How Would Hillary Handle the Next Cuban Missile Crisis?

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Posted April 1, 2008 | 11:33 AM (EST)



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Throughout the primaries there has been a credulous discussion about the different reasons why Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq War authorization bill. Senator Clinton has said that she thought the president should have the authority to threaten force so he would have better negotiation leverage. Senator Obama has said she showed poor judgment in trusting President Bush to use that authority wisely.

Neither one of these things is true. Let's get real. She voted for the Iraq War because she thought it was in her political interest. I'm not one to think that every wink and nod of Senator Clinton is a meticulously thought out political strategy. But come on, this isn't a laugh here or a tear there - this was the biggest political vote of their careers. Did they take politics into consideration? Of course!!!!

And what was the political calculation here? All the Democrats who had national ambitions thought they would be called weak on national security if they didn't vote for the war. You know it, I know it and everyone who was paying any degree of attention knows it.

So, what does this vote reveal about Senator Clinton? She is willing to side with Republicans on matters of great importance to avoid the appearance of weakness. Instead of challenging the Republican frame on national security, she succumbs to it.

It's not just the Iraq authorization vote. It's the Kyl-Lieberman amendment where she agreed that Iran was killing our soldiers and was a terrorist threat to us (on very flimsy evidence), thereby paving the way for another possible war. We might or might not have that war, but she was willing to take that risk so she didn't appear weak on national security.

She also accepts the Republican position that negotiating with our enemies is a foolhardy and naïve idea (I know, Reagan was such a naïf when he negotiated with the Soviets). Why does she take this extreme position? Because otherwise the Republicans might call her ... weak on national security.

So, how will she react if God forbid there is a serious threat to this country when she is president? I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt and assuming she will not pull the trigger on imagined threats dreamed up by neocons. But if there is a real threat, what do we want our president doing? Worrying about the consequences of her decision to the real security of this country or worrying about how she'll be perceived by the Republicans?

Will they call her weak on national security? Should she pull the trigger to show them how tough she is?

At this point, every Republican reading this is screaming, "But she should pull the trigger! You said there was real national security threat!" It seems we have forgotten the days when firing first was not our only option. Remember when we had the Cuban Missile Crisis and John F. Kennedy was a hero for not getting us into war?

Remember when we thought war was a bad idea? Remember when we realized the true costs of war and didn't treat it as just a video game for America to win? Remember when avoiding war was considered a strong act of presidential leadership, not a weak one?

Sometimes war is necessary. But, although you couldn't tell these days, sometimes it isn't. We need a president strong enough to tell the difference. Is someone who has been tailoring all of her foreign policy moves to avoid criticism by the warmongering Republicans going to be able to show that kind of judgment, that kind of strength?

If we had a current day Cuban Missile Crisis, would Hillary pull the trigger just to show the Republicans she wasn't weak on national security? You can reasonably say she wouldn't. But even her most ardent supporters, in their heart of hearts, would have to admit they aren't quite sure. That has been her pattern. That has been her experience. That has been her record.

How sure could you possibly be that she wouldn't act in what she perceived was her political interest rather than what the moment truly called for? Now, I understand that every politician considers their political interest to some degree (though, to what degree matters a tremendous amount). But that's not the only problem for Senator Clinton. The other problem is that she has calculated her political interest all wrong.

She would be better served to take on the Republicans on the idea of what is truly a strong foreign policy. For example, when Barack Obama was challenged on his idea that we should meet with foreign leaders we don't like, he did not back down. He didn't accept the current Republican position. He held strong to what we have done in this country from George Washington to Bill Clinton. We meet with our adversaries, we hold to our position and we negotiate from strength. The current Republican position is a radical departure from previous bipartisan foreign policy. You don't bend to that position, you meet it head on. That's strength.

Instead, Hillary Clinton has calculated that being Republican-light in the area of national security is the better approach. She accepts John McCain's position that being hostile to all of our adversaries is the correct path. But then she argues that she won't be quite as hostile. When you accept their position from the beginning of the debate, you have already lost. The frame is the name of the game.

And Senator Clinton has never fully understood or accepted this. She buys into all of the Republican frames and then wonders how they keep losing legislative battles to the most unpopular president of all time. Once you accept that cutting off funding for the war is cutting off funding for the troops then you've already lost the argument before it began.

Since she has never understood this, why would you have any confidence that she would magically change when she becomes president? Why would you have any confidence that the next time we have a crisis she won't take aggressive military option just to show people she is not weak on national security?

That's a chance we can't afford to take.

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So, if HRC were to become the nominee, I shouldn't vote for her?

Look, I have no argument with this posting but if HRC really has no chance of getting the nomination, why pay any attention to her? Obama should turn his attention to McCain and let HRC natter on. No one is going to reason her out of campaigning.

Do we need to keep talking about why she would be a terrible president? In fact, the argument could be made that Obama supporters who keeping going after HRC only drive her supporters further away. Do we want that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 04/03/2008

Michael Moore said much the same thing in January -- we won't have a chance of reason and restraint with Hillary until her SECOND term, when she won't have to automatically choose force:

Why has Hillary consisted voted for the war and to maintain the war?

"I have a theory: Hillary knows the sexist country we still live in and that one of the reasons the public, in the past, would never consider a woman as president is because she would also be commander in chief. The majority of Americans were concerned that a woman would not be as likely to go to war as a man (horror of horrors!). So, in order to placate that mindset, perhaps she believed she had to be as "tough" as a man, she had to be willing to push The Button if necessary, and give the generals whatever they wanted. If this is, in fact, what has motivated her pro-war votes, then this would truly make her a scary first-term president. If the U.S. is faced with some unforeseen threat in her first years, she knows that in order to get re-elected she'd better be ready to go all Maggie Thatcher on whoever sneezes in our direction. Do we want to risk this, hoping the world makes it in one piece to her second term?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 04/01/2008

Whoops -- forgot to source it: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2008-01-02

Michael also noted that he was supposed to do a Rolling Stone interview with Clinton, Obama and Edwards, but Clinton crapped out so the interview was canceled. I thought some of the most interesting ideas were from the candidates the media had marginalized -- Gravel, Kucinich, Dodd -- and I would have been delighted if he had interviewed them instead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 04/01/2008

Great job, Cenk, right on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:49 PM on 04/01/2008

Thanks for reminding us of what a neocon tool Rodham really is!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:50 PM on 04/01/2008

What can you say? He's 100% right, 0% wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 04/01/2008

You nailed it again, Cenk.

It's funny because in the beginning we all knew that her vote was crafted specifically to appear hawkish (for a future presidential candidacy, no one doubted).

Yet, after hearing her lame retorts time after time like "I took the presidents word for it" one forgets all to quickly what the REAL motivation behind her vote was.

Thank you for reminding us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 04/01/2008

She forfeited good judgment to artifically build an image of strength. We can only hope voters acknowledge that real strength is derived from sound decision-making, not by how loud a candidate has irrationally beaten the drums of war. We've seen this movie before. Let's not rerun it. It was titled "Kerry '04". Flip-flopping, but now minus the war veteran credibility - is a losing tagline.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 04/01/2008

"So, what does this vote reveal about Senator Clinton? She is willing to side with Republicans on matters of great importance to avoid the appearance of weakness. Instead of challenging the Republican frame on national security, she succumbs to it."

You appear to be claiming that, were it not for this political calculation, Hillary Clinton would of course have opposed the war. There is, frankly, no reason to suppose this to be the case. Senator Clinton has on no occassion given anyone reason to believe that she opposes this war in any meaningful way.

Therefore, Occam's razor demands the simpler explanation: she voted for the war because she wanted war.

In support of this, I'll point to the number of hawks she has as foreign policy advisors. What with the self-serving neo-con defections from the Bush/Cheney faction, it is very likely that Hillary Clinton has more Likudnik neo-con hawks in her camp than remain in the president's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 04/01/2008



Great post.

So our first viable woman presidential candidate, touted by her high heeled mafia as being the next saviour for womanhood, is in reality trying to be one of the boys. She's not embracing the compassion her contingent claim she'll bring to the White House, she's trying to show she can be just as short sighted, and trigger finger happy as the next guy.

Thats why she won't negotiate with leaders of countries this administration has alienated or stamped as part of the Axis of Evil, but wants them to approach her on bended knee for the privilege to discuss democracy. She's trying to be one of the boys.

So she's sold out her feminist base in essence. Oh, they're going to hate to hear that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 04/01/2008

Excellent!! I have thought the same thoughts many times.

And I have considered what Hillary might do if/when in office. I suspect she would act differently in a first term (to get re-elected) than she would in a second term (when she would be more concerned about her "legacy").

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 04/01/2008

Excellent article Cenk. You make a very strong case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 04/01/2008

Cenk,

On the mark as usual. Do me a favor? Go over to Taylor Marsh's blog and try to post a question as to the truthfullness of Clinton. You will not only be ignored, you will be banned from posting forever. If this is the Clinton idea of democracy, then I'll pass. It's not just the Clinton's that are villifying their opposition, it's their supporters also. It's all just to Rovian for me. Let me know how you fare over at Taylor's. I think you'll be surprised.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 04/01/2008

How will a "liberal" show and blog like hers survive Obama winning in November?

Could you imagine being a democratic talk show host in 2009 and there be pages and hours of you bashing the new Democratic President?

Im done with the the DLC, BushDog, and Thirdway wing of our party, lets hope 2008 cleans them out!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 04/01/2008

Senator Clinton would be a disastrous President, for all the reasons you articulate - and more. As our TV pal Dr Phil sagely says: "the best indication of future behaviour is past behaviour".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 04/01/2008

she'd conduct a focus group, have her handlers hold their wet fingers to the wind, then triangulate w/ the rethugs, and go to war again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 04/01/2008

By running to her car for cover.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 AM on 04/01/2008
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