An Overlooked Hate Sermon by Rev. Hagee
As everyone is concentrating on the loathsome things that Rev. Hagee has said about New Orleans, or gay people, or Muslims, or Catholics, his more radical views on the poor and his encouragement of violence in Christianity has been overlooked.
Get a load of the hateful things Reverend Hagee had to say on those issues in the video below:
I call this a hate sermon by Reverend Hagee. I'm not sure what else you can call it when they guy is shouting maniacally at poor people to "Starve!" and encouraging others to die before they compromise on (Hagee's view of) Christianity.
This is the man John McCain is proud to be endorsed by? And we're having conversation about Rev. Wright while this is out there? Obama has repudiated Wright. Will McCain give a similar 45 minute speech explaining his relationship to hateful evangelical preachers like Rev. Hagee? I'm waiting.
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the hundreds of lost souls in that "church", and thousands who attend this kind of "churches", do you really think, such an individuum, like this bigot fat devil hagee, vomiting hate speeches out of his sick and ugly head, has anything to do with christianity????
in the years 1400 to 1600 after christ, in europe, in the the so called middle age, such rhetoric
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would perhaps have been in some christian circles welcome, while they were burning women with red hair for "being" witches or later in the second world war these kind of rhetoric could very likely be part of nazi brainwash playbooks.
gimme a break.
how old is your culture and your political tradition?
about 200 years, right?
well, this is obvious, in so many aspects.
"Would a rose by any other name not smell as sweet?"
Ok... a little on the opposite side of the spectrum, but the sentiment is the same. Hate is hate no matter who spews it.
Are you seriously comparing the advocacy of death by famine with a comment suggesting that a foreign policy premised upon puppetry and short term alliances, with dictators who brutalized their citizens, might then motivate those downtrodden citizens to strike back?
Your comment that "hate is hate" reveals the culmination of the quarter century campaign of the establishment class to dumb down our citizenry to the point of no return. This is the result of the establishment decision not to teach Civics in our schools anymore.
"Hate is hate." Give me a fucking break.
What Obama **should have said** about Wright (at the beginning) is that Wright is a highly patriotic ex-marine who is truly sickened by some of the things he's seen this country do - like support dictators because they allow us to build Coca-Cola factories, for example, and especially something like defying the Geneva Convention and allowing terrorism - that when Wright thought about these things that have happened in his lifetime, he felt an obligation to speak out against them - and that he, Obama, doesn't always agree with Wright, but he does understand his views.
And if people insist on dragging this into the light again, which they probably will, it's not too late to say these things.
Well, this is how one voter sees the election. Come November, I tend to think my vote will be cast for Obama. If it's Clinton or McCain, I'd lean Clinton. I am not totally ruling out a vote for McCain, however.
Oh, and after studying the health care proposals, I've finally realized what Clinton's comes down to: The middle class under-insured and uninsured who are usually self-employed or independent contractors. This group would have to purchase full coverage health insurance and would not qualify for a subsidy. The Clinton model doesn't affect those who are insured through their job or qualify for medicaid due to being low income. Even though I respect Elizabeth Edwards' efforts, I can't help seeing the unfair burden a mandate would place on the middle class.
These are only my views, the way I am digesting my choices, and are not meant to demean any candidate. They've all done some good for the country, and on some level I have respect and admiration for all three.
Your observations about health care are right on the money. The "original sin" of our health care system is that it is wedded to employment. More specifically, it is wedded to employment by another, not oneself. As a result, our system of providing health insurance (or not providing it, more to the point), is stifling innovation and productivity. How many inventors and entrepreneurs continue to work at jobs for which they are overqualified and under-utilized because they can't risk going out on their own?
That is why single-payer health care is the way to go. Now, when you say that Republicans, and even some Democrats, ignorantly cry "socialism!" They do this without seeing how our current employer provided insurance system is killing innovation and our competitiveness in the world economy. We already have "socialism" because taxpayers foot the bill for the uninsured, we just have an incredibly inefficient version of it.
Obama has said if he could go back and undo this original sin, he would create a single-payer health care plan. But Hillary's plan, FORCING an entire segment of the population to buy insurance on the open market when they can't get it from an employer, and not giving them a subsidy, actually stifles innovation and entreprenuership even more than the current system!! I have two healty, forty-something married friends who have no children. Both are self-employed. They pay $1200 per month for health insurance. Only $150 less than their mortgage.
I know several people who stay in their jobs when they could go into consulting. The reason is that they or their spouse have a pre-existing medical condition and of course they simpley can't get insurance. They are chained to corporate or government employment.
I didn't know what the fuss was about when I read that McCain had sought and accepted the endorsement of Haggee. Then, I learned he teaches that the Catholic church is the whore referred to in Revelations. I'm a non-denominational Christian but my mother was raised Catholic, and I have a high regard for the Catholic church and its present day works. What disturbs me is that Haggee is denouncing PEOPLE. I viewed Wright's comments as denouncing policy. In any case, I am not voting based on these religious endorsements as flattering or unflattering as they may be.
Though McCain is a war hero and Clinton an experienced campaigner, Obama is looking more and more like the right choice for President to get some things solved for America in my opinion. I think he'll usher in a new era of stability in the middle east and get more regional support than any candidate. Both his Illinois state senate record and US senate record are more substantive than Clinton's, and he's served longer than she has an elected official. Obama's plans are as specific as Clinton's, and Clinton uses "words" to describe hers too. McCain seems to be making the wrong calls on the economy and the war compared to Obama. I've already read much about Obama's economic plans and the analysis points to Obama better serving Americans on this front.
Seriously, your two comments are two of the most reasoned ones I have seen in the blogosphere to date in this primary season.
Can you understand that the rest of the world is very, very much afraid of America? A bigot, demented religious demagogue, pandering to the silliest part of the voting populace, ("reverend", ha, someone to be "revered"!) is taken seriously, even by a presidential contender, gives reason to believe that a Kindergarten mentality like McCain (dancing "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran") and his ilk will not hesitate to start the final atomic WWIII, just to prove that his crony, the "bible" thumper is right. The worst self-fulfilling imaginable prophesy. America has lost all credit on this planet, which it once had acquired after WWII. Maybe Obama is the only one who can change this, but even so I am not sure.
Well, he'll try. He is not magic, but he'll sure as hell try. That is what we need. And he's wicked smart, which I kind of enjoy.
Cenk:
Great post dude...you need to reach out more often.
Why don’t you have your own vine on the ‘multicolo
Wow!
I am stunned by this awful evil man the Rev Hagee.
Did you see his church-some people are giving him a lot of money
Cenk: talk about taking things out of context, you surely did. You didn't hear Hagee very good he said if your not willing to work starve, starve, starve. I agree with him if your able to work you should work or starve. The rest of his sermon was straight out of the bible. Not his words, but Gods words.
With the economy like it is, some people are going to work AND starve. Let's not blame that on Jesus.
That goes against Jesus's teachings to help those less fortunate, to feed & clothe them. It's in the Bible! :)
Rev. Wright also used gods words from the bible in his controversal sermons.
Check out Bill Moyers comments regarding Rev. Wright.
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Ye, like god damn america. I can't seem to find that verse though. Could you help a brother out?
I hope you never lose your job. Or suffer an unexpected major medical event that leaves you bankrupt. Or find yourself disabled (perhaps by a drunk driver or an industrial accident caused by a negligent employer). Or find yourself victimized by fraud.
God, you're just so superior, aren't you? You are so much better than the rest of us. You are willing to work. That's all it takes, right? Because we all know you can pay the rent, buy gas, and feed yourself in an era of record stagflation on minimum wage from McDonald's. Never mind that a gallon of milk costs more than half of the hourly federal minimum wage.
This is where you say: But they don't have to work at McDonald's! They should have gone to college! So easy to say when you are born with the baseline advantages so many in our society lack.
The next time you scream "starve!", go to YouTube and look at images of children starving in Pakistan after the '05 earthquake. Watch them, look into their eyes, and scream "STARVE!" You will have successfully reserved your spot in Hell, where you so clearly belong.
Ray ray ray..."God
It sadly is a matter of time before some white zealot nut (like a McVeigh)..
What ever happend to that white kid..who was arrested with bomb making materials to use against the protestors at J. Falwell's funeral...
I am a white Presbyteri
Sorry, Cenk, but this Swift Boat won't float.
Cenk, you're sunk.
Hagee is what the phrase "anti-American" was meant to describe.
"anti-Christ" works too.......
Swift Boat is making stuff up. Lying. Cenk's just using the guy's own words to show how awful he is, and illustrate a very good point: the Right loves to use religious extremists to for fake outrage when they support the Left, but they can't ignore their own equally hateful and lunatic religious zealots.
watch a great video by Bill Moyers on his thoughts on Rev. Wright...
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Obama '08
This Hagee is the sort of schmuck that gives Christians a bad name.
cenk, you're right on the money. and what this also demonstrates is the inherent racism of pillorying jeremiah wright when lunatics like hagee can preach hatred and starvation for our less fortunate citizens. starve? what about the children of these so-called "lazy" folks who "won't" get jobs? i guess it's their tough luck, huh? why isn't there outrage over these statement? because hagee is white. and his most vile murderousness is reserved for brown people overseas. it's enough to make you want to hang your head in shame. or...to get really pissed and demand that we vote on the issues and not the media-driven outrage factory.
Boy oh boy, Cenk, you upset my apple cart! I changed my mind thanks to your report on this hate monger.
If Obama gets the nomination and not Hillary, I will vote Obama.
I can see now that McCain's decision to tank is a concession to the Bush family. His pragmatism stinks.
Our country will no longer be a Republic. Corporate Fascism has won.
Pastor Hogee blamed New Orleans destruction on the sinners, now the mid-west is ravaged by destruction, who are the sinners now? Pastor Hogee must have some insight to share, eh??
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