Cenk Uygur

Cenk Uygur

Posted: October 29, 2007 12:39 PM

Bush Insiders Describe How This Administration Starts Wars

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I don't normally do this, but you have to read this article. It is the story of Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann, who worked inside the Bush administration and tell an amazing story of arrogance, incompetence and dereliction of duty.

Iran had basically surrendered to us in 2003 -- and we refused their offer of turning in all of their terrorist allies and completely stopping their nuclear program. If we actually cared about ending terrorism or their nuclear ambitions, we would have jumped all over this deal. But that is not what Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld cared about.

The fake WMD threat and charges of terrorism are the same exact ruse they used in Iraq. And unbelievably, the media is going along with it just like they did in the lead up to the Iraq War. My God people, are you ever going to question their underlying premises?

If they cared so much about nuclear proliferation, why didn't they focus all of their efforts against North Koreas as they built six to eight nukes? Why didn't they say a word about Syria as that country apparently brought in material to build a nuclear reactor (if that is the real story of the Israeli boming there)?

Could it be because North Korea and Syria have no oil?

If they actually cared about who is attacking our troops in Iraq wouldn't they have gone after Saudi Arabia, who was funding 90% of the attacks against our troops according to the Iraq Study Group? If they cared about who was attacking our troops in Afghanistan, wouldn't they go after Pakistan which allows a tidalwave of fighters and weapons into Afghanistan every single day?

If they cared about terrorism at all wouldn't they go after Osama bin Laden instead?

I cannot believe the media is going along with this pathetic ruse -- again. Stop pretending it's about nukes and terrorism. That's exactly the same load of crap they fed you in Iraq. Have you learned absolutely nothing?

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- mimsnpips I'm a Fan of mimsnpips 10 fans permalink
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What the f*** is going on with the American People? The general populace is so caught up in their little worlds that they are being blindly led over the edge. And that edge just may be a point of no return.

The only thing that may...may wake them up is the high oil prices but I'm not even counting on that. If it weren't for those who do care, and my loved ones, I am at the point where I want to say "you idiots that don't care are going to get what you deserve".

Of course that goes for the neo psychotics too. Destroy the world idiots. The neo/rethug­/evangelic­als will go with the destruction though they think the 'rapture' is going to rescue them.

Keep waiting fools. And buy sunscreen. "I will say unto them depart from Me I never knew you."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 10/29/2007
- FlowerGirl I'm a Fan of FlowerGirl 25 fans permalink

High oil prices won't do it. Don't you recall what they were when Bush ordered tha invasion of Iraq. One of the projected benefits of the war was supposded to be lower prices but ...
when we attack Iran, maybe ...

Any nation run by sociopaths is in trouble. And I request only that you compare any textbook description of a sociopath with Bush, Cheney, or any of those dear old leading Neocons. However, a nation that fails to recognize its sociopathic leaders for what they are, must be a nation deserving of the trouble they bring it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 PM on 10/29/2007
- Balzac I'm a Fan of Balzac 121 fans permalink
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Cenk, it's not that they haven't learned, it's that they are malicious, shameless, well-compensated accessories to war crimes.

These people in the media who fan the flames of war against Iran are media mercenaries, like Blackwater but without the guts to fight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 10/29/2007
- aleco I'm a Fan of aleco 5 fans permalink

You're right, Balzac. The major news channels don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. It's all about corporate profits for sponsors and advertising revenue for the media. The people be damned!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 PM on 10/29/2007

The Only thing that our government is violence.
10 million americans marching onn washington is meanless ... unless the administration ... calls out blackwater or some other enforcement body with pre-immuniity for random killings. oversteping the line that way a number of times since world war1 you will see that the population wakes up for a little while.

YOU ARE THE ENEMY

these people have been working on this endgame since before ww2 started. The USA backed both sides. Divide and conquer! Haiti, cuba, iran, chili are all examples for long term public display of what the WASPS that rule germany, england, usa and australia can do to punish those that go for democracy on their own.
that the masses shall not bring regime change to their own lands. they must be stopped.

the usa and england have a long tradition of sends their boys of to secure the right of american companies to do business. not only do the lower classes give their lives for the the enrichment of business ... the survivors get to pick up the tab for it too. IRAQ may well have a 2 trillion dollar tab for you guys to pay.

AIN'T THIS GREAT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 10/29/2007

It's smart to let the United States declare war on you. We are still aiding every nation we've had a war with in the last 100 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 10/29/2007
- Idiocracy I'm a Fan of Idiocracy 4 fans permalink

This truly is a double edge sword issue.

The war is ALL about oil. THose of us that can think and use our brains know this to be true.

Heres the problem:

Without oil, we lose a great deal of the "American way of life".

Im not just talking about fueling up your car. I hope everyone realizes just how important "oil" in its many forms, is responsible for almost all products in your home, work, etc.

Everything from your toothbrush, to your computer, your car tires, the entire inside of your car, office, the clothes you wear, plastic bags, bottles, etc.. the list goes on.

Our Infrastructure is very finely tuned towards the use of petroleum for almost everything we know of products we use daily. Coming off oil will be as bad as coming off a bad drug, its not going to be easy at all without crashing the economy, its going to be a tough ride when we finally start making a shift, if ever.

AND, and this point in time, "Big Oil" runs the world and is corrupt and evil. They are part of the wars we fight through huge billion dollar defense contracts where everyone is so busy getting more wealth and power, they care not for the rest of the world.

"There is no profit in peace"

It's all about defense contracts. An ongoing war means money for the powers that be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 10/29/2007

Wow. Just wow.

Read the linked Esquire article.

And start building your bomb shelter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 10/29/2007
- Idiocracy I'm a Fan of Idiocracy 4 fans permalink

It's all about billion dollar defense contracts. Nothing else.
Money and power... More money and power...
A perpetual war(s) mean more money, a constant flow of endless money for for the powers that be.
I forget who said "There is no profit in peace."

Billions of dollars are missing in both money and weapons, wanna bet its going to the other team to keep the war moving along and not ending too quickly? We have the power to wipe out anything in our way, yet the war continues.­.. And for a good reason... Billion dollar defence Contracts.­..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 10/29/2007
- aleco I'm a Fan of aleco 5 fans permalink

To underline your point, Idiocracy, did you know that during the Iran/Contra episode, while the U.S. government was openly supporting the Contras, the CIA was secretly supplying arms to the Sandinistas? I'll leave the "Why"? to your imagination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 10/29/2007

Re "If they cared so much about nuclear proliferat­ion..."

Why out Valerie Plame, and by so doing, the entire CIA counter-pr­oliferatio­n operation?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:15 PM on 10/29/2007
- FlowerGirl I'm a Fan of FlowerGirl 25 fans permalink

Because they could?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 10/29/2007

Is it not the sad reality that so much of 'the news' is just a fully owned wing of the USA corporate-­miltaristi­c juggernaut?

Why do we even expect objective and sensible reporting?

Besides, we have such a huge faction of nitwits in this country, who don't know how to interpret what's going in anything other than biblical terms - were screwed, no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:03 PM on 10/29/2007
- ZHarris I'm a Fan of ZHarris 48 fans permalink
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I sent that link to HuffPo a week ago. Glad to see it showed up here. If nothing else, the article makes the powerful argument that diplomacy, real diplomacy should always be our first choice.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:55 PM on 10/29/2007

Cenk, As long as we can keep the Senate from giving GW a blank check to attack Iran like they did for Iraq we will be OK. It is not like the Senate would be naive enough to say, name the Iranian Revolutionary Guards a terrorist organization. It would be too obvious a ploy by the administration to create a pretext for going to war with Iran. No, now that the Senate is controlled by the Democrats this will never happen.

Funny, it sort of feels like 2002 all over again...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 10/29/2007

Sounds to me like Bush/Cheney really are considering WWIII - that's why it's on the tips of their tongues. And the likely reason is that once we're in a World War, they no longer have to justify how we got there.

At some point, it really will escalate into a war we 'have to fight'. All so Bush/Cheney can save face (that is, assuming they didn't start out wanting WWWIII in the first place).

Funny thing is, the Esquire article makes it sound like 9/11 gave the Iranis a face-saving way to offer to capitulate to the U.S., and we didn't take it. This administration needs to learn more about human nature than the fact that you can scare people into supporting hard-line demagoguery.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 10/29/2007
- research I'm a Fan of research 265 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:08 PM on 10/29/2007

Hi,

Will we ever find out what VP Cheney and the oil industry executives and spokesmen talked about and agreed about back in 2002?

Probably not.

Could this be the key to the WHY of the Iraq war??

What do U think?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 10/29/2007

I think the Founding Fathers gave the right to declare war to Congress, so that the Executive Branch could cede it to the Oil Companies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 10/29/2007

Of course we know what Darth and the oil honchos talked about. The just of it was, hang in there, boys, and we'll get you all the mideast oil until those oilfields over there run dry. It's a done deal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 10/29/2007
- Cautious I'm a Fan of Cautious 15 fans permalink
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Cenk and all,

I admit I haven't read the other comments yet, but how do we keep things like this in the national consciousness? It seems like it sits in the news for 24 hours at most, and then there's no sign of awareness.

The story itself reminds me of something I heard recently on educational TV- that Ho Chi Minh asked Harry Truman to form an economic and political alliance..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 10/29/2007
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A strong, unfettered, independent media was suppose to be our last defense against tyranny and opression in this country so the corporations bought it to silence it and the rest is history.

Corruption is the order of the day people and as long as palms are being greased no one gives a damn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 10/29/2007
- jazzman I'm a Fan of jazzman 229 fans permalink
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the MSM does hardly any digging. I find more facts in 30 minutes of scouring the web than a journalist digs up in a month of full time work. This Iranian proposed agreement has been out on the web for a long time and has been blogged about many times but have you heard one 'so called' professional journalistic outlet deal with this in any depth? The answer is: No.
Why? Because doing so, does not bring profits, curry favor with the Administration, or further any corporate agenda so the American people are left in total ignorance as they watch serious looking TV stars posing as journalists blab pablum and simplistic Administration propaganda into the camera.

What passes for mainstream research - "Hi, I sourced my news story today. I asked Dana Perino."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 10/29/2007
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