An Overlooked Hate Sermon by Rev. Hagee
As everyone is concentrating on the loathsome things that Rev. Hagee has said about New Orleans, or gay people, or Muslims, or Catholics, his more radical views on the poor and his encouragement of violence in Christianity has been overlooked.
Get a load of the hateful things Reverend Hagee had to say on those issues in the video below:
I call this a hate sermon by Reverend Hagee. I'm not sure what else you can call it when they guy is shouting maniacally at poor people to "Starve!" and encouraging others to die before they compromise on (Hagee's view of) Christianity.
This is the man John McCain is proud to be endorsed by? And we're having conversation about Rev. Wright while this is out there? Obama has repudiated Wright. Will McCain give a similar 45 minute speech explaining his relationship to hateful evangelical preachers like Rev. Hagee? I'm waiting.
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I'm not a Hagee fan, but it is childish to attempt to justify a wrong action by pointing out a wrong action of someone else. Rev Wright is an anti-american, inflamatory speaker and a racist. Obama has not been scutinized enough for his association with the Rev. Look folks, we're voting for a president of the most powerful country in the world. We need to make sure he is what he says he is. We really know very very little about this guy not to mention the fact that he has very very little experience and at this point appears to be underqualified for the job. He is still very young and would make a good candidate in another 4-8 years. Just some thoughts.
here's a better analogy.If McCain wasn't a suitable candidate to Republicans 8 years ago(when they trashed him SC and ended his campaign)than why is he now?Has he grown or changed?
Yes, he's changed. That picture of him hugging Bush says a million words.
Simply not true. We know plenty about Obama. His whole life history is out there for anyone who cares to know. The problem Hillary fans have is that, for all the scrutiny - and you can bet her campaign staff has done plenty - they haven't come up with any dirt. Rev. Wright is no more anti-American than Marting Luther King. I can show you quotes from him that are very similar - especially during the Vietnam era. Hagee's statements are more un-American than Rev. Wright's, betrying a complete lack of understanding of the constitution. If Wright were Hillary's pastor instead you'd be defending the relationship and you know it. As for Obama's lack of experience I presume you would have voted for G. Bush senior against Bill Clinton as Bush had 4 years exeperience as president , an ambassadorship to China and head of the CIA under his belt.
"Just some thoughts."
Not enough thought. McCain/Hagee/, McCain/Parsley is much more dangerous to this country, the mid-east, Catholics and Jews.
One, McCain/Hagee is just beginning and would continue throughout his administration, or until the Rapture.
Two, McCain/Hagee believe Catholics are whores and Jews must convert or die.
Three. McCain/Parsley believes we need to attack Iran to destroy Israel and bring Armageddon.
Why McCain sought out these bigoted, racial and anti-semitic positions needs answering. Perhaps a joint press conference McCain/Hagee 1, would be a good start. Then follow with McCain/Parsley 1. The "Invade Iran, destroy Israel, and start Armageddon" quote from Ron Parsley. must also be explained.
He's pandering to these idiots to get the "evangelical" vote, of course.
Guilt by association is okay for one guy, but not another. Experience is only culled through working in the national political arena; local and state level experience means nothing. Wow. What's next? A "gas tax holiday" would be a great thing? If that's an example of what experience brings you, then experience is f'n over-rated. Just a thought.
Thank you Lanny; excellent points!
i don't think Wright is anti -American, in fact I think he sees the true potentail of America and expresses the truth of the failure to live up to that.He wouldn't be angry if he didn't recognize the discrepancy of American ideals vs reality.
I don't think Wright has the power to be racist ,Racism is when you are capable of denying another persons right to participate in society based on the color of their skin.In what way have any white people been held back by Wright's comments?
Inflammatory yes, but isn't that what religion is all about?
McCain has been anointed, not by God, by the corporate media. He could embrace Hitler, Stalin and Mao and no one in the MSM would think it was anything except A-OK and politics as usual. They would call him Inclusive and a Uniter.
If you believe that there will be any reporting of Hagee, other than of him as a saintly man who follows the precepts of the Bible and righteously supports McCain, you must have been out of the country since 1980. The more hate mongering the better as long as it is not against the rich and powerful because then it would be Class Warfare.
Right Wing preachers = Good
Left Wing preachers = Evil
McCain '08 - No bigot left behind
According to Hagee he's advocating the starving of children as being biblically ordained since one half of those who get food assistance are children whom have no control over their situation. This means that McCain also advocates the starving of children in Christ's name as Christian duty since Hagee is his proxy to God. Hagee also seems to be a repressed latent homosexual and flatters himself thinking that he's desirable to homosexuals, gay bait. He's guilty about these sinful feelings and with his incessant ranting against gay he's construes that this deflection tactic, which accuses others for his own "sins", is his way to assuage his guilt about his own repressed latent homosexuality. This is a common tactic, Hitler and Goebbels did it, deflection, just to mention a prominent example .
Is there anyway the DNC could run a montage of exhortations such as these by Hagee ,as well as others by Buchana, Falwell, Oral Roberts etc to counter the ads( put out by the Repugs) of Rev Wright that will be run in N.Carolina against the Dem governor?
i think it needs to be made clear that preachers of all races and powerful positions put out the most extreme hyperbole and that it's not limited to Wright.
It might have the added affect of getting people to think a little about the role of religion in poltics as well.
Lord have mercy, did you see Pat Buchanan literally foaming at the mouth on MSNBC about Rev. Wright, but no outrage about Falwell, Hagee, Parsley, et al. Of course they are white. That seems to make a lot of difference to him and quite a few other unrepentants.
They could if they knew to do so. Let's hope, they're on the right track for a change.
We've all known that Hagee is a hateful jerk for 20 years, we've known Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell are nut cases. We've had homosexual evangelicals, cocaine addicted evangelicals all associated with the right republican wing in this country and yet we have never seen their faces scattered day after day after day on the media. Why is that? This country accepts them as crazies. When a black preacher starts spouting stuff it's awful and we watch it over and over and over. The racisim in this country is just beneath the surface. Racisim is an automatic judgement of someone because of the way they look, the color of their skin. Black, Asian, Indian, mixed, it is still there. Look at our magazines, your news anchors, your t.v. shows, your history books. You will never see these clips on t.v. of Rev. Hagee, you will never have the reporters asking John McCain or any other republican why Hagee, and Robertson are so important. A republican running for office was at a birthday celebration for Adolf Hitler, any news about that? No, think why. Why is Obama's support group mainly made up of the young, or educated? Becuase we see how this country really is and we grew up with figures like Will Smith, Chris Rock, James Earl Jones, not Fred Sanford in his junk yard.
OK, work with me here. I am no McCain fan, but there are massive differences. McCain accepted the endorsement, but rejected all of Hagee’s radical views outright. Not 20 years later, but outright. Then, Hagee is not his spiritual advisor. He is not his pastor. McCain has not said he is his pastor but not his spiritual advisor or mentor (a strange statement from Obama if you think about it). He has not sat in Hagee’s church for 20 years then expressed shock to find out what Hagee believes. There are virtually no similarities between McCain/Hagee and Obama/Wright except that each includes a politician and a religious leader. After that, any hope of drawing a comparison breaks down under the burden of inconvenient facts.
McCain did not merely accept the Hagee endorsement, he actively sought it. As did Huckabee. And Huckabee expressed disappointment that he didn't get it.
Bill Moyer also spoke to this last night, about the anger of a black man whose ancestors had been brought here in chains and who had been lynched and abused and to this day suffer discrimination.
He also spoke about rthe double standard in that white preachers who spoke hate such as Falwell and Boertson have been revered in the white community. We never saw there sound bites looped over and over and over on a 24-hour news cycle.
Yes. This is very different and it is about racism. Over many years Wright built a church that ministered to the poor and the underpriviliged on the South Side of Chicago. None of this is mentioned. Or his wonderful sermons over those years. Or his service to his country in the marines. Unlike those white pastors who did very little else but increase the dollars in their pockets.
BTW., McCain actively sought the endorsement of Hagee and said on a recent talk show, when given teh opportunity to denouce it, he "welcomed it".
HOW THE HELL CAN YOU ACCEPT AN ENDORSEMENT YET SOMEHOW REJECT THE MAN'S VIEWS?!
Your line of 'reasonsing' is why America is screwed right now.
Again, you are missing the point. The problem with the Obama camp is not that his pastor has loony views. The problem has been Obama's answers. He sat in a church for 20 years and didn't know what his pastor believes? You know what pastors do? They stand in front of the people in their church and tell them every week what they believe. I'm not saying McCain was right or not for accepting Hagee's endorsement. I am saying there is no comparison. The problem with Obama has been his excuses. He runs as the candidate who is 'above it all.' You know, Mr. Honesty? And yet he says he sat in a man's church for 20 years oblivious to what that man was saying. That is a stretch. And yes, you can accept the endorsements of folks you don't always agree with. Happens on both sides of the aisle. But it's a matter of Obama's answers. Only a person who has never graced the doors of a church could do anything but guffaw when Obama said he was unaware of his pastor's views - that's his pastor of 20 years.
Your reasoning certainly fits you screen name daffey.
Thank you for the kind statement. It speaks volumes of your faith in the power of your own position. If you want to use the old 'oh yeah! My guy did something wrong, huh? Well, your guy did, too. So nya, nya nya!' argument, then fine. Personally, I have no real drive to get behind McCain for many reasons. But the glaring problems in Obama's handling of this situation cannot be ignored, no matter how often his supporters feel inclined to use that time honored strategy of diverting the problem by accusing someone else of something just as bad. It has, after all, served so many kindergartners so well.
daffey, "but (McCain) rejected all of Hagee"s radical views". Completely 100% False. There are videos of McCain endorsing Hagee and his congregation, along with his supporter and confidant Joe Lieberman. Daffey is wrong, perhaps deliberately wrong.
It depends on what you consider radical of course. You may think any and all of Hagee's views are radical. If that is the case, then no, McCain has not rejected 'all' of them.
Mccain ACTIVELY SOUGHT the endorsement of Hagee , which seems much worse .Hagee's shxt was in full play and had been for years when McCain went and asked him for his back up. It wasn't like Hagee offered support unsolicited.
Hagee anWHO’LL GIVE ME ONE DOLLAR? WHO’LL GIVE ME TWO?
More recently, in March 1996 Hagee caused a furor when he created an uproar in the black community of Texas. Major newspapers of the area reported on his plan to conduct a “slave sale.” The auction was an attempt to raise money for a seniors’ class trip from his private Cornerstone High School. He announced to the congregation that “slavery in America was returning to Cornerstone”3 and that each senior “would be auctioned off.” The highest bidder could have a “slave” work at their house, so the congregation should make plans to “go home with a slave.”
The fund-raising project was seen as insensitivity and a massive error in judgment. Reaction to the plan was fast and furious. Area newspapers further reported that after a weekend of criticism, Hagee issued an apology. He renamed the enterprise “a student auction.”4
d the zionist claping in his sermons..h
Hagee is a moron but if if you want to try and tie him to McCain it just isn't going to be there like it is with Obama for the simple fact that McCain hasn't been going to his church for 20 years, calling him his mentor and writing a book based on his sermons.
"Writing a book based on his sermons." That's just a lie. No such book exists. Obama has not written anything based on Wright's sermons.
Personally I think more attention should be paid to the Catholics in this country who didn't get up and walk out of their church even though the leader of the Catholic church helped cover up the gay molestation of children.
I did, should I schedule a news conference?
Unbias view. That name is a joke right?
It's also grammatically incorrect.
Mormon? Then it is awfully strange that he is getting a pass on Texas Mormon group no 24 x 7 talk on something that happen because Wrights words are far more important than the actual lives of children and facts that Mormons thought that Blacks were not heaven bound like whites.
Nope, absolutely NO asking Hagee or to my knowledge anybody how these Mormons in texas came to create and harm hundreds of children.
Can you read? The word is moron not mormon.
If Hagee is a moron and he is, what does that say about all those fools in his congregation. I mean he insults and abuses them and then begs for money and his congregation of fools give it to him. His congregation is of the gathering place of Satan and Hagee is a Biblical Harlot with his false doctrines which are fornications of the Bible[KJV]. Furthermore, he's tax exempt while enjoying government services, the airways, and the donations of his fools are tax deductible which means Hagee is a god communist. He's supported by the American taxpayers which enables him to bilk the mentally ill by begging for money.
"what does that say about all those fools in his congregation. I mean he insults and abuses them and then begs for money and his congregation of fools give it to him"
Doesn't say much, sounds like the same thing as Obama, he is one of those fools in Wright's church and he has given them tens of thousands of $$$$.
But McCain did not sit in Hagees church for 20 years and say he never heard the repulsive stuff like Obama says he never heard, in 20 years, Rev Wrights extreme positions. That is what is hurting Obama so much, no one believes him about not seeing the extremes in Rev Wright. I'm a staunch Obama supporter and even I have a hard time buying Obamas story that he didn't know Rev Wright was so far out there. And even if he didn't hear it, shouldn't he have? I mean, how far out of it do you have to be yourself to not have known Rev Wright was a kook.
There were thousands of people in that church over the past 20 yeasrs, white and black who listened to uplifting sermons every Sunday. Now and then he would go off message and told the congregation that he would be doing so but the congregaton accepted him and the good work that church did in the community.
It is nothing less than racism. The white 'pastors' who do nothing but minister to their pocket books (any of them iever in the military?) get away with their hate because they are white. If they were black and connected in any way to a viable black presidential candidate, you would see them receive the same treatment as did Wright.
The MSM pushed this story, initially put out by the Republicans and hung onto it like pit bulls. What a sorry bunch they are. I no longer watch MSNBC or CNN. Actually watch almost no NBC any more. Also, no moe NYT. Stick to McClatchy, C-Span, BBC and PBS.
The only ones who can't see the difference in the relationships of Obama and Wright and McCain and Hagee, are the ones you often see called Obamatrons. The thoughtful Obama supporters can see it. Clinton supporters can see it. And you can bet Republicans and Independents know the difference between an intimate long term association and an endorsement.
I see the difference. McCain never had a long-term relationship with ANY church but did seek the endorsment of a right-wing, hate-filled nut job.
Obama had a long-term relationship with a widely popular church on the South Side of Chicago involved in ministering to the poor, hte sick and the oppressed. This is a widely popular church attended by thousands, including whites.
The problem for Wright is that he's black. If he were white, he would have been embraced by the tabloid MSM. Now, that's the difference! Do you see tthe MSM latching on to Hagee's rants and looping them constantly in the 24-hour news cycle? Of course not. To understand this, just look at the color of his skin.
There's a big difference. Obama is not courting the votes of a minister (and followers) who believe the US is destined to destroy Islam. I find advocation of destruction of Islam far more offensive and dangerous than saying that rich whites run the US and that the US gov't spread AIDS. In fact, I'd much prefer a healthy skeptic of the US govt (Wright) than one who seeks to use our govt to further RELIGIOUS beliefs (Parsley).
Show me where Wright has ever preached hate or destruction. Tell me where he has ever called another religion a whore and its leader satan.
And just exactly what is an "intimate long term association"? Have you studied Wright's sermons? Can you fairly say what a typical sermon was like in his church? Do you know anything beyond a handful of videoclips?
Hagee is a Fat Bastard..p
Jesus taught that one cannot serve God and Mammon. This minister clearly serves Mammon and therefore is not a minister of God.
Hey, you bloated elitist! Children in Haiti are eating mud pies! Do your gods work, damn you!
Cenk,
I thank you so much for posting this article.
Outside of a few things that Wright said......
that HAGGE is going to make Wright look like a little teddy bear.
Because I am so maxed out on getting Obama elected over that .... that.... LADY IN YELLOW and/orPINK
AIDs not Aides, what are the odds you graduated from HS? Not good IMO.
Actually, the acronym is A.I.D.S., for Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. So the 'S' is capitalized as well. (For the record, 'aid' = help and aide = assistant.
I won't presume to estimate the extent of YOUR education, UnbiasView
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Actually it should also be UnbiasEDView, Mr. Smarty, in order for it to be grammatically correct. Perhaps it's you who didn't graduate.
Yeah, Obama repudiated Wright--after attending his church for 20 years.
McCain met Hagee ONCE.
some Republicans need to get the wax out of their ears: it isn't the closeness of association, it is the closeness of AGREEMENT (and lack of repudiation). I don't care if Obama attended his church for 100 YEARS; he repudiated him.
It's rather dishonest for anyone to suggest that they do not associate, even for long periods of time, with people who hold opposing viewpoints.
The Bible speaks of holding your Reverend in "reverence". That does not mean worship him or subscribe to his every view, but it does mean respect the man's title and work, even if you don't respect the man himself.
Also, those of you who are now preaching from the pulpit of self-righteousness, also find in your Bibles where God speaks on "the body of Christ". The CHURCH is the body of Christ, not the pastor. You don't leave the church because you disagree with the pastor...y
You don't leave your job when you disagree with your boss.
You don't divorce your father because he is an alcoholic.
You don't move to another country when your tired of the Bush administra
And Hillary's argument is "you can't chose your family, but you can chose your pastor". She's right. And at the same time, you can't choose your family, but you can choose who you marry. It's as ridiculous for Hillary to explain womanizing Bill just as it is for Obama to explain Rev. Wright.
No, it really is about understanding who Obama and McCain are.
You look to the people they surround themselves with. William Ayers was on two panels with Obama, because Michelle Obama(possible future first lady) put the panels together while working at the University of Chicago, and decided Ayers should be on them. I don't know about you, but in my circles, if I knew someone had Ayer's past of bombing innocent people for political purposes, I would not be in the same room with them EVER.
Michelle Obama has repeated several of Wright's points in speeches, such as avoiding "middle class-ness," and not being proud of America. So obviously she has adopted some of his views. This gives us insight into to who the are. Their friends and supporters aren't bothered about these things so they don't see them as problems, but in the general election many people will be bothered by them and they will be a problem.
For McCain, he has been in public service for 25 years, so people have a good idea about him already. Whatever people think, they already think it.
He met him once and yet he welcomes his endorsement. Yeah, that's judgment for ya!
Check out some of Wright's other sermons. This meme that every sermon Wright ever preached was anti-American or anti-white is completely ridiculous. His views have been caricatured (not saying I agree with him, just that he's been treated unfairly). The sermon that inspired Obama, "the Audacity to Hope" is beautiful, touching and heartfelt, and something that every Christian could admire. I suspect there were a lot more sermons like that, and a lot fewer inflammatory ones, than people realize. So I'm glad Obama went to his church for years, and sorry the crazy media had to make Wright into the boogeyman. The crazy thing is that anyone was willing to make Obama's pastor into the deciding factor of his candidacy -- how any people secretly think their pastor is little bit crazy?
MPCarr states: McCain met Hagee ONCE.
If true, then explain the circumstances of their meeting -- was it love at first sight?
Why did Senator McCain call Hagee, pleading for an endorsement?
Why did he travel great distance to meet with a small-time Televangelist?
Why did he undergo a secretive "ceremony" prior to the endorsement?
Why did he embrace him in public, in front of the cameras?
Why didn't he reject and denounce numerous foul comments Hagee had made?
If "only pandering to the sheep," why insult millions of Catholics -- for Hagee's tiny flock?
Why did McCain avoid CNN's faith-based townhall meeting?
Something stinks, to the high heavens.
What distinguishes Hagee is his rapture-prophesy focus, and desire to actively prepare for armegeddon (advocates Military Force in, and around Israel, advocates against a peace treaty, advocates for continued obfuscation of Palestinian territory, etc).
This is Prophetic-
John Hagee is a deceiver -- caring not for the poor/ sick/ elderly, but only for war (in Jesus' name).
Is John McCain marked to be his destroyer?
This author states: "I call this a hate sermon by Reverend Hagee. This is the man John McCain is proud to be endorsed by? And we're having conversation about Rev. Wright while this is out there? "
I agree entirely. Hagee is extremely toxic and his relationship to MCain should be explored.
The DNC really misses a bet if they don't exploit it and we the voter should have better press coverage of this man's relationship to McCain. Meanwhile Obama suffers because the media won't balance their coverage.
Yep, and political alignment with Hagee and Parsley should be politically toxic too. McCain courting these constituents signals more of the same on things like stem cell research, birth control, etc. Voters should know who they are empowering when they vote for McCain. If McCain is so willing to flip-flip, would he flip-flop on stem cell research? What else?
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