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Jesus is Still Surrounded By Too Many Men

Posted: 06/16/11 07:18 PM ET

Pop quiz: Name three women leaders in evangelical Christianity.

Not including women known primarily as partner to their better-known husbands. And just to make it interesting, let's say they have to be under age 60.

Stumped? Don't feel too badly. You're not alone.

Back in 2005 when Time magazine published its list of the "25 Most Influential Evangelicals," only four women made the cut -- and just two without their husbands. Of the two solo women, Diane Knippers and Joyce Meyer, only Meyer is involved in actual church leadership.

But Meyer turned 68 earlier this month, and Knippers (then president of the Institute on Religion and Democracy), died of cancer shortly after the Time designation.

From the outside, the evangelical Christian world, insomuch as it is identified by its "celebrities," looks like Jesus' good ol' boys club: decidedly male and predominantly white.

In the words of the R&B group 702, "Where my girls at?"

Since she began her writing career in 2001, Margaret Feinberg, 37, has written more than two dozen books, including the critically acclaimed "The Organic God," "The Sacred Echo" and "Scouting the Divine." She is a sought-after speaker for gatherings of young evangelicals including Catalyst, Thrive and Creation Festival.

In 2005, Charisma magazine listed her among the 30 Christian leaders under 40 who represent "the future of the American church." She's probably the most influential young woman leader in evangelicalism you've never heard of.

Feinberg's newest book, "Hungry for God: Hearing God's Voice in the Ordinary and the Everyday," is a recasting of her 2001 spiritual memoir, "God Whispers: Learning to Hear His Voice."

"I wrote 'God Whispers' exploring the belief that as followers of Jesus, we are wired to hear and respond to the voice of God in our lives," Feinberg writes. "Hungry for God," revisits her memoir, updating the volume with about 70 percent brand-new material, to reflect her
spiritual growth over the last decade.

"There's a difference between knowing something and owning it," Feinberg said in a phone interview. "I own it now."

Feinberg and her husband Leif Oines spend most of the year crisscrossing the country, going from churches to colleges to conferences where Feinberg teaches spiritual lessons from the Bible and real life. She is an electrifying orator, sprightly pacing the stage with a Bible, her voice anchored by a confidence and wisdom well beyond her years. In short, sister can preach!

So why is it that at these events she is often one of the only women on the program? Is there a gender ghetto in evangelical Christianity?

"It's not a gender thing," Feinberg said. "There are thousands of pastors and writers and speakers all across the country of all races and ages who are doing incredible things for the kingdom (of God) who you won't see up there either. I think we're part of a generation where the values are changing."

Feinberg recently spoke at a large international Christian gathering -- unusual, she said, because the organizers were deliberate about including diverse voices. There were people of color, women, young and old, "famous" and not. "It was such a blessing to be in that kind of a
setting," she said.

Alas, at a follow-up gathering, where the emphasis on diversity was not as deliberate, the event reverted to the status quo: mostly middle-aged white guys, she said.

Like many women of her generation who were raised by mothers who lived through the equal rights movement of the '70s, "feminism" is pretty much a given, and invoking the term feels almost anachronistic.

While the traditional patriarchal slant of evangelicalism -- including opposition to women's leadership in general, and women's ordination in particular -- is no longer en vogue, its vestiges, however unspoken, remain.

"I wonder why we're even talking about this when there are so many needs around the world?" Feinberg said. "Now is not the time. When every starving person has food, when every homeless person has a place to live, when every well is dug, when AIDS has been eradicated in Africa,
when all of our neighbors know Jesus, then we can sit and debate about titles and who should do what."

Changing the gender and racial disparity in her spiritual community will not happen overnight, nor by strong-arming women and minorities into the Christian "stratosphere," she said. "You can't just take someone, no matter who it is, and throw them in front of a crowd of 40,000 people," she said. "Change has to start at the grassroots level, in all of our churches."

Church leaders need to start young, she said, training boys and girls alike to identify their spiritual gifts and find their voices.

"Start with children's church, then move to junior high and high school youth groups, then small groups, then give them 10 minutes to talk on a Sunday morning, then 20 minutes. The change has to come from the ground up.

"Right now, it should be all hands on deck," she said. "We need everyone sharing the good news of Jesus."

This column appears via the Religion News Service.

 
 
 

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Pop quiz: Name three women leaders in evangelical Christianity. Not including women known primarily as partner to their better-known husbands. And just to make it interesting, let's say they have ...
Pop quiz: Name three women leaders in evangelical Christianity. Not including women known primarily as partner to their better-known husbands. And just to make it interesting, let's say they have ...
 
 
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10:20 AM on 06/20/2011
"Let your women keep silence in the churches, for it is not permitted unto them to speak... And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)
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jwb2013
REAL EYES REALIZE REAL LIES.
10:07 AM on 06/19/2011
oh. my Self! i sure am glad to have come to my Self Awareness and no longer need to follow the control mongering of despots.
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jwb2013
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09:57 AM on 06/19/2011
that is Mary on his right hand side. of course the need for a savior depends on the reality of original sin. so, if adam and eve are not real ( and of course, they aren't), then there is no justification for jesus.
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gemmax
12:47 PM on 06/19/2011
It is a painting...art....not a portrait..
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jwb2013
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02:29 PM on 06/19/2011
suit yerself. LOL
10:34 PM on 06/19/2011
Agreed that is Mary on his right. But, hey, I don't believe in original sin but I could still use a savior to teach me about forgiveness of sins. As Milton said. There has always been a Jesus with us. He has just used different names...Orpheus, Isis, Buddha, maybe Mohamed ... etc.
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jwb2013
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10:44 PM on 06/19/2011
Far be it for me to determine who needs what for their own 'awareness' and development. . For me, 'sin', 'right', 'wrong' are value judgments and serve no use. there is no judgment except what we decide to judge.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
01:02 AM on 06/19/2011
RE: The headline for this article. You can blame the Roman Catholic Church for that. Early on they cut out of the history of early Christianity the many women that were part of Jesus' life and work and even wrote "gospels". They even insist that the obviously female figure to Jesus right in the Last Supper must be his "beloved" disciple John when it could very well be Mary Magdelene who some suggest was his wife. Indeed, if that WAS John, he must have been very effeminate, a word from the King James translation that has since been changed to "homosexual" in some Bibles. So was Jesus' beloved disciple gay?
Those fundie "christians" sure have a way of getting themselves all tangled up in their sexual angst and hypocrisy.
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gemmax
12:44 PM on 06/19/2011
I agree with some of what you said...but the painting of the Last supper is a painting...and that is all...we have no way of knowing what anyone looked like or where anyone sat. All of the remarks regarding the appearance of those present is complete conjecture. It is art...not a photograph.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
01:11 PM on 06/19/2011
Yes, I take your point. Da Vinci could not have known what they looked like but there is speculation that his feminine figure to Jesus' right is a deliberate conjecture, for reasons we cannot know about Da Vinci. The physical appearance of Jesus himself is unknown.
Yes, the portraits are indeed conjecture. One might say the artistic equivalent of historical fiction.
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04:43 PM on 06/19/2011
And the followers all went around in long flowing dresses and had long hippy hair also!
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07:38 PM on 06/18/2011
If there are too many men surrounding Jesus, perhaps we should take a cue from the ACLU playbook and insist that the painting be more inclusive. Perhaps an Italian painter could be commissioned and could paint a likeness of Barney Frank and Keith Olbermann in the foreground. Girly enough for you?
10:27 PM on 06/18/2011
Read the story next time.
05:53 PM on 06/18/2011
The question never seems to be: What is God telling me through His word, but rather: How can I twist or ignore His words so I can continue to feed my ego.
03:37 PM on 06/18/2011
The discontent for Feinberg is on the order of a less endowed child who wants the same recognition and gold star stickers that others receive out of earnest. And am I the only one whose noticed that her article's strike a cord of (fabricated) discontent among the genders....namely, that God mistakenly slanted the patriarchal order in favor of the opposition, the "status quo" and evenglical circus that is decidedly male and predominantly white.

Feinberg supposes that we are all part of her enlightened generation whose core values have changed because we are now somehow (more aware) and have become greater than the total sum of what God purposes of us. It is not enough to be the compliment and helper of the husband and bound up as one flesh when there are greater things to achieve from life. And perhaps for Feinberg, and others like herself there is some degree of disgrace in not being equal in headship.
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GhostOfFDR
You're on the slippery slope to socialism
03:26 PM on 06/18/2011
First century Palestine was not a place where women were considered equal to men. Women were essentially subservient to men. As a man who grew up there, Jesus would consider that to be normal. Although he showed mercy to some, he never suggested that they should be treated as equals. As a man, that's understandable. As a manifestation of God, some find it puzzling. Paul makes it pretty clear in his writing that he thinks women are not supposed to be a part of the church hierarchy.

It's not surprising that many Christians that this to heart. Nor is it surprising that many women resent it.
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04:45 PM on 06/19/2011
In the first place it's all made up - not true, a work of fiction!
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GhostOfFDR
You're on the slippery slope to socialism
05:19 PM on 06/19/2011
Yes, I forgot to mention that? ;)
10:45 PM on 06/19/2011
Understand St. Paul had a few problems of his own.
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GhostOfFDR
You're on the slippery slope to socialism
11:53 PM on 06/19/2011
"Few" would be the tip of that iceburg. He was probably just writing letters to work through his issues. Can you imagine his twitter feed?
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03:21 PM on 06/18/2011
Isn't it funny that the states that allow marriage between first cousins are the same ones that ban gay marriage?

http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/graphic-states-that-allow-same-sex-marriage-vs-states-that-allow-marriage-between-first-cousins/news/2009/12/26/6464
05:50 PM on 06/18/2011
30 of the 30 states who were allowed to vote, voted to ban same sex marriage. Why would you even argue for it? Weird.
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jwb2013
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09:58 AM on 06/19/2011
what is weird is homophobia.
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jabbaciv
So it goes.
10:52 AM on 06/19/2011
Because human rights aren't something to be voted upon.

You can't deny rights to a group based on its popularity, that's madness.
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01:45 PM on 06/18/2011
Every organization needs structure. Paul instructed the churches on organization in his letters to them, and I'm assuming in the visits He mentions as well. Why does it have to be a competition? Just because there are different roles for men and women in the Church, does not mean that a woman has the lesser role and a man the greater. Many churches in organized religion have adopted new rules and chosen to ignore the instructions in the Bible.Church enrollment is down. Paul was unique in that He did not know Jesus when Jesus lived upon the earth and He persecuted early Christians.The Lord himself called out to Him in a miraculous way, about 33 years after He went back to His Father. The work that was given to Paul was very special, in that He played a large role in the establishment of the early churches.Many people claim today that the sexes are the same except for obvious differences. How silly that is. Women have different physical needs and roles than men.
09:41 PM on 06/18/2011
I wonder what Paul knew about Jesus prior to his conversion? Like an intelligence agent going after a most wanted criminal, Paul probably knew a great deal about Jesus and His followers. Put lightly, He's the Samuel Gerard (Tommy Lee Jones) to Dr Richard Kimble (Harrison Ford ) in The Fugitive. All Paul needed was to understand the truth and innocence of Jesus. Then all of Paul's collected evidence could be flipped and he would have picture of the Messiah. As you well know, so much is revealed with one encounter with the real Messiah.
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10:39 PM on 06/18/2011
Thank you so much for your thoughts. I am fascinated by this servant of our Lord. I plan to write about Paul, with our Lord's help, very soon. It would take a lot of Faith to live up to a Christian like Paul, but I often feel some kinship with him since I have some physical problems and He speaks of his own from time to time. He is an inspiration to me, because he is not stopped by something so small as human infirmity when He is the child of an all powerful God. Those who dismiss his contribution and inspired writings, forget how unique and special his life in service was. And we, Christians often forget that our Lord has for each of us a unique and special service for Him.There are days in my life when I feel especially close to Him and today is one of those days. i am thankful for your input always because I know that it is honest and real. Your comparison to Tommy Lee Jones is perfection!:0)
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jabbaciv
So it goes.
10:55 AM on 06/19/2011
http://www.bible-researcher.com/warfield1.html
What must be noted in conclusion is: (1) That the prohibition of speaking in the church to women is precise, absolute, and all-inclusive. They are to keep silent in the churches — and that means in all the public meetings for worship; they are not even to ask questions; (2) that this prohibition is given especial point precisely for the two matters of teaching and ruling covering specifically the functions of preaching and ruling elders; (3) that the grounds on which the prohibition is put are universal and turn on the difference in sex, and particularly on the relative places given to the sexes in creation and in the fundamental history of the race (the fall).
03:35 PM on 06/19/2011
Acts 2:18
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days,
and they will prophesy.

An encounter with the Holy Spirit puts so much in perspective. Someone who remains filled and led by the Spirit is invaluable and they know it and others know it.
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gemmax
12:18 AM on 06/20/2011
You could just post the Scriptures that you are referring to. It is often most effective, rather than adding our own commentary to clearly written scripture. Just saying...
01:24 PM on 06/18/2011
Now this article is a perfect example of "Carnality Gone Wild". People, if you really believe that spiritually speaking, that the faith that was once revealed, as well as delivered to the first church members that consisted of 12 men and a innumerable number of women, afterwards should be concerning itself over gender bias issues, via the son's of Adam vs that of the daughters of Eve
you should have your bible examine. Look people, especially you who are of the so called christian faith, as opposed to just being a simple believer in Jesus as the Christ, i.e., your anointed savior.

Because In its cultural context, yes, it will apear that men have always been in the seat of authority, why! Because culturally speaking they are. How else, can you explain the why, that on any given sunday the average sepulcher I mean, church building, is occupied, body wise by the majority of Eve's daughters... but yet, head wise, is governed by a son of Adam, as if there were a hidden natural order of how things should be.

And besides, since I last checked, no one has been reported as to holding the proverbial gun to the heads of their female congregants in order to maintain the status quo of the sons of Adam.

Therefore, with the above mentioning being said, take spiritual solace in these words in that, in the Church that Christ is building 'THERE IS NEITHER MALE OR FEMALE" Gal 3:28.
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11:35 AM on 06/18/2011
Obedience to God is identified with life as the possession of the Spirit, while disobedience is identified with sin and death. Death is both a physical and an ethical phenomenon {appearance}. Because of this, we have to strive ethically in order to avoid spiritual death that will take from us the hope of physical immortality. When we were destitute of the celestial Spirit, we walked in former times in the oldness of the flesh, not obeying God; so now by receiving the Spirit, we walk in newness of life, obeying God. As without the Spirit of God, we cannot be saved. We have to preserve the Spirit of God, lest, having become non-participators of the Divine Spirit, we lose the Kingdom of Heaven.
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01:14 PM on 06/18/2011
According to God's Word, once we are born again , we cannot become unborn from the family of God. We do not rely on works to "keep" the Spirit. The Spirit gives us the desire to serve God to the best of our ability. When Jesus was here talking with early Christians, the Holy Spirit had not yet arrived.
03:40 PM on 06/18/2011
Good luck with that one.
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jwb2013
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10:00 AM on 06/19/2011
i was born perfect the first time...and will die perfect. and that reality is not dependent on mythic mind sets.
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galanos1
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01:58 PM on 06/18/2011
I disagree, Adam failed to become Spiritual, rejecting the Holy Spirit and becoming influenced by the devil’s spirit. The result was his separation from God and his physical death. All people share his predicament, because we all sinned in Adam. Nevertheless, Adam’s Fall was not inevitable. The Holy Spirit did not abandon humanity after Adam’s Fall.
The Holy Spirit prepared the fallen humanity to receive the Redeemer. He accomplished that through the Law and Prophets of the Old Testament. The redeemer is the Spiritual Christ who liberates people from the bondage of sin and death, offering them forgiveness, reunion with God and eternal life. Christ is the new Adam, Born of the Virgin Mary and the Spirit of God; being therefore a Spiritual man by nature. Christ possesses the Spirit and gives the Spirit to those who believe in him, making them Spiritual by Grace.
Church members are not sinless. However, they can be victorious over the devil because the “two Hands of God”
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jwb2013
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10:02 AM on 06/19/2011
i have one word...fantasy. adam and eve were the first humans?! but they came into an already populated world.
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gemmax
12:20 PM on 06/19/2011
You certainly have the right to your interpretation of Genesis.
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galanos1
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11:34 AM on 06/18/2011
Adam failed to become Spiritual, rejecting the Holy Spirit and becoming influenced by the devil’s spirit. The result was his separation from God and his physical death. All people share his predicament, because we all sinned in Adam. Nevertheless, Adam’s Fall was not inevitable. The Holy Spirit did not abandon humanity after Adam’s Fall.
The Holy Spirit prepared the fallen humanity to receive the Redeemer. He accomplished that through the Law and Prophets of the Old Testament. The redeemer is the Spiritual Christ who liberates people from the bondage of sin and death, offering them forgiveness, reunion with God and eternal life. Christ is the new Adam, Born of the Virgin Mary and the Spirit of God; being therefore a Spiritual man by nature. Christ possesses the Spirit and gives the Spirit to those who believe in him, making them Spiritual by Grace.
Church members are not sinless. However, they can be victorious over the devil because the “two Hands of God”
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What is Job's Crucible?
01:56 PM on 06/18/2011
Dear galanos1
I liked your summary very much. I belve that you are correct about what occured with the Adam and Eve saga.

I also agree that that all belivers are sinners and will hurt someone's feelings from time to time; after all they are only human. Let me also add that Christians should have compassion and love...but should never compromise the Gospel to please those who are living for the flesh and not the Spirit.As you said, this is why ADam and Eve failed, the Devil (the metaphor for the world and fleshly lusts) gave presented Adam and EVe a chice:The Sprit or the flesh. They compromised themselves and chose the the world. This si why I despise the concpt of liberal Christianity!
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10:03 AM on 06/19/2011
and i despise the concept of sin.
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galanos1
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08:59 AM on 06/21/2011
I totally disagree, The Spirit of God is what keeps this reality together, Adam and Eve is an event, nothing more, nothing less. God is attending to us through the Holy Spirit. Look at Genesis 1:2 God's message is clear, that He Created our reality from the deep.

Genesis 1:1-2 Explains
{1} In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
{2} And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. What do these words tell us: Genesis 1:1 explains that God Created heaven and earth, not hell. Genesis 1:2 explains that darkness was upon the face of the deep, darkness contained within the Word of God, not the separation of Light from God. Genesis 1:2 specifically indicate Light and Darkness are contained within the Word of God. Not the darkness of evil:
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galanos1
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04:03 PM on 06/18/2011
The Christian doctrine of Creation is formulated in opposition to the philosophical background of Gnosticism and or unbelievers, which accepts a creation out of something: Gnosticism and unbelievers belief is the creation of the world as an image of eternal prototypes, which are superior both to creator and the world. Such a view of creation makes God and humanity a slave of the eternal pre-existing matte, and creation just a decoration of this matter. Thus God is limited. He is not the absolute being and cannot change what already exists-maybe before him. The true fact is God Created our reality, one of an infinite reality’s for the first time ever for our Salvation. God did not abandon us in darkness and oblivion.
theaustralian
to the far left of right wing democrats
11:23 AM on 06/18/2011
I like the queen of sheba, now that was a woman with morals. But that cunning king solomon was a player, got her knocked up. But she still insisted on being an independent woman and going back to her people. Now thats a woman christians should admire.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
12:07 PM on 06/18/2011
theaustralian,

if you truly are "the Australian". your post makes sense. Your people come from a debased and criminal background. you were criminals because you lusted after things too much. The women that Chrstians should admire a woman like Mary Mary Magdalene. She was a woman of the world, but sought freedom from the demons within. The only person that could do that was Jesus. She should be admirred becuse she had faith in Jesus and her fiath saved her. The Queen of Sheba met her match in Solomon and he still got what he wanted. The Queen of Sheba was a slave to the world: Mary Magdalene forsaked the world and reesablised her claim as a daughter of God.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
09:39 PM on 06/18/2011
How about putting your head back up your backside, because you know nothing about Australia and your insults are as contemptible as your ignorance. We come from MANY backgrounds, we are as varied as you in America. And given that transportation was the punishment for petty crimes committed by starving people, I think you should look up the word "compassion" next time you're pushing your claims to be oh-so-Christian.
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12:14 AM on 06/19/2011
Historians, Theologians and scholars now agree, Mary Magdalene was never a prostitute. Also, the verses regarding the Queen of Sheba never infer that she slept with Solomon, only that she visited him to partake of his wisdom. So your comments about are not only insulting to our friends "down under" but you ignorance is blatant.
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rsttho557949
What is Job's Crucible?
11:06 AM on 06/18/2011
God hates 6 six things and one is them a person (false wtiness) who spreads lies and one who sows discord among brethren.(Proverbs 6:19). Seems that all these these guest bloggers do sis bash the Bible, Jesus and Christianity by purposely creating divisive controversies. Its alll the devils work.

The "hook"of this piece is not correct; women are front and center with Jesus. Its called teh first step in salvation. Without a woman, no one cane be saved. Doesn't matter if a woman is a beleiver or an atheist, the all came from a woman and all have the opportunity to be redeemed and return Home(John 3:5-6). One cannot have a greater status for Jesus!

The the other point is that we actually need MORE men to surround Jesus. Due to the effects of apathy caused by Pluralism, materialism, and realtive moral views on just about EVERYTHING in this world, men have fled away from Jesus. The people who have maintained their faith are the women. Men doesn't stand up for Jesus like they sed to; women do but not men. Men have been manipulated into watching silly reality shows, football games, pornography and spending too much time on the Internet promoting confusing and ungodly phllosophies. No, the women are still there with Jesus. Its usually the mother than reminds her children, "Wake up! Time for church!" The wise shoud remember Proverbs 6:19)
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gemmax
01:06 PM on 06/18/2011
I was just going to write, that there is a vast difference between what organized religion does to women and what a relationship with Christ does for a woman. Only someone who does not understand true Christianity would write such a piece.