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Politicizing Guns: If Not Now, When?

Posted: 07/21/2012 12:00 pm

It's a trick. When people tell you that you shouldn't politicize a tragedy like the shooting in Aurora, Colorado they are unwittingly helping to spread NRA propaganda. After a tragedy like that, it is the most logical thing in the world to ask what went wrong and how we can fix it. When you ask that question, the obvious answer is our gun laws. It's awfully hard to stab 70 people and kill 12 of them in a short period of time like that. It's very easy to murder those same people if you have an AR-15 assault rifle, a shotgun and two glocks.

This is the obvious conclusion that the NRA desperately wants you to avoid. So, they do a brilliant trick where they tell you that you are not allowed to talk about the problem in the immediate aftermath of the violence and death their guns caused -- that would be politicizing the tragedy.

They know that after a certain amount of time passes people are going to move on anyway and never get back to the issue. Big news events are when people are motivated to action. That's exactly why Republicans and the NRA don't ever want you to talk about guns after a big news event like this. They figure that within a week people will get distracted and the gun manufacturers they represent can go back to making money off of weapons that murder us.

No one is a better authority on this than Colin Goddard who was shot four times at Virginia Tech and now works for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. You can see the emotion on his face here as he asks the best question about the conversation we need to have about guns in this country: If not now, when?

You also need to remember that this is not about gun owners versus the rest of us. Most gun owners believe in reasonable regulations on guns. Did you know that people on the terrorist watch list can still buy guns? Most NRA members are against that insane policy, as the rest of us are. So, why does it exist? Because the NRA doesn't represent gun owners, they represent gun manufacturers! That's who pays the bills at the NRA and their motivation is to sell as many guns as possible, no matter how ridiculous or how murderous.

We should be really proud -- we're #1 in ...

1. The number of guns per capita. 90 guns for every 100 people. Yemen is a distant second at 61.

2. In gun violence. Nearly 100,000 people get shot every year. That's 270 people a day and 87 dead because of gun violence every day. That's seven Colorado shootings per day!

3. The number of child deaths because of guns. Nearly 3,000 kids are killed by guns every year.

And gun manufacturers cheer on! What is their response to all of this? They send out their Republican minions to say that the answer is more guns. If only other people in the crowd had guns, then everything would have been alright. Yes, because in that dark, smoke filled theater if there were more than two or three shooters everyone would have known who was the original shooter and less people would have been shot, right?

How would the third gunmen know if the second gunmen were part of the team that was shooting the place up (like Klebold and Harris at Columbine) or one of the guys trying to prevent it? Let alone the fourth or the fifth gunmen, let alone the cops who show up.

So, why do people like Rep. Louie Gohmert blame the victims and tell them things would have been OK if they had all brought their guns, too? Because Gohmert gets money from the people who make money when you get murdered.

One last note on whether tragedies like this get politicized or not. How many times have you heard conservatives say that we had to torture people because there might be a situation in which there is a ticking time bomb? In this case, James Holmes literally set a ticking time bomb in his booby-trapped apartment. Yet, there was no talk of torturing him, or taking away his rights, not giving him Miranda warnings, indefinitely detaining him or calling him a terrorist. Are you sure the same thing would have happened if his name was Mohamed al-Abdullah instead of James Holmes?

If the shooter was Muslim, do you think you would have heard any Republicans saying "let's not politicize this tragedy." They would have been screaming about terrorism the minute the story hit the airwaves. In fact, they would have been so knee-deep in politicizing it that we might have invaded another Middle Eastern country by now.

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It's a trick. When people tell you that you shouldn't politicize a tragedy like the shooting in Aurora, Colorado they are unwittingly helping to spread NRA propaganda. After a tragedy like that, it is...
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01:37 PM on 07/24/2012
Good grief, what is it with the left?! They are always on the wrong side of history, and America, and teh American people . . . . kill babies? check disarm the citizenry? check steal from taxpayers to give to the shiftless? check . . bankrupt the country to pay off their constituency? check . . . and on and on it goes. sure wish they'd move to fwance or something . . .
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Olga Rudich
07:20 PM on 07/27/2012
You have the Fox News talking points down. You get an "A" for letting others think for you. Liberals don't want to "disarm the citizenry". You are taking a logical and moderate progressive argument and deliberately and dishonestly turning it into an extreme argument that was never the intent. Background checks, banning clips that contain more than 100 bullets, banning assault rifles or assault style rifles is not disarming the citizenry. Regulating "arms" is not taking them away. We would still have a well armed citizenry without assualt style rifles and without 100 round clips. I wish the conservatives would be honest and take some personal responsibility for their misleading arguments.
12:37 AM on 07/24/2012
Blaming the senseless shooting in Colorado on gun laws, is like blaming kool aid on the jonestown massacre! The act was senseless, so address the root of the problem and not the symptom. He had serious mental issues, and no one did anything about it. We have gun laws, and they work. We need to catch these people before they lose it...
12:33 AM on 07/24/2012
The gun issue, isn't the issue but its perfect for dividing people. Notice that nobody wants to talk about mental healthcare or the extreme lack of it in the US. You can directly correlate the decline in state mental hospitals in the late '70s with the rise in these shootings. But NOBODY wants to talk about that.
12:30 AM on 07/24/2012
Well, I'm all for gun rights but that isn't what the constitution says. You left out the rest.
12:29 AM on 07/24/2012
Because nobody can handle the truth, that crazy people exist and we have no way of stopping them.
12:28 AM on 07/24/2012
Cenk is right that we should talk about this, but banning guns isn't the right policy. How is the war on drugs working?

No, we need mental health treatment. We need to have stronger laws on institutionalizing people deemed to be a risk, and honestly...we need to invest in new techniques for screening.
07:47 PM on 07/23/2012
It is time as a public that we get laws that regulate the gun industry and ownership and after a tragedy like we have just experienced, it is exactly the right time to bring this to the front of our attention and conversation.  We need sane gun regulations, that include restrictions and elimination of certain types of weapons, restriction of magazine loads, and most importantly full and proper registration of all firearm purchases, new and used, registration that is required to purchase ammunition.  Guns are special, they are designed to kill, they have the designed capability of killing at a distance,  they are designed for killing many people with some significant efficiency, it is time as a society that we look at the 2nd amendment and recognize that was written at the time when the weapons they were writing about were the musket and a lead pellet not a modern day assault rifle, 100 round magazines, and jacked bullets that can penetrate armor.    If we do it together we can bring sanity back to gun ownership.
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swatcapt
08:47 PM on 09/05/2012
"it is time as a society that we look at the 2nd amendment and recognize that was written at the time when the weapons they were writing about were the musket and a lead pellet not a modern day assault rifle"

We can do that as soon as you get off your computer and start using parch paper and a quil or a hand operated printing press to use your freedom of speech
06:19 PM on 07/23/2012
Amazing that arguments over guns are all about the two extremes. No middle ground. So polarized in our politics, policies and attitudes, we “hate” each other for this divide. Here is my view as a hunter and gun owner:

NRA/gun fanatics: Quit believing the bull from the NRA about government coming after your guns and ammo...they are not and they cannot. Stop thinking regulations equal taking away rights and your guns. ID and background checks, are attempts to prevent guns landing in the hands of murderers like the guy in Colorado. It's a small thing to ask, for us to wait for checks, in order to keep killers from getting their hands on these weapons.

Anti-gun fanatics: Stop yelling that we need to take away all guns or forcing laws that severely limit gun use and ownership. Even I do not believe there is a reason to have an assault rifle to hunt and I see limited reasoning for hand guns or 1000s of rounds, but our freedoms allow us to keep them.

The NRA, gun and ammunition makers get $billions, having this debate rage on, every year. We are strip searched or large bottles of shampoo are taken away at airports, but, if you buy 1000s of rounds of ammo or a rifle with a magazine holding more than 6 rounds, that's "OK"., but it's NOT for hunting. With checks on all weapon purchases, this particular mass murderer would have been caught months ago.
11:17 PM on 07/25/2012
Wouldn't it be nice to exist in a society where the "middle ground" is chosen by everyone? Sadly, most of modern society is polarised and certainly America is on this issue. I see no hope of rational debate.

What the US needs is not "gun-control" it's control on WHO can have a gun - psych reports? However, even in the UK, the strict laws do not stop the guy who "flips" at some point in the future.
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swatcapt
08:55 PM on 09/05/2012
"NRA/gun fanatics: Quit believing the bull from the NRA about government coming after your guns and ammo...they are not and they cannot."

Might want to look up what happen after hurricane katrina.

"ID and background checks, are attempts to prevent guns landing in the hands of murderers like the guy in Colorado"

Yeah becasue it work to to him

"Even I do not believe there is a reason to have an assault rifle to hunt and I see limited reasoning for hand guns or 1000s of rounds, but our freedoms allow us to keep

Ar platforms are use all the time for hunting one of my favorit rifle to hunt coyotes with. handguns are one of the best selfdefence firearms out there. And last 1000 is nothing i just shoot all most 2000 round this past weekend.

People like you who call yourself a gun own get me so made. First the Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. Next you do not care about gun laws as long as they dont affect you. So one day if they come for your hunting rifle of shotgun dont complain
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Jake Clampett
05:43 PM on 07/23/2012
From Jan 1 2012 through July 12 2012...259 homicides in Chicago,,, 201 Blacks, 44 Latinos,,,
No National outrage,,,,,,,and not one attributed to an NRA member
03:06 PM on 07/23/2012
“Maybe it would have helped if the shooter hadn't had access to an assault rifle.”

“You're politicizing the tragedy.”

“Maybe if he hadn't had high-capacity magazines.”

“You're politicizing the tragedy.”

“Maybe if he had not been able to buy thousands of rounds off the Internet.”

“You're politicizing the tragedy.”

“Maybe if everybody in the theater was armed and started blasting away randomly?”

“FAP FAP FAP FAP...”
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The One True Dave
Liberal, apatheist, disabled combat vet.
01:16 PM on 07/23/2012
You can't change a leopard's spots. Violence is in the American character. If we could fix this problem we already would have, but it's beyond our capacity. We just have to accept that children will continue to die so that certain fetishists can keep their kink.
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diverjay
The Depth of Liberal Hypocrisy is Beyond Fathom.
01:51 PM on 07/23/2012
That's why Hollywood will keep churning out movies glamorizing senseless killing and random acts of violence.
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03:14 PM on 07/23/2012
Sadly, someday something so terrible will happen that a bipartisan consensus will have to arrive to address the problem of military grade weaponry being stockpiled by private citizens, many of whom are paranoid and unbalanced. In a political atmosphere where one party is portrayed as the one that wants to "come and take away your guns", and the other is portrayed as the one that wants to protect gun rights, no progress can be made. And yes - I blame the gun demagoguery of conservative & republican politicians directly for mass murders such as the one that happened this past weekend.
11:42 AM on 07/23/2012
I agree with the not needing the AR-15, but the Glocks and Shotgun should have no more restriction than they do now. People will always find a way to carry out their demented plans. He didn't need all those guns to do the damage that he did. Anyone could easily do such a thing with far less. And yet far less might also be the minimum amount of safety I'm willing to possess at a given time.
JNarragansett
Check your premises
11:41 AM on 07/23/2012
"Look it isn't in poor taste to use the victims of a tragedy to further our political aims before the bodies are cold because we can speculate that if the facts were different, republicans would do it."
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tclayjr
Republican Slayer
10:51 AM on 07/23/2012
Big people carry intelligence and ideas. Little people carry guns and ignorance.
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Jerry Bourbon
05:43 PM on 09/04/2012
Big ex husbands get shot by little ex wives with restraining orders and CCWs.

And that is a good thing.
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mmunnich
10:41 AM on 07/23/2012
It always amazes me that these incidents bring out the cries for more gun control but not for better mental health care. Both proper gun control and mental health care are sadly lacking in this country. Put the two together and you will continue to have tragedies like these.