An Overlooked Hate Sermon by Rev. Hagee

As everyone is concentrating on the loathsome things that Rev. Hagee has said about New Orleans, or gay people, or Muslims, or Catholics, his more radical views on the poor and his encouragement of violence in Christianity has been overlooked.

Get a load of the hateful things Reverend Hagee had to say on those issues in the video below:

I call this a hate sermon by Reverend Hagee. I'm not sure what else you can call it when they guy is shouting maniacally at poor people to "Starve!" and encouraging others to die before they compromise on (Hagee's view of) Christianity.

This is the man John McCain is proud to be endorsed by? And we're having conversation about Rev. Wright while this is out there? Obama has repudiated Wright. Will McCain give a similar 45 minute speech explaining his relationship to hateful evangelical preachers like Rev. Hagee? I'm waiting.

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[izAriver]

I...I...I.­..'m sorry. I just can't. I've been apoligizing all over this site all night because I feel like I'm doing wrong. It's so easy to riducule so many subjects here...so easy to ridicule people responding to these ridiculous topics...b­ut...in my heart I know that everyone is actually a thinking, able to transcend self obsession kind of person...t­hat's why children in Haiti are eating mud pies...

[ddharder]

You should google "messiah complex" 'cause I think you might have one.

[ResidentChimp]

Why don't you ask McCain why he stayed in the church for 20 years with Hagee? Oh, I guess you couldn't. That must be because that there isn't any comparison. Of course you could compare Hagee's endorsement with Farc, Hamas, Chavez, Correa, Farrakhan, Ayers, Dorherm and Wright's endorsement of Obama.

[CaptainVideo]

Maybe they should ask McCain just what church he is a member of and staying in.

[Eoin45]

One of the people you named have endorsed Obama. As usual you're a liar. Your parents must really be ashamed of you.

[HelpMeJebus]

This Bill Moyers essay puts the entire Rev Wright thing into perspective.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05022008/watch.html

It is hard for people to understand, but what he says is true...

[Caolas]

That is one of the best commentaries i've seen in a while. Thank goodness for Bill Moyers who still stops to ask the viewer to "decide for yourself". I'm getting tired of turning on corporate media and seeing segments entitled "The Smart Take" (i've refused to watch Gregory's show because of that segment alone), as though the viewer cannot make up their own mind and needs someone to think for them.

[tathagat]

concluding post...

10. We do not refer to the cross as the Big T!
11. When Jesus broke the bread at the Last Supper he said, "Take this and eat it, for it is my body", he did not say, "Eat me."
12. The Virgin Mary is not referred to as the, "Mary with the Cherry".
13. The recommended grace before a meal is not: "Rub-A-dub-dub, thanks for the grub, yeah God"
14. Next Sunday there will be a taffy-pulling contest at St. Peter's, not a peter-pulling contest at St. Taffy's.

[tathagat]

how about this...

A new priest at his first mass was so nervous he could hardly speak. After mass he asked the monsignor how he had done. The monsignor replied,

"When I am worried about getting nervous on the pulpit, I put a glass of vodka next to the water glass. If I start to get nervous, I take a sip."

So, the next Sunday he took the monsignor's advice. At the beginning of the sermon, he got nervous and took a drink. He proceeded to talk up a storm. Upon return to his office after mass, he found the following note on his door:

1. Sip the Vodka, don't gulp.
2. There are 10 commandments, not 12.
3. There are 12 disciples, not 10
4. Jesus was consecrated, not constipated.
5. Jacob wagered his donkey, he did not bet his ass.
6. We do not refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C.
7. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are not referred to as Daddy, Junior, and Spook.
8. David slew Goliath, he did not kick the shit out of him.
9. When David was hit by a rock and knocked off his donkey, don't say he was stoned off his ass. Cont., in post #2

[izAriver]

But he was, damnit! He was!

[ddharder]

Hagee is truly frightening. Years ago when I was a bit of a religious nut myself I used to watch this guys sermons. Even then the guy used to creep me out. What I found most frightening, however, was the glazed look over the eyes of the sheeple listening to him and the eerie way they all nod in unison.

These guys are on the margin of society, but somehow they have not been marginalized; somehow they have found a way to appear as if they represent a majority and that they deserve a seat at the table. They don't and they must not be given one or they will create a self fulfilling prophecy of an Armagheddon in Iran and Syria; their own Rhineland and Sudatten land (sp?).

Thanks for highlighting this Cenk.

[trailrunner9]

Bringing up Hagee's name is a pathetic attempt to equivocate Hagee's endorsement of McCain with Obama's 20 year intensely close relationship with his self-described spirtual mentor and pastor, someone who he could no more distance himself from "than the black community or my own white grandmother," like an uncle - family. McCain simply accepted a stranger's endorsement. So yes, Hagee appears to have just as creepy views as Wright, but the difference is he is basically a stranger in John McCain's life and Reverend Wright is described by Barack Obama as someone he considered someone on the same level as his white grandmother. No difference? Give me a break!!!

[ddharder]

You naively paint his relationship with his pastor as if Obama were some sycophantic disciple who went to church every Sunday morning and Wednesday evening and who was a member of the prayer chain.

Please.

The American reality is that you can't run for President unless you make it painfully clear to the drooling pew warmers on the margin that you are baptised and reborn in the blood.

I seriously doubt O did much more than show up for services now and again for political pretenses the same way the Clintons do at their churches, the same way Reagan did, the same way Bush Sr did. W is just dumb enough to really believe all this stuff, so the jury is still out on his sincerity.

[ShawnMichel]

trailrunner69 has drunk the Kool-Aid.

But then again, this goes without saying.

[Erdgeist]

Trailrunner9: Twenty year ago, Senator Obama did not embrace Rev. Wright because of this:

"God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

But McCain, surely after vetting Rev. Hagee, embraced him because he stood for fundamentalist values which are synonymous with religious extremism.

[vinny]

um, McCain SOUGHT Hagee's endorsemen­t...

[Sneakerface]

trailrunner9 is right: they are very different situations, in that McCain's endorser is far worse.

[TXfemmom]

Hagee, Robertson, and Fallwell, as well as any other number of wingnuts, have all said that 9/11 was due to homosexuals, abortion etc., and they have taught hate, hate, hate and fight, fight, fight. I detest them all.

However, Wright teaches the same thing in a different way, and all of it has convinced me that organized religion, as we see it today, is a threat to the tranqility of the world.

[DoninJoisey]

And what about Clinton's Fellowship prayer group? - power politics religion - how republican.

Why can't we keep religion out of politics?

Let's play diversion again - it got us Bushed twice.

I want honesty, intelligence, and judgment - only Obama offers all 3.

[MagisterLudi]

Honesty?--Obama said publicly that he never heard Wright deliver a similar speech before.... It's like attending Nazi rallies and claiming to never've heard about Aryan supremacy. What a hock of excrement.

Integrity?-- purposefully skipping abortion votes; actively campaigning for Lieberman; claiming not to take lobbyists money but taking state lobbyists money instead; ....taking credit card companies donations and then voting to raise credit card rates above 30%....hmm­mm

Judgement: voting for Cheney's energy proposals; enthusiastically voting for Condi Rice confirmation; voting against Kerry's Iraq withdrawal bill

Both Clinton and Obama are power hungry politicians. Both are extremely vested in personal power. Stop beleiving campaign propaganda and start learning about politics.

[ddharder]

"Both Clinton and Obama are power hungry politicians. Both are extremely vested in personal power. Stop beleiving campaign propaganda and start learning about politics."

Unfortunately, no one gets to this level in politics without this trait. It's a reality that you have to account for when you pragmatically assess the big picture. No one is going to sweep in and save the country in a round of benevolence and good will.

Personally, I consider Obama, and time may ultimately prove me wrong, though I hope not, the lesser of the choice of evils we are all presented with.

In his favor he has a sweeping swell of grassroots support that has allowed him to be a real contender financially without the need to pander to incessantly to corporate interests the way that McCain and Hillary have not been able. Second, he offers the best chance this round of working toward an escape from the quagmire that is Iraq (if either Clinton or McCain get elected we will probably be in Syria and/or Iran as well).

His economic intentions worry me some, but hopefully the next four years will see a certain amount of gridlock that keeps the government from spending even more money and further degrading the strength of the dollar.

[ddharder]

Cont...

An Obama presidency offers the one small hope of a minor shift in the direction the country has been headed for a long time now. I think that small hope offers a valid reason to lend him support in lieu of the horrific alternative of accepting politics as usual.

Politics is a game of compromise. Binary reasoning can only lead to a stalemate in the mind of a thinking person.

[memphispaul]

Why on earth would I EVER support either THIS hate monger, Hagee or someone that is a committed member of "The Family" Hillary Clinton.
These folks are both a couple of wack jobs.
At least Obama has the stones to go on national TV and toss Wright exactly where he belongs.
Hillary or McCain lack the intestinal or testicular fortitude to do any such thing.

[booksnmore4you]

Can we see the full context now, please?

[OhMyGoodness]

ROFLMAO... now you want to see something in context? But Wrights snippets were fine right?

[DoninJoisey]

And they still keep beating that horse - it's all they've got.

I'd rather focus on Bosnia fables
The Iraq war vote fables
The "I always opposed NAFTA" fables

The fact that Bill and Penn and Wolfson took money from Columbia to lobby for the trade deal......­........

NO TO EVA PERON!

[ddharder]

The context is worse than the soundbyte. The guy is a wackjob. If you haven't seen him, I suggest you do watch him in context. If you have and you don't agree he is a wackjob, then you to are a wackjob. Sorry to be the one to have to let you know.

[nellie]

Cenk, I'm reading the comments here, and clearly some people have Rev Wright disease. They are just obsessed with this man. I can't tell whether it's because they think Wright may have opened a window of opportunity for Cilnton, so the more outrage they can throw at this man, the better Hillary's chances. Or whether it's because they're so myopic they can's comprehend the complexity of Wright's life and how that may feed into his point of view. Or whether some are so terrified of African Americans that they freak out whenever a black man raises his voice about anything. Or whether they just hate Obama for whatever reason.

Anyway, nice try. There's just no reasoning with some people. It seems there's no cure for Rev Wirght disease.

[lmore]

I think some white people are afraid of black people. What a shame.

[mikekev58]

Some white people are afraid of black people and it is a shame.
Some black people are afraid of white people and it is a shame.

What is the source of their fears? Could it be legitimate for some?

"When I hear footsteps behind me when I'm walking down the street, I'm ashamed when I turn around and feel relieved that it's a white person." - Jesse Jackson.

[CaptainVideo]

People like the Reverend Wright make many white people afraid of black people. They are as much of a cause of the nation's racial divisions as the white bigots are.

[DoninJoisey]

Unfortunately true. Fact - Clinton support is highest with the least educated.

The wedge issues got us Bush. You'd think we'd all learn...

[Texanna33]

I am from San Antonio and live about 3 miles from Hagee's mega church. He is nothing but a business man who formed a mega church so he could be mega rich! I am a Hillary supporter so I don't care about defending McCain...b­ut...McCai­n did not sit and listen to Hagee's BS for 20 years like Obama did in Rev. Wright's church.
McCain needs Hagee's endorsement to hang on to the religious right.
Obama needed Rev. Wright when he was in local politics in Chicago so he sat in that church every Sunday. Now, he is in national politics and Rev. Wright is a liability so Obama "repudiates" him.
Obama pegs himself as a different kind of politicians but it looks like politics as usual to me.

[chrisbee]

again four clips of four sermons in 30 years. You know MSM has gone digging for every single sermon right? 4 sermons that Obama wasn't in the pews to hear.. so spare me your soap box rhetoric. Stop looking at Obama as the enemy, he is on your side.

[mikekev58]

I don't believe Obama wasn't in the pews when Rev. Wright gave similar fiery speeches. What is shameful is that Barack Obama apparently hasn't watched the entire clips that were shown on Bill Moyers.
I, a Hillary Clinton supporter, felt after seeing those longer clips that Rev. Wright had been grievously wronged, and I include Hillary Clinton among those who judged Rev.Wright precipitously.
At what point are we going to admit that while America isn't static, it also wasn't that long ago, in my lifetime(60) that blacks were subject to Jim Crow and were meant to "stay in their place."?
Barack Obama was and remains naive if he thinks he can slough off the deep racial divisions still present in this county by giving a wonder speech on race.
The elephant in the room is that Obama isn't getting a significant enough share of the white "working class"(my strata) and Hillary isn't getting but @5% of the black vote in general.
Name calling across the lines in this campaign won't help to heal America. You can not begin healing until you acknowledge the wound. You can not transcend race in an American presidential campaign, because no one can transcend race at this point in American history.
After it's over, unite to defeat John McCain and the GOP.

[catuskoti]

Texanna33, you're right that there's little comparison between McCain's relationship with Hagee and Obama's relationship with Wright. But it's important too to note that this man was just Obama's pastor; it's not like they were married or were BFF's, and so on. The issue has been massively overblown by republicans who are eager to destabilize the likely democratic nominee, the Clinton campaign who is eager to destabilize its rival, and the media, which is eager to show that it can put Obama through the ringer. Because these people are out for blood, and not truth or fact, nothing Obama can say or do will possibly please them.

As Edwards used to say, the Game Is Rigged. And yeah, you're right, when you're playing in a rigged system, nobody, including Obama can come out smelling of roses.

The question now is why we continue to allow our system to be rigged, and which of the three candidates is most able and willing to change it.

Obama is the clear choice.

All best wishes,

Amy

[independentrepublicrat]

Does anyone need further proof of McClinton's team strategy?

[mlaiuppa]

Tell me what you know about Hillary's Senate Prayer group and Doug Coe.

Then cast stones.

[memphispaul]

AMEN!

[Kong2]

No, McCain didn't "sit there for 20 years" but he actively sought out Hagee's endorsement.

The issue here that never gets talked about is the fact that Hagee, Robertson, Dobson and the rest are huge players in the GOP power structure. You cannot get the GOP nomination without pandering to these people.

No matter how much of a whackjob Reverend Wright might be, he has very little political power. Hagee and company, however, wield considerable power, especially where our Middle East policy is concerned.

[hitmewitdarock]

so how does this affect mccain? this is way different from obama and his pastor, friend, mentor and "uncle" (that's what obama said) rev. wright. If we are to hold obama to the same standard (of those that endorse candidate) then what about minister farrakhan and the nation of islams endorsement of obama? this is a silly non issue...

[blindjester]

Non-issue? Even tenuous connection to Obama is dissected for days and weeks.

McCain has sought the support of right wing preachers--the very ones he disowned back in 2000. He said he was happy to have Hagee's support. (Obama did not seek or even appreciate Farrakhan'­s.)

We overlook the beams in McCain's eye to pick a mote out of Obama's.

[YankeeCanuck]

The difference is that Obama declared that Farrakhan may endorse whomever he wishes, but that Obama did not agree with Farrakhan on many issues. He essentially rejected the endorsement.
But-- McCain said he was pleased to have Hagee's endorsement and has appeared with him.

[Sneakerface]

Clearly the "sat in the pews for 20 years" argument doesn't fly, when you align yourself with someone like Hagee and don't repudiate him. Furthermore, the things Hagee has said are exponentially worse than anything Wright ever said. But I don't even know why we're bothering with Hagee, when McCain proudly accepted the endorsement of The Man Who Betrayed America, George W. Bush.

[AntonBursch]

Hagee will by himself nullify any possible effect that Wright could have on the general election. And we aint see nothing yet from this 'wackadoodle'.

[mikekev58]

Regrettably, you are way out of touch with a large segment of American society, as well as with the nature of the media.
It has already been established that Rev. Hagee never referred to the Roman Catholic Church as the "great whore", although I'm pretty sure many on HuffPo would probably assent to that view.
Having knocked down one or two of Hagee's alleged extremist views, he then becomes un-newsworthy.

While I believe Rev. Wright is being maligned from all sides, including some on this post who defended him weeks ago but now just want him to go away, he has chosen to inject himself into the political campaign in a more assertive way than Hagee has, and I do not believe Rev. Hagee will make much noise in the general election season, except to urge his "flock" to support the candidate who best reflects the Rev. Hagee's view of what's God's view of what right and wrong is.

I can see McCain, or some 427s, using Rev. Wright during the general election. I do not see Barack Obama stooping to that level by using Hagee; it wouldn't work anyway in a country that had bonfires of Dixie Chick CDs.

No, sad to say but Hagee is not now, nor will he be come the fall, a household image connected with John McCain.

[badtimes]

mike, I'm not sure about your assertion in para 2. But folks should watch the clip for themselves:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q