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Celeste Fremon

Celeste Fremon

Posted: December 3, 2007 11:46 PM

With Her Eye On Nov. '08, Polls Dictate Clinton Crime Policy


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The following piece was produced by HuffPost's OffTheBus, and also appears on the author's blog,Witness L.A..

Why are so many progressives unhappy with the thought of Hillary Clinton becoming the Democratic nominee? Here's a perfect case in point:

This past weekend all the Democratic presidential wannabes spoke at what is known as the Iowa Brown & Black Forum. (The Republican wannabes were also invited but they declined.)

The candidates were asked all the usual questions and, for the most part, gave all the expected answers. But on one issue in particular Hillary differed markedly from her colleagues--and that had to do with the recent recommendation by the federal sentencing commission that people caught with crack cocaine should have sentences more in line with those for powder cocaine. This was an issue of interest to the forum because powder tends to be a drug favored by those whiter and wealthier than those who favor crack.

When asked about her own policy, Clinton said she agreed with the feds' recommendation for equalizing the sentences, but she opposed making the sentencing changes retroactive.

"I have problems with retroactivity," she said. "It's something a lot of communities will be concerned about as well." Obama, Edwards, Richarson, Dodd, Kucinich said they were in favor of the sentencing change being applied to those already serving time.

Now before we get to the reality of how such a sentencing change would play out, let's parse what Clinton said: Although she agrees that disproportionate punishments for crack versus cocaine are wrong for the future, she doesn't feel that past disproportionate punishments are wrong.

To show this POV for the whacked logic that it is, let's use an absurd example. Imagine that, as a country, we used to lock people up for twenty years for jaywalking. But then we finally came to our senses and realized that a 20-year jolt for crossing the street against the light was awfully harsh. So, we changed the sentencing structure, and dropped jaywalking back to a traffic citation, where it belongs. But using Clinton's present logic, all those poor jaywalkers who are, say, only eighteen months into a 20-year sentence are just going to have hang in with whole two decades of hard time.

Why is Clinton taking a stand that goes against basic fairness and logic?

Because evidently her pollsters and handlers have told her that Rudy Giuliani will attack her if she goes for retroactivity. "It will release 20,000 felons on the street!" (Actually, it won't. But we'll get to all that in a minute.)

Here's what Politco reported on the subject:

"Clinton's pollster, Mark Penn, pointed out that the Republican front-runner has already signaled that he will attack Democrats on releasing people convicted of drug crimes....."

"'Rudy Giuliani is already going after the issue," Penn said. "He's already starting to attack Democrats, claiming it will release 20,000 convicted drug dealers.'"

Now about those 20,000 felons about to flood our neighborhoods, here's the deal: People would NOT be automatically be released. They'd have to go before a court and argue that they were fit to be freed, and a judge would decide whether or not a release was warranted.

In an attempt to clear up the misconception advanced by Clinton and Giuliani (and perpetuated by the media) the ACLU sent out a press release on Monday. It's worth reading in its entirety, but ACLU Legislative Counsel Jesselyn McCurdy gets to the bottom line:

"The [Sentencing Commission] changed the crack cocaine sentencing guidelines last month because the commission realized they were unfair. It makes no sense to call a law unjust and in the same breath say it should still apply. Retroactivity doesn't mean prisoners will be released en masse; it means the mistakes in sentencing that have gone unchecked for decades will be corrected."

Right. As an attorney and as a senator, Hilary Clinton should know that. If she doesn't, shame on her. If she knows and is making her choice simply based on craven political motives, she doesn't deserve to be president.

 
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11:10 AM on 12/06/2007
The question of whether or not HRC is making a "choice simply based on craven political motives" must be rhetorical­. Her whole personal & politcal life consists of these choices. For the love of God, Clinton took a poll before they announced the Barbra Streisand endorsemen­t. Nope, not THIS woman...no­t this time. HRC is the problem, NOT the solution.
05:42 PM on 12/05/2007
Here we go again let's bash Hillary and Bill. I can read everyone of these posts and tell who is a real Democrat, a Republican and a left wing nut.Must be nice to have not a thing to do all day but think of ways to bash Hillary and Bill. The left wing nuts are like the right wing nuts , so far in outer space they will never come back to earth. The Republican­s, well they have been bashing Hillary and Bill and blaming them for everything that they don't like for years and most of the ones posting here are probably paid to do so.I wish there was a website that real Democrats could go and discuss the real issues with out all this Hillary and Bill Bashing. Obama is no saint either or any of the rest of the Democratic candidates for that matter. The bottom line is this WHO CAN seriously BEAT the REPUBLICAN­S in NOVEMBER of 2008? If you look at the entire country state by state in a general election, only the Clintons. That is reality no matter how much all you bloggers try to spin it. My family has been Democrats for over 175 years. I know how the process works and until you change the entire process that is the way it is. That is why the right leaning media jumps all over the Clinton's for saying the same thing all the other candidates have said. They want the Clinton's to lose the primarys so the will not have to run againist them in 08.
05:40 PM on 12/05/2007
"Why are so many progressiv­es unhappy?..­." I would posit: Why are so many progressiv­es disgusted with the Hillary bashing. It is because the impetus and momentum isn't coming out of the Democratic party or from the Progressiv­es. We progressiv­es want a Democrat in office in 2008, and we get behind the nominee that gets chosen. We aren't wasting our precious time or solidarity bashing Hillary or any of the candidates­. It is the GOP who is bashing Hillary, talking about Edward's haircuts and saying Obama is a Muslim. Get your sides right. If you want the key to making progressiv­es happy, listen to them, don't talk at them from the GOP playbook. Progressiv­es have a mentality that does not tear its own party apart. If you want to be one, go to progressiv­e school.
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04:06 PM on 12/05/2007
We need to stop the crime in Washington first.Acco­untability for their crimes against those who elected them. Arrest all the lobbyists for treason,br­ibing public officials, Arrest all bribe takers, its a crime any where else in America except Washington­, DC to offer a bribe,or take a bribe. So what the hell? We elected them in good faith for this? Now we have to elect a new gang boss, Hillary ?
01:56 PM on 12/05/2007
THE NASTY POST I'VE READ ABOUT HILLARY CLINTON LEADS THIS ELDERLY PERSON TO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE MANY "AFRAID OF A WOMAN BECOMING PRESIDENT"­...WHY SO?? MANY OF THE LEADING COUNTRIES IN THE "CIVILIZED WORLD" HAVE WOMEN AS LEADERS. PERHAPS TOO MANY IN THIS COUNTRY ARE BEHIND THE TIMES OR ARE AFRAID OF STRONG WOMEN?????
11:39 AM on 12/05/2007
Well, it's a gimme that she doesn't deserve to be president. We don't need the clinton and clinton ince in the White House again. Once was too many the first time.
11:16 AM on 12/05/2007
Like Bill Hil blows with the wind and decides when she lands which way she will turn and it is usually like the Iraq vote when she didn't read anything she just went with the republican­s like others. But she had the chance to vote the right way, if she had just done some reading available to her at the time. The rest of the story has been the same, I voted for that until those republican­s were found out to be liars over and over. I am a dem but Hil scares me deeply and completly. She is just another bush/chene­y rolled into one when you see beneath all of her crap she just wants the power not the job we want a president to do.
10:36 AM on 12/05/2007
I have spent time in the fed under their arcane drug laws and totally agree that the crack sentencing revision should be applied retroactiv­ely. I have two comments re: this article:

1. Hilary Clinton is frightenin­g. We do not know who is behind the the mask or the curtain I even wonder, at time, if there's anybody home at all. I have the same sinking feelings that, once again we'll be led by a corporate sponsored and controlled puppet. I felt the same way about Reagan, Bush senior, shrub and now (sadly) Hilary.

2. Re: release from Federal prison for revised sentencing­. I know of no provision in the Federal Statutes nor in the Sentencing Guidelines that would require a felon to argue his suitabilit­y for release before a judge. A revised sentences is a revised sentence ...period. When one has completed one's time, one is released. (parole was eliminated in 1987). No appearance before a judge is required as the law presently stands and as the system operates today.
10:27 AM on 12/05/2007
It was fascinatin­g that Hillary suggested giving each child born in America a $5,000.00 'account' that could be built upon throughout the life of that child SPEAKS VOLUMES...­.

1.) It infers that the ECONOMY WILL NOT GET BETTER FOR THE POOR IN AMERICA FROM THIS POINT...

2.) It infers that the SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM NOW IN PLACE WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE IN THE FUTURE- 20, 30 years or so...

3.) It infers that CORPORATIO­NS WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR WORKERS AND NOT PROVIDE A LIVING WAGE FOR FAMILIES IN THE FUTURE....

4.) It infers that CORPORATIO­NS WILL CONTINUE TO DICTATE THEIR INFLUENCE OF WEALTH UPON THE POLICIES OF AMERICA IN REGARDS TO OUR OWN CITIZENS..­...

5.) It infers that LIVING WAGE JOBS WILL DECREASE IN THE FUTURE AND PERSONAL 'ACCOUNT' WILL BE A TOKEN OF WHAT THE AMERICAN WORKER WILL NEED FOR EDUCATING THEIR CHILDREN, FOR PROVIDING THEIR OWN HEALTHCARE­, ETC....
10:12 AM on 12/05/2007
Hillary is worried about Rudy attacking her for being soft on drugs? We recently saw that one of Rudy's close associates brags about smuggling plane loads of cocaine into the country. The war on drugs is a complete unconstitu­tional. It's sole purpose is to control the less fortunate in our society.
09:22 AM on 12/05/2007
Hillary is disgusting­. She is willing to let thousands of people rot in jail when she admits the sentencing was unfair. It reminds me of when during the campaign for President Bill Clinton took time out to go to Little Rock so he could preside over the execution of a mentally retarded
inmate. What a compassion­ate couple.
Kucinich is the only one with true compassion for the average American as his life story shows.Ther­e is no difference between Hillary and the Republican­s- they both lack any compassion and only care about the rich supporters they have.
08:56 AM on 12/05/2007
The clinton years may have been good at the time but
the welfare to work bill never funding the mothers for
proper education and never funding the children for
proper child care and the 1994 clinton crime bill that
took away pell grants which lead from a 30% recidivism
rate to a 70% rate cost americans dearly as prisons
were privatized and children were allowed to go wild
due to mothers having to work two jobs at micky D's
and now we pay 100k a yr to support these children in
jails as bill never reduced crack cocaine which puts
them in jail longer and thusly we pay to keep them
there which has caused us all to be further in debt
and more kids killing others as they see no jobs
because their mothers never got educated and could be
examples to them.

yea they were great yrs but turned to hell very fast
after Slick willy got out and then he goes to a bunch
of balck churches and gets seen as the black president
NOT and now we all suffer and blame bush for slick
willys term and actions and inactions.

yeaa it was great but for who and for how long ???


Here is what she did during her time with the
www.childr­ensdefense­fund.org and this doesn't count
what she may have done with walmart.

http://www­.childrens­defense.or­g/site/Pag­eServer?pa­gename=c2p­p_summit20­07
2007 Cradle to Prison Pipeline®
Crisis in America National Summit

September 25 - 26, 2007
Howard University
Washington­, D.C.



http://72.­14.205.104­/search?q=­cache:E_T5­2L02xVsJ:www.answer­s.com/topi­c/marian-w­right-edel­man+marian­+wright+ed­elman+hill­ary+clinto­n+children­+prison&hl=en&ct=­clnk&cd=3&­gl=us

In 1997, Edelman criticized President Clinton for his
welfare reform package by warning it could lead to
record numbers of uninsured children, increased child
abuse, and rising firearms deaths. The CDF's "The
State of America's Children Yearbook 1997" criticized
the package and warned that "if America does not stand
up now for its children, it will not stand strong in
the new millennium­."
08:13 AM on 12/05/2007
Hillary Rodham Clinton is a born and raised Republican who happened to marry a Democrat and not a very good one at that. She connives like a Republican­, she waffles like a Republican­, and she votes like a Republican­. Quack, quack.
07:37 AM on 12/05/2007
Hiliary is conducting a war campaign and relies mostly on guerilla tactics. However, occassiona­lly when she has to participat­e in an outright battle she sometimes deliberate­ly has to run over her own troops when the ground situation changes in order to achieve the objective. It's a difficult decision for any general.
07:31 AM on 12/05/2007
Hillary is NOT the "man" for the job in the White House. Her true colors are still buried.