. in Utah no less. A large portion of which were LDS in nature, which explains some of the "mormon speak" he used in that informal setting. That's rather uncommon when he speaks to those that do not know the inside of the LDS faith so well.

I'm not concerned about this misunderstood comment as much as I am about lies coming out of the white house. I don't want a president I can't trust. Thus far I have not seen any evidence of Romney being an all out liar. Therefore I'm far more inclined to vote for someone who isn't outright lying to their country, and who just MIGHT go to their security briefings and care what goes on in them.
01:53 PM on 09/29/2012
Rationalizing/Justifying at its best!!!! Even the "righteous" are snowed!!! She forgot to mention she and her BYU graduate student husband not only relied on every government handout possible but more than likely cried in the bishop's office, begging for church assistance. Oh and BTW she paid a full tithing!!! How about getting the church facts straight and getting on the side of the 56% who didn't use the people for their own needs. Again keep your perfect dishonest life to yourself!!!!
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03:33 PM on 09/29/2012
My thoughts exactly Rachel!
01:58 AM on 09/30/2012
You are very critical of a very typical LDS couple...married young, in school, have a baby and qualify for govt services. She didn't mention going to the bishop, so that is an unfair inference on your part. There is nothing wrong with using these services as long as it is transitional. In their case, it sounds like it was. If they feel they are supposed to have a baby, then it is going to happen. If you don't like it, call your congressman and get them to change the law.
12:56 PM on 09/29/2012
mitt was talking about the 47% who not only don't pay taxes most of them recieve refunds from tax credits. They are also of the opinion that the government and other people should pay their way in life and have no desire to get education or a better job.I see nothing wrong with young families just starting out using government aid so they can gain education a better job become self sufficentand begin paying taxes. My wife and i currently recieve wic and foodstamps, and our kids are on medicaid, but in a year and a half I'll finish school get a better job and get off these programs that is my goal not to live off the government for life. when my wife graduates school three years from now our combined income will be around 120k annually we will be paying more than enough taxes to make up for the aid we have recieved.
01:36 PM on 10/01/2012
This is exactly our situation. In half a semester my husband will be a full fledged computer engineer and already has job offers. I fully anticipate not only paying back all the financial aid we've received quickly, but also to start paying taxes. I rather relish the idea of actually owing a bit of taxes and being part of those who contribute. What I don't relish is a government who isn't very responsible with the money they are given - but that's an argument for another post.
12:42 PM on 09/29/2012
My Marine Corps son falls into the 47% who do not pay taxes. They are reimbursed to him after he files each year. And I certainly understand the poverty level life style of students. We have been there too. Thanks for this posting.