An Overlooked Hate Sermon by Rev. Hagee
As everyone is concentrating on the loathsome things that Rev. Hagee has said about New Orleans, or gay people, or Muslims, or Catholics, his more radical views on the poor and his encouragement of violence in Christianity has been overlooked.
Get a load of the hateful things Reverend Hagee had to say on those issues in the video below:
I call this a hate sermon by Reverend Hagee. I'm not sure what else you can call it when they guy is shouting maniacally at poor people to "Starve!" and encouraging others to die before they compromise on (Hagee's view of) Christianity.
This is the man John McCain is proud to be endorsed by? And we're having conversation about Rev. Wright while this is out there? Obama has repudiated Wright. Will McCain give a similar 45 minute speech explaining his relationship to hateful evangelical preachers like Rev. Hagee? I'm waiting.
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I understand you think it is unfair that Obama is being hurt by reverend Wright.
However, isn't it then a little hypocritical to demand that McCain then be treated in a way you believe to be unfair?
In addition, the relationship between McCain and Hagee isn't similar to the relationship between McCain and Obama. Hagee is merely a supporter of McCain. Wright is Obama's spirtual mentor. Obama was a member of Wrights Church for twenty years and donated over 20k. McCain isn't a member of Hagees church and as far as I know has never donated money.
Come to the table with honest intentions and we will sit down and have a nice talk.
"I understand you think it is unfair that Obama is being hurt by reverend Wright. However, isn't it then a little hypocritical to demand that McCain then be treated in a way you believe to be unfair?"
Personally, I do BOT think that Mr. Uygur is being hypocritical -- since the damage to Obama has already been done. If Reverend Wright is to be Obama's albatross, why shouldn't Rev. Hagee hang around McCain's neck as well? If the right-wingers don't like the rules of the game, they should be reminded that THEY wrote them by striking first.
Turnabout is fair play, said Shakespeare.
It's about fair, equal treatment. If one candidate is forced to answer for inflammatory remarks by associates of theirs, than all should be. No, Obama should not be held to task for the words of his pastor, and those words should not be played ad nauseum on TV, news cycle after news cycle. But, since he was, and they were, then all candidates' "spiritual advisers" should be fair game. Of course, the media has a double standard; any negative against a Democrat will be focused on in excruciating detail, played thousands of times, and put in our faces for weeks, while negatives against Republican candidates have always been minimized and dismissed without review, and let go after only the most superficial view, even if they eventually turn out to be substantial.
The inflammatory remarks between Hagee and Wright are similar. However, as I pointed out above the relationships between preacher and candidate are not similar.
John McCain sought out the endorsement of Hagee and flew to Texas to accept it . Since then Obama as repudiated his Pastor and denounced and rejected Louis Farrakhans endorsement . It seems to me that Senator Obama is being held to a higher standard while McCain is being given a free pass. Talk about Hypocrisy.
McCain paid for Hagee's endorsement, a tax exempt contribution, so in effect McCain's bribe is being paid by the American taxpayers.
I appreciate the commentators remarks to those who would vote for John Mccain should their candidate not get the Dem nomination-- YOU WILL BE VOTING IN HAGEE!
Will McCain give a similar 45 minute speech explaining his relationship to hateful evangelical preachers like Rev. Hagee? I'm waiting.
The more important question is: Will the SLM (So-called liberal media) starting with Chris "Tweety" Matthews make this the top subject of discourse for a month?
Of course not, McInsane gets a free ride.
No, Matthews is on his seventh straight day of talking about nothing but Wright. Even Friday, 4 flippin' days post-dissolution, and he sill leads his broadcast with it, stays with it, and ends with it. Hours and hours and hours.
I am no fan of Mr. Hagee. I believe that dispensationalist theology is a misreading of what the Bible says about God's plan for his people throughout the ages and about the coming of the next age.
However, from a political standpoint I believe the left wing of the Democratic Party would do well to drop its anti-religion diatribes, which only serve to make it easier for Republicans to win votes. We need to return to the Democratic Party of old, ala FDR and Truman. Those two presidents would not have shown contempt for Christianity.
Finally, HuffPo is wrong to post the Young Turks' scurrilous comparison.
Comparing the Christian martyrs of the early church, who were killed by the Roman Empire because they refused to renounce Christ and swear allegiance to the state, with Islamist terrorist suicide bombers is outrageous.
Hagee is the one preaching anti-religious diatribe. He calls the Catholic Church the great whore, and the Pope the antichrist.
Parsley is the one preaching anti-religious diatribe. He calls for the DESTRUCTION of Islam, and in particular by the U.S.
But then if you think that Islam and Catholicism are not _really_ religions, then you probably find nothing wrong with what Parsley and Hagee say.
Young Turk didn't denigrate Christianity. Hagee is not equivalent to "Christianity". YT criticized certain things that Hagee preaches.
There was no evidence in the video clip that Mr. Hagee was endorsing violence. The assertion is pure calumny.
Agreed. And from the start TYT distorts Hagee's "Starve" rant, saying it was directed at the poor. Hagee very clearly directed it at the lazy who refuse to work. I think Obama has been quoted as saying, "What can you do for yourself?" which is very much in line with the Truman/FDR/JFK tradition.
This is crap. And to allow the discussion to continue in this direction pulls us further and further off track.
Hagee will be "denounced" later on by McCain as more of this gets distorted. And then what? Will you disbelieve his denunciations and call it political expediency, just as they are saying about Obama now?
Hagee has already been denounced, albeit halfheartedly, by McCain. That McCain chooses his associates so casually shouldn't be a surprise; he hardly knows what Hagee is truly preaching.
This is a huge difference in the two situations that some people latch onto as evidence of Obama's greater guilt- "he sat in that church for 20 years!"- while McCain is innocent. You hear this argument all the time and it only proves ignorance on the part of the individual making it. The facts are that while the Reverend did harbor some outlandish views, his ministry and preaching was largely positive and about outreach and aiding those in need. Christian in the truest sense. As animated as his words were, as misguided a few arguments, he did not preach hate. Hagee does so, and on a grand scale (his views on the Middle East alone are beyond the pale).
In a country founded on the principal of a separation between Church and State; where we have our own issues with religious fundamentalism; where the media has blurred the line on all of this, one would think it more alarming that a politician would actively solicit the endorsement of a radical preacher. And let's be clear here, Obama did not do this. His relationship with his preacher was politicized by others. The McCain/Hagee pact was purely political and therefore should be judged as such.
You do not see a double standard here?
So you're okay with starvation in principle, so long as it serves the ends of retribution?
You've heard of a man named Jesus, no? Not a fan? You should read up. Lots to learn there.
The comparison is not between Christian martyrs and suicide bombers. It is between the philosophy of Rev. Hagee and the philosophy of Bin Laden; the particulars may differ but the overall message of hate for others is the same.
According to a Pew Global Attitude Survey, 48% of Christian Americans surveyed see themselves as Christians first and American citizens second, when asked: "What do you consider yourself first?" In countries such as Great Britain, Germany, France, Spain and Russia, solid majorities of Christians see themselves as citizens first, and Christians second.
Are there groups elsewhere like the 48% of Christian Americans? Yes. Many Muslims in the Survey were just like the Christian fundamentalists of the U.S. They too identify with their religion first, and their citizenship in one of various countries second.
Someone in the cowardly MSM ought to to wondering whether fundamentalists are patriots. It is not about lapel pins; it is about whether you put your country first.
A Christian should put his allegiance to God above any devotion to temporal powers. The scriptures teach that the people of God ultimately look for "a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God." Man cannot establish that city; it is a work of God.
hey, mr. early xtian martyrs, how many indigenous people in south america and the caribbean were killed by the 'christian" nations?
What';s amazing is that their are any indigenous survivors of the America's. It not that they didn't try for complete genocide but the church needed slaves.
"Starve, starve, starve !!" This [Hagee] is the same kind who shouted "Lynch !!, lynch !!, lynch blacks!!!" back in the days. These so called White pastors, Reverends, etc, who get a pass because they're WHITE and claim to be speaking for Jesus. They perpetuate hate and brainwash their congregants full of xenophobes. Bunch of racists masquerading as pastors.
Don't you get it ?? Hagee is WHITE --- more so a republican. True.
Using Wright and his sermons against Obama has nothing to do with religion. It is the EXCUSE needed to not vote/support the BLACK MAN. This is racism, plain and simple and we all know it.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be. World without end, AMEN, AMEN!
We have a chance to change this "Christian" hypocricy once and for all!!!!
You hit the "nail on the head"!
I live in the South--in the "Bible Belt", to be exact. I can attest that racism is alive and well here and across the country, never to admitted to by many good "Bible-totin' Christians" , but nevertheless a real undercurrent in the political scene. For many decades now, the GOP has successfully USED this hidden bias for its smear campaigns to win political dominance and get people here to vote against their own best interests! Harold Ford was the latest victim of such despicable tactics! Obama is smart enough to realize this and knows what he's up against. He is to be admired for trying to transcend the racial divisiveness that exists and bring the South back into the Democratic fold again.
You're right! NOW is the time to change this "Christian" hypocrisy!
Ah...hey "sadtrails", hate to say it, but if you look at the polls and notice how Obamas approval rating dropped by6pts and his dissapproval rating rose by 5pts, then it is easy to see that most of America is starting to see him for who he is. If you've been paying attn, you'd realize that this has nothing to do with race. In fact, the only reason that he is even still in this race is because he IS BLACK. Any white canditate would have been tossed out by now, but our society is too PC to call him on most topics for fear of "race bating", as you say.
:-)
Kinda out there isn't it.
Folks who hate for Jesus are slightly off the mark.
No one will know when Jesus will come back so these off the wall folks will be speaking out for their hour of glory.
The best thing to do is kick back - read your bible or holy book and do the best you can.
The main problem isn't the hate mongers - the main problem is people need to go to their holy books and read them + understand them + not let these misquotes that are out of context shape their opinions and faith.
At any rate - remember to study the word of your faith and keep on keeping on. :-)
I am sick and tired of this Wright double standard; Hagee gets a pass because he's white, plain and simple. Wright and Hagee are the same except for skin color. Just like the flag pin crap, and what Obama eats and drinks. So eating healthy (McCain's universal health plan) makes you an elitist? McBillary/
Wright & Hagee are NOT the same; Wright was a Marine and Army service with some morsels of qualities that are wacky but others that show more that most all that are down on him have not done. Bush, Chaney and Bill Clinton all got out of serving their country and I am sure that Hagee did too.
Another reason they are different is being black Wright was focused upon more than all the Hagees we have in America many here in this post say they are ready to ingnore Hagee and the far more numerious of white zany religious wacky nut jobs but still they say we need even more of Wrights rants.
Hate is hate however any honest person has to admit after this event that white hate is easy to dismiss with a "that's just Hagee" Wright has said America caused AIDS still he brought in people into his church encouraging everyone be tested.
No, America did not cause AIDS but it did stick it's head in the ground while white religious leaders said it was the god not happy with various groups of people. Gays, Blacks.
It was America that dragged it 's feet in getting the word out about AIDS and pushing the notion teaching that quaint notion that religious people do not have sex until marriage.
Hagee type people cheered at the terrorist acts of blowing up planned parenthood office.
Double Standard for the world to know.
McCain/Hagee is much more dangerous for two reasons.
One, McCain/Hagee is just beginning and would continue during his administration, or until the Rapture.
Two, McCain/Hagee believe Catholics are whores and Jews must convert or die.
Why McCain sought out these bigoted, racial and anti-semitic positions needs answers. Perhaps a joint press conference McCain/Hagee 1, would be a good start.
As a Christian, I feel Hagee is a lot of things, but a Christian is NOT one of them.
Amen.
McCain's association with Hagee goes back much further than Hagee's recent endorsement of McCain. Here is a video clip of McCain addressing Hagee's followers last summer at a Hagee-sponsored conference. McCain appears about 5 minutes into the clip telling Hagee's followers it's hard to do God's work in the city of Satan. That would be Washington, D.C.
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A bigger problem for McCain than Hagee is McCain's spiritual advisor ...
..... RON PARSLEY.
Here is what John McCain KNEW for YEARS BEFORE he aggresively sough Parsley's endorsment:
1. Rod Parsley wrpte a book in 2006 and wrote:
--- “ISREAL must be DEFEATED by a Russian-Arab military alliance, preceded by a U.S. invasion of Iran, in order to usher in Armageddon and the second coming of Jesus.”
2. Rod Parsley wants "America's sons and daughters blood spilled to KILL all Jews, invade Iran and start Armageddon
McCain KNEW for YEARS that Parsley wants to kill all Jews, invade Iran to start Armageddon.
NOW: All of the sudden, John McCain is singing "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" Perhaps because McCain feels the same way Parsley does?
After all .... Yesterday John McCain admitted that we do not send our military to the MidEast to protect Israel, we send our boys/girls to protect OIL.
quote McCain 5/2/08: "if we could become energy independent we'd NEVER have to send troops to the Middle East EVER again."
... hmmmm.... McCain & Parsley BOTH hate Jews and McCain does not want to defend Israel if US is energy independent ... hmmmm....
"Invade Iran, destroy Israel, and start Armageddon" quote from Ron Parsley. Just google that if you don't trust this source.
I AGREE Rod Parsley and JOHN HAGEE is the Devil!!!
AND JOHN McBUSH has the AUDACITY TO GO AND ASK FOR THERE ENDORSEMENTS!
CNN, MSNBC, ABC and ESPECIALLY FIX (fox) News "Consistently" REFUSES TO PROPERLY COVER THIS Critical Issue!
WHER IS THE MEDIA PUBLIC "OUTRAGE" !!! McBush has NEVER been called up on the DENOUNCE and REJECT the Racial Hate, The Anti-American, Anti Jews and Anti- Gay comments from these pastors and "Spiritual Mentor"!
These Pastors RADICAL VIEWS and OUTRAGIOUS Remarks Make Jerimiah Wright LOOK LIKE CHILDS PLAY!!
IT IS FULL TIME John McSame DENOUNCE and REJECT !!!
Even worse, when you court a group's votes in America, as McCain has done with Hagee and Parsley (and Falwell), then there's a certain quid pro quo. What is the quid quo pro with McCain. We saw what it was with Bush. Even if some of Bush's choices were not agreed in advance, he was in the religious extremists pocket from day one. Stem cell research, quashing science, tying foreign aid to anti-abortion, supreme court nominations, demagoging on federal anti-gay-marriage law, and much other stuff.
What will McCain be promising these folks? The same as Bush? Worse?
The real danger of these religious groups is that they can make the difference between winning and losing for McCain. That's pretty powerful leverage.
McSellout.
Interesting the link doesn't come up but it's typical of the televangelists they talk this trash over and over again but when it's attempted to be used by opposition media they cry 'protected or copywrighted content'
and then it can't be used. This isn't the first time-I've flipped by Pat Robertson 700 Club several times and some really outrageous offensive stuff has been said and I've never seen it used by the 'opposition' and even on his infomercial (that's what it really is) he stated they're using copywrighted content and my laywers will be investigating.
If Obama had actively sought (as did McCain) the endorsement of a right wing, hate-filled nut like Hagee, it would be all over.
The diffrerence is that Obama had a 20-year relationship with a church and pastor that ministered to the poor, those with HIV and those who were oppressed. Thirty-second sound clips out of many wonderful sernons over the past 30 yaars were looped together and played endlessely in the taboids that we call cable news. They did this in an effort to try to torpedo the only progressive candidate in this presidential race. If he were white with the same platform, they would find a way to torpedo him. Can;t have the people empowered can we?
For the powers-that-be, they want an insider like McCain or Hillary in office so that they can keep feeding corporate America the way they have done in the past. It is partly about race bur more about class warfare.
Precisely! The Incorporated States of America is already here.
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