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It looks like the fate of financial reform will get decided on Friday. There have been so many ups and downs in this effort. We've lost so many battles over crucial parts of the bill. It was never that tough to begin with; there are issues with capitalization requirements; there isn't enough control of leverage; the Franken amendment reforming rating agencies should have never been removed. And the list goes on and on (though apparently we have had some recent victories as well).

Despite all of these losses, I'm ready to take half a loaf ... if - and this is a big if - we get to keep the Lincoln amendment on derivatives. It can't be watered down at all. It has to be the real deal. But if that is still in the bill then I think it would be worth voting for - and a real accomplishment for the Democrats.

I have always maintained that complex derivatives were the primary cause of the financial collapse. It's one thing for one bet to go wrong (the subprime market), it's another to have a hundred bets on top of that original bet all go wrong at the same time.

If the banks can't use depositor money as collateral for their betting and they don't get backed up by taxpayers on those bets, then they are free to win or lose them all they like. I have never cared how much profits or losses the banks had, as long as they didn't get the money from us.

I know the Lincoln amendment isn't perfect either and the rest of the bill doesn't have enough restrictions on derivatives (I would ban naked CDS's all together, like Europe is considering). But I'll take this as good starting point. At least the derivatives trading would be split off from taxpayer backed funds and deposits.

I'm afraid if we don't do real financial reform and in a hurry, we are almost certainly headed toward another economic catastrophe. And I'm not sure this bill alone would help us steer away from it. But if the Lincoln amendment passes at least we have fighting chance. Without it, the bill is a joke meant to placate you until the next collapse.

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Wonderwheel
10:32 AM on 06/28/2010
Unfortunately, it is an principle belief of the Democratic Party, that when given the opportunity to go down on bended knee and capitulate,they will.
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ClarcKing
Citizen
08:30 AM on 06/26/2010
Congress continues the war against America. There is no reform, indeed no nation without the Glass-Steagall standard in US banking.
05:27 PM on 06/25/2010
it's a bust. one ginormous bust. but we knew that from the get-go, from the time when AIG was bailed out to get Goldman out of imminent trouble; when Freddie and Fannie were nationalized after PIMCO's Bill Gross convinced the Treasury to do that, from the time TARP billions and unchecked trillions from the Fed went staright to Wall St bonus pool.
05:04 PM on 06/25/2010
Another 2000 page bill that no one has read and no one understands yep what a great govt under barak
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profoundimagery
Human Being - Born Savannah GA. Raised in South Br
08:23 PM on 06/25/2010
I don't think so. http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1999684,00.html
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Wonderwheel
09:41 PM on 06/28/2010
The link is to the time.com story titled "How Barney Frank Forged a Financial Reform Bill"

I think it should be called "How Barney Frank's Financial Reform Bill is a Forgery (of Real Reform)"

LOL! Putting make-up on a pig is "doing something" but the problem is, it is still a pig. Wall Street has not been stopped from running its gmbling casinos one bit by simply "spinning off" the card games from the slots. Once again the welthy owners of this country get to control the shots and Barney Frank sells out for the fame of forging legislation that is no more nutritional than cream puffs.
04:54 PM on 06/25/2010
Cenk, there are few bloggers I trust and you are one. I gather from a comment from Jazzman (whom I think well of) that the Lincoln Amendment may have been further loop-holed today. I was already of the view that we are doomed to another catastrophe for lack of comprehensive and airtight regulation. I would greatly appreciate the update Jazzman requested once the outcome is confirmed.
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03:59 AM on 06/26/2010
the commentators w/shows i follow online are 1. thom hartmann 2. cenk and 3. norman golman is an up and comer. all are smart and kick repub asss good ............... much of the time. cenk used to be a repub and has some non progressive views sometimes. like this week he was debating a progressive over free trade. the progressive author wanted higher tariffs, like thom hartmann. cenk, said no, lets maybe ask china to lower theirs to what ours are. cenk says eventually w/free trade our salaries will go down until an equilibrium is reached with the third world as theirs are coming up. cenk is cool with us making , oh i don't know, $10/hr. well it doesn't have to be that way. none of the above three fought hard for single payer when it counted. they got on the wrongheaded public option bandwagon and left single payer to fade into silence.
01:29 PM on 06/26/2010
Oarfish thank you. That helps me interpret some of Cenk's positions. I'm hostile to free trade, and not because I think the people of other nations have no right to gains. I'm hostile to free trade because the imbalance in oil and manufactured goods is too severe and none of our policies have prepared America for the speed of reversal of fortunes. Moreover, the USA is now tightly in the grip of international corporations (esp banking but also energy, chem, etc and even retail -- Walmart rings up over 10% of ALL USA retail sales) championed by Repubs but increasingly with Dem complicity. Govt and media are increasingly tier two of the wealthy elite. Everywhere policies and deregulation and free trade are enriching the wealthy and devastating the 80% of Americans who are now down to just 7% of America's wealth. We are being plundered mercilessly. But the backlash is being manipulated so that the wealthy elite who control the international corporations will be beneficiaries of angst against govt and politicians and deficits and progressives and environmentalists and bleeding-heart liberals. Our consumptive standard of living can take a notch-down and we must accept it in consequence of the world learning how we got wealthy, but it cannot adjust to transfer of wealth to the world AND its own wealthy at the same time. Like the bank bail-out, free trade is an instrument of both transfers at once.
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ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
04:06 PM on 06/25/2010
HEY PROGRESSIVE MALCONTENTS: I DARE YOU

.... to name any bill passed since Carter that increased regulation of corporations.
During Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton or Bush Jr. Go ahead, name one, I'll wait.
Clinton? He signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall, caused this whole mess.

Obama's health and financial reform are THE FIRST REGULATORY BILLS of the last 30 years!
There has been an unbroken string of deregulation since Reagan.

Lincoln Amendment and public option or not, the health and financial bills are historic.
04:30 PM on 06/25/2010
I too see them as a start. But they are still weak. So I continue to root out Blue Dog Dems. I still wonder what happen'd in Arkansas? I sent money over there to beat Lincoln & they closed 40 of the 42 voting booths. Now even the Democrates Steal Elections. This is going to be a long hard fight!
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ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
04:59 PM on 06/25/2010
Yes, it is. I'm 60, so I see things differently. I'm less impatient, and I believe things DO change - because I've seen it.

Best example: when I got out of college I faced conscription. It's like a jail sentence, except it requires no crime, and jail is safer. We don't have a draft any more; you can't believe what an improvement that is.
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03:49 AM on 06/26/2010
the dem party has been taken over by corporatists since reagan and repubs obstruct anything centrist or left of center. tough sledding. the health and financial bills are weaksauce. can't even get glass steven seagal reinstated.
08:06 PM on 06/27/2010
Yep : and these are the very people whom we expect will pass and implement a substansive campaign finance reform bill and overturn the recent Supreme Court ruling guarantteeing the end of democracy by designating corporations to be 'people'. The ones who have still to throw the middle class a lifeline. The ones who have compromised every possible benefit from health care to financial reform basically giving away the farm w/ no return. I'll give them credit for intitiating it and attempting to fight it out but you certainly can't call any of that "success" ! So, it's only window dressing with an excuse attached : Someone else down the line will have to improve it ! Improve it hell ! The Repubs and the Tea Baggers are steady momentum trying to overturn the weak health care bill as it stands. We are barely hanging on ! Ok , you might call it success but certainly not " Victory" ! Which may also ellude the Dem party come Nov. w/out some significant stategy that pulls in the middle class and enamors them to the cause ! I hate the idea of the Repubs being in power again even enough to block these weak tit bill the Dems keep slogging through but I'm almost to the point of thinking : "It would server them well " !
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03:46 PM on 06/25/2010
The actual blatant abuse of selling " Naked CDS`s " has become the normal way of banking and the idea of actually helping the investment client`s to invest wisely in their bank the essence of banking, has become twisted to become a new way - simply called " How To Bank Unwisely And Help Us To Become Rich In The Process " this was caused by creation of their own products financial services products simply called Naked CDS`s and wow they made money using your money the taxpayers for them to squander.

So ban then now before they bankrupt the American banking system and leave people in dire straits.
03:09 PM on 06/25/2010
This entire process is a joke. Congress has no idea how the financial community is going to respond to this. Bankers are already having meetings about how they're going to get around it if it passes.

If you do anything to harm the property or lives of the American people, you will be arrested and your property will be seized to compensate the victims. Pretty hard to get around that.
01:16 PM on 06/25/2010
Oh, I can't wait to get an earful from Cenk tonight on TYT. He is gonna be positively enraged.

The Kraken shall be unleashed, no doubt. We're sinking like the Titanic, but at least I'll get a chuckle or two from Cenk and co.
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Alethea
Have the courage to use reason.
01:12 PM on 06/25/2010
That's it. Everybody move your money to a credit union if you can. Don't give them money to play with in the first place.

Too bad I can't move my mortgage. I know if I tried refinancing to a smaller bank they would just resell it to Bank of America again. I've always wondered is why I have no say in this? Shouldn't I get to choose who owns my debt?
09:33 PM on 06/26/2010
Try to find one of the credit unions that do mortgages. I know Kaiser does - but I'm not sure about the rest. And I don't know how many they sell. I'm looking into moving all my money out of the banks and into the credit unions or local banks as well. If you can't make them comply with the laws, you might as well just take their business away from them. If enough people do it, maybe they'll get the message.

They can't just continue to take our money and play with it, lose it, etc.. and then not turn around and even lend us money - then they can just eat it.
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01:06 PM on 06/25/2010
If Lincoln wasn't such miserable sellout on health care, she might have had more base support for her derivatives measure.
12:15 PM on 06/25/2010
Just the thought of banks using our money to make risky bets with our money sounds illegal to me.
How the hell can they do that? I know that our money is used to finace loans and the like, but thats Banking 101 and we all approve of that because it aids our communities. But this risky gambling crap isn't something I approve of and I doubt many other people do either. So how do they get away with it?
They killed the Glass-Steagel Act is how. More GOP de-regulation.
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acacia72
02:15 PM on 06/25/2010
My thoughts exactly, AND how the hell do they get away with lending 10 times the money they actually have to back up the loans, "fractional lending I think it's called." What a RACKET!
11:34 AM on 06/25/2010
Hi Cenk. Please update this blog. Blanche Lincoln's derivatives reform was watered down. Can you update this blog and tell us where you stand now and why? Thanks
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sdmcmla
11:23 AM on 06/25/2010
Well, get ready for the catastrophe.
11:19 AM on 06/25/2010
I see only one positive from the useless financial reform bill CONgress just came up with. Thanks to Cenk, Dylan, and others, everyone gets to see very clearly that congress works for the corporate interests and their lobbyists. There is absolutely no doubt that the elected representatives do not represent the people that elected them. We can only hope that this blatant corruption will lead to real changes at some point soon. Sadly, I think it will take a massive crisis bigger than what we saw two years ago to loosen the grip of the corrupt on our financial system.