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An Overlooked Hate Sermon by Rev. Hagee

Posted May 2, 2008 | 02:07 PM (EST)

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As everyone is concentrating on the loathsome things that Rev. Hagee has said about New Orleans, or gay people, or Muslims, or Catholics, his more radical views on the poor and his encouragement of violence in Christianity has been overlooked.

Get a load of the hateful things Reverend Hagee had to say on those issues in the video below:

I call this a hate sermon by Reverend Hagee. I'm not sure what else you can call it when they guy is shouting maniacally at poor people to "Starve!" and encouraging others to die before they compromise on (Hagee's view of) Christianity.

This is the man John McCain is proud to be endorsed by? And we're having conversation about Rev. Wright while this is out there? Obama has repudiated Wright. Will McCain give a similar 45 minute speech explaining his relationship to hateful evangelical preachers like Rev. Hagee? I'm waiting.


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collapse mbh78213 See Profile I'm a Fan of mbh78213

The reason Hagee's church is "non-denominational" is that no denomination will have him. While he was an Assembly of God pastor thirty years ago, he diddled a congregant (why anybody would sleep with such a repulsive man is beyond me). When the you-know-what hit the fan (along with other dealings), he was not only kicked out of that particular congregation, he was defrocked. Rather than go away quietly and look for a different career, he got divorced, married the mistress, and started Cornerstone, where ever since he has been condemning divorced people in his sermons. Btw, his doctoral degrees are honorary, from universites that he contributed money to. Recently Cornerstone School made the news in San Antonio because Hagee had unsucessfully tried to sue his way into the UIL (athletic and academic league for public schools in Texas). He wants to win a basketball championship really badly (something on his check list before he unleashes Armageddon), but his teams have no league to play in since the private school league dismissed them due to Hagee's recruiting practices. Basically, he flew in teenaged basketball pros and semi-pros from foreign countries and passed them off as students. Hagee claimed the denial of UIL membership violated the First Amendment; supposedly it's religious discrimination if his boys aren't allowed to play basketball against public schools. Didn't fly with the judge.
Not only is he a hate-monger and dangerous nut job, but he is also a hypocrite and a crook.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 05/07/2008
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What is so important and tragic about this McCain/Hagee relationship, is that GW Bush killed Iraqis talking to Hagee's God, and now McCain wants to kill Iranians with Hagee's blessings.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 05/04/2008
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What's even more important and tragic is that Hagee thinks that McCain is the candidate who will make his dreams come true.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 05/07/2008
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I have no problems with anyone who wants to believe in Jesus, Allah, Yawee, or the easter bunny, but I believe that religion as an organized entity is evil. Religion is not GOD. Going to chuch doesn't make you a chrsitina any more than going to the garage makes you a car.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 05/04/2008
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I listen to The Young Turks every day and Cenk always cuts to the heart of it.
NOW, EVERY time you hear Obama/Wright mentioned anywhere, you write to them and DEMAND that they start being balanced and DEMAND that they ask McCain to explain these statements and to "reject and denounce" him, etc.
Look at all they have demanded of Obama. They should do the same to McCain.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 05/04/2008
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EWWWWWWW

Hagee is simply odious!

I've never heard anything that hateful in my own church and don't ever want to.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:51 AM on 05/04/2008
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Hagee is one of the most loathesome, repulsive, and dangerous people in America today.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 05/05/2008
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There is a lengthy article in today's New York Times discussing the Hagee-McCain connection. It discusses some but by no means all of Hagee's activities. Here is the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/opinion/04rich.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 AM on 05/04/2008
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Why would you give any creedence to comments by ANY religious leaders.

These are people who seek to control the masses by spewing out fantasies from the pulpit each week. Immaculate conceptions, burning bushes, 72 virgins or is it 72 raisins.

It is all Fairy tales and only serves to distract us from the current and very real human dramas being played out each day that demand our attention.

Religion has NO place in government.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 AM on 05/04/2008
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NO ONE CARES!

Maybe if Hagee wore a dashiki and McCain got a deep tan people will care but the white preacher and the white war hero? Not a chance. It's not the MSM's job to do fair and accurate reporting on both sides of the issues. Their job is to get ratings for their corporate overlords and nothing gets white folks glued to their tv sets like "the angry black man" come to turn the white house into a black panther party.

It's like the propaganda department that fed BS to army officials and had those officials pump that propaganda into our homes thanks to the MSM. Doing that story goes against their interests so why do it? What's in it for them? What's in it for their masters and overlords but lower ratings and culpability? What's the incentive supposed to be. To seek and deliver the unbiased truth to the masses, so they can make an informed opinion on who would be the best president for America? Where's the money in that?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 05/04/2008
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"Anyone who had the misfortune of watching it will know how hard it is to do the Lord"s work in the city of Satan"

Jeremiah Wright?

No.

JOHN MCCAIN!

Exactly who is John McCain?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 AM on 05/04/2008
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Hey, Hagee ain't a "mad" black guy.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 AM on 05/04/2008
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What Hagee said about laziness and poverty is found in many verses in the bible.
Here are two:

Proverbs 19:15 (NKJV)
Laziness casts one into a deep sleep, And an idle person will suffer hunger.

Proverbs 28:19 (NKJV)
He who tills his land will have plenty of bread, But he who follows frivolity will have poverty enough!

I agree that if you are indeed lazy then you should not be rewarded.

However like rev. Wright, Hagee pushes the two commandments (first love God with everything you have got then love your neighbor as yourself) to the extreme.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 PM on 05/03/2008
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Okay, lets round up those lazy senoirs - off to the work camps!
And those child labor laws - roll them back too-

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:22 PM on 05/04/2008
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I wonder if this chirstian 'fatwa' pertains to 'trust fund' babies who toil not but are richly rewarded. The sooner we move past these useless bible fables the better off humanity will be.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 05/04/2008
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My point is that the bible can be used to show good and evil.

Whenever I find a scripture that seems to contradict God's love, I always go back to the passage where Jesus and the devil locked horns in the wilderness for 40 days.

It is in that passage that we see the devil (extreme evil)accurately quote scripture to prove his point and Jesus (extreme good) accurately quote scripture to counter the devil's points.
Example: Matthew 4:5

Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up,Lest you dash your foot against a stone.' "
Jesus said to him, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt the Lord your God.' "

This why I have a problem with preachers who damn others before putting God's love first. Even though what they are saying is technically true.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 05/04/2008
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There's something deeply disturbing about a "man of God" shouting "STARVE!"

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 05/04/2008
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So hate speech is found in a book of Fairy Tales.

WHY am I not surprised?

That same book also gives advice on proper behavior on daughters.

"Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:24-25)

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 AM on 05/04/2008
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Are you assuming poor people are lazy? (Which is, and has been, the platform of the Republican Party for half a century). The Bible was cooperatively written during agrarian times. We now have 6 Billion people in the world and not enough food and water. Even if some people (like almost everyone living in this country) were not wasteful, we STILL would not have enough food and water.

Poverty, in modern times, has much more to do with geography, topography, lack of opportunity, and de jure injustice than laziness.

And even if it didn't, anyone who would allow his fellow man, woman, or child to starve for the purpose of proving a point has a heart full of hate. Jesus was not a man of hate. How would he view a sermon such as this?

And your comparison of Hagee to Wright is beyond offensive. Show me one quote where Wright advocated death by famine as punishment. The United Church of Christ is philanthropic and committed to serving the poor.

In summary, when you start quoting Bible passages in an effort to defend this point of view, you reveal a myopic world view and a sophomoric understanding of Jesus.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 AM on 05/04/2008
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Rev. Hagee has larger geo-political aims than using hunger as a weapon. Readers might be interested in Rev. Hagee's book on the coming Armageddon. Check it out at Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Jerusalem-Countdown-John-Hagee/dp/1591858933

Note the mushroom cloud on the cover.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 PM on 05/03/2008
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I think Hagee is confused: it was not Jesus who said "he who does not work, does not eat." It was Stalin. Rather, "when you did this for the least of my breathren, you did this for me." Or James saying that it is not enough to tell someone to eat and be warm if you do not provide her/him with the essentials of life.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 PM on 05/03/2008
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The old news items below are why the McCain/Hagee connection cannot be swept aside. Both GW Bush and Osama bin-Laden killed because God ordered and blessed them.

BBC"
President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq - and create a Palestinian State, a new BBC series reveals.

So now we know. After all the mountains of commentary and speculation, all the earnest debates over motives and goals, all the detailed analyses of global strategy and political ideology, it all comes to down to this: George W. Bush waged war on Iraq because, in his own words, God "instructed me to strike at Saddam."

Then recall that, on June 4, 2003, President George W. Bush confided to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas: "God told me to strike at Al Qaeda and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did."

"I am driven with a mission from God". God would tell me, "George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan". And I did. And then God would tell me "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq". And I did. And now, again, I feel God"s words coming to me, "Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East". And, by God, I"m gonna do it.

The McCain/Hagee parternship is clearly the most dangerous for living beings here on this planet.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 05/03/2008
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McCain's buddies in the main stream media will not even play this once. If this does get played it will not be to the extent that Rev. Wright"s comments were aired. Remember MSM didn't ask the Pope why he shelters Cardinal Bernard Law. MSM didn't ask the Pope why he continues to say that the pedophilia priests are "the American problem." MSM didn't ask a single catholic journalist or catholic politician why they would stay members of the catholic church - an institution that shelters pedophiles.
MSM has not hounded McCain about other comments that Rev. Hagee has which are deplorable and MSM is not going to press McCain on his seeking the support of Rev. Hagee.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 05/03/2008
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the hundreds of lost souls in that "church", and thousands who attend this kind of "churches", do you really think, such an individuum, like this bigot fat devil hagee, vomiting hate speeches out of his sick and ugly head, has anything to do with christianity????

in the years 1400 to 1600 after christ, in europe, in the the so called middle age, such rhetoric

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5517

would perhaps have been in some christian circles welcome, while they were burning women with red hair for "being" witches or later in the second world war these kind of rhetoric could very likely be part of nazi brainwash playbooks.

gimme a break.

how old is your culture and your political tradition?

about 200 years, right?

well, this is obvious, in so many aspects.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 05/03/2008
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"Would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet?"

Ok... a little on the opposite side of the spectrum, but the sentiment is the same. Hate is hate no matter who spews it.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 05/03/2008
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Are you seriously comparing the advocacy of death by famine with a comment suggesting that a foreign policy premised upon puppetry and short term alliances, with dictators who brutalized their citizens, might then motivate those downtrodden citizens to strike back?

Your comment that "hate is hate" reveals the culmination of the quarter century campaign of the establishment class to dumb down our citizenry to the point of no return. This is the result of the establishment decision not to teach Civics in our schools anymore.

"Hate is hate." Give me a fucking break.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 05/04/2008
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What Obama **should have said** about Wright (at the beginning) is that Wright is a highly patriotic ex-marine who is truly sickened by some of the things he's seen this country do - like support dictators because they allow us to build Coca-Cola factories, for example, and especially something like defying the Geneva Convention and allowing terrorism - that when Wright thought about these things that have happened in his lifetime, he felt an obligation to speak out against them - and that he, Obama, doesn't always agree with Wright, but he does understand his views.

And if people insist on dragging this into the light again, which they probably will, it's not too late to say these things.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 05/03/2008
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Well, this is how one voter sees the election. Come November, I tend to think my vote will be cast for Obama. If it's Clinton or McCain, I'd lean Clinton. I am not totally ruling out a vote for McCain, however.

Oh, and after studying the health care proposals, I've finally realized what Clinton's comes down to: The middle class under-insured and uninsured who are usually self-employed or independent contractors. This group would have to purchase full coverage health insurance and would not qualify for a subsidy. The Clinton model doesn't affect those who are insured through their job or qualify for medicaid due to being low income. Even though I respect Elizabeth Edwards' efforts, I can't help seeing the unfair burden a mandate would place on the middle class.

These are only my views, the way I am digesting my choices, and are not meant to demean any candidate. They've all done some good for the country, and on some level I have respect and admiration for all three.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:25 PM on 05/03/2008
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Your observations about health care are right on the money. The "original sin" of our health care system is that it is wedded to employment. More specifically, it is wedded to employment by another, not oneself. As a result, our system of providing health insurance (or not providing it, more to the point), is stifling innovation and productivity. How many inventors and entrepreneurs continue to work at jobs for which they are overqualified and under-utilized because they can't risk going out on their own?

That is why single-payer health care is the way to go. Now, when you say that Republicans, and even some Democrats, ignorantly cry "socialism!" They do this without seeing how our current employer provided insurance system is killing innovation and our competitiveness in the world economy. We already have "socialism" because taxpayers foot the bill for the uninsured, we just have an incredibly inefficient version of it.

Obama has said if he could go back and undo this original sin, he would create a single-payer health care plan. But Hillary's plan, FORCING an entire segment of the population to buy insurance on the open market when they can't get it from an employer, and not giving them a subsidy, actually stifles innovation and entreprenuership even more than the current system!! I have two healty, forty-something married friends who have no children. Both are self-employed. They pay $1200 per month for health insurance. Only $150 less than their mortgage.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 AM on 05/04/2008
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I know several people who stay in their jobs when they could go into consulting. The reason is that they or their spouse have a pre-existing medical condition and of course they simpley can't get insurance. They are chained to corporate or government employment.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 AM on 05/04/2008
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I didn't know what the fuss was about when I read that McCain had sought and accepted the endorsement of Haggee. Then, I learned he teaches that the Catholic church is the whore referred to in Revelations. I'm a non-denominational Christian but my mother was raised Catholic, and I have a high regard for the Catholic church and its present day works. What disturbs me is that Haggee is denouncing PEOPLE. I viewed Wright's comments as denouncing policy. In any case, I am not voting based on these religious endorsements as flattering or unflattering as they may be.

Though McCain is a war hero and Clinton an experienced campaigner, Obama is looking more and more like the right choice for President to get some things solved for America in my opinion. I think he'll usher in a new era of stability in the middle east and get more regional support than any candidate. Both his Illinois state senate record and US senate record are more substantive than Clinton's, and he's served longer than she has an elected official. Obama's plans are as specific as Clinton's, and Clinton uses "words" to describe hers too. McCain seems to be making the wrong calls on the economy and the war compared to Obama. I've already read much about Obama's economic plans and the analysis points to Obama better serving Americans on this front.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 05/03/2008
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Seriously, your two comments are two of the most reasoned ones I have seen in the blogosphere to date in this primary season.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 AM on 05/04/2008
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Can you understand that the rest of the world is very, very much afraid of America? A bigot, demented religious demagogue, pandering to the silliest part of the voting populace, ("reverend", ha, someone to be "revered"!) is taken seriously, even by a presidential contender, gives reason to believe that a Kindergarten mentality like McCain (dancing "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran") and his ilk will not hesitate to start the final atomic WWIII, just to prove that his crony, the "bible" thumper is right. The worst self-fulfilling imaginable prophesy. America has lost all credit on this planet, which it once had acquired after WWII. Maybe Obama is the only one who can change this, but even so I am not sure.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 05/03/2008
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Well, he'll try. He is not magic, but he'll sure as hell try. That is what we need. And he's wicked smart, which I kind of enjoy.

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 02:02 AM on 05/04/2008
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Cenk:

Great post dude...you need to reach out more often.

Why don"t you have your own vine on the "multicolor"...!?!?

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 05/03/2008
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Wow!

I am stunned by this awful evil man the Rev Hagee.

Did you see his church-some people are giving him a lot of money

favoriteFavorite Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 05/03/2008