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Cenk Uygur

Cenk Uygur

Posted: January 20, 2010 04:20 AM

Should Tim Kaine Be Fired?

What's Your Reaction:

For months people have been talking about whether Michael Steele, the head of the RNC, should be fired. He says ridiculous things, gets himself and his party in needless trouble, has nearly run out of money and caused dissension within the ranks. But he has also won three important elections. Tim Kaine, the head of the DNC, on the other hand, has caused no trouble but lost nearly every election. So, who is really the one that should be held accountable?

Do I actually think Michael Steele deserves credit for the Republican wins in Virginia, New Jersey and now in Massachusetts? Not remotely. He happened to be at the right place at the right time. And I look forward to him claiming victory, saying more absurd things and generally hurting the Republican Party.

Well, conversely, is Tim Kaine also the victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Yes and no. These elections definitely mean something. You could have dismissed Virginia as leaning conservative and New Jersey as unique in their anger at Corzine. But there is no excuse for Massachusetts. This is a national election for a senate seat, not a local governor's race with local issues. And three is an undeniable trend. Houston, we have a problem.

Is it fair to blame that problem on Kaine? Well, results matter. When Howard Dean was the chair of the DNC, the Democrats were getting crushing victories. As soon as he left, the losses started piling up. Yes, circumstances also matter. When Dean was chair, it was easy to blame Republicans but now the Democrats own the national problems. Before the economy was the Republicans' problem, now it's the Democrats'.

But tactics also matter. Tim Kaine seems to be running the reverse 50 state strategy -- we can lose anywhere in the country. So, what's he doing wrong? He's gone back to the old days at the DNC, where all you do is raise money and hope that you can win without a message. This is principally the Rahm Emanuel strategy -- cave in to lobbyists, collect their money, choke off Republican fundraising efforts by better serving corporate America and win elections by outspending the opposition. The only problem is that it doesn't work.

For this Emanuel strategy to work no one has to find out what you're doing. This was fairly easy in the old days when the public only got their news from the corporate media. Television news stations almost never mention the idea that politicians might be voting based on corporate donations and not based on actual principles. So, as long as they covered Rahm's ass, he was fine. But now people get their news online, and we have no incentive to lie to them. So, the American people are on to them.

You think they don't know that the Democrats sold out to corporate America at every turn in the first year of the Obama administration? Of course, they know. When Obama gave a speech on health care reform, the crowd booed when he mentioned Max Baucus. Before online news, no one would have even known who Baucus is and they certainly would not have known that he writes health care bills to make money off the health care industry. Television certainly didn't tell them. Who did? We did.

The jig is up. The electorate is perfectly aware that the Obama administration and the Democrats have done next to nothing to fight the power of corporate America and Wall Street. And they're not going to stand for it. This quote from pollster Celinda Lake absolutely nailed it:

"If Scott Brown wins tonight he'll win because he became the change-oriented candidate. Voters are still voting for the change they voted for in 2008, but they want to see it. And right now they think they've got economic policies for Washington that are delivering more for banks than Main Street."

So, the Democrats can bury their head in the sand and pretend people still believe in the magical charm of Obama or they can get their head out of their ass and actually do what they were elected to do -- bring the change they promised.

More likely, they will make the terrible mistake of going further right to try to appear to be more "centrist." That, of course, means selling out more to the lobbyists. Which will mean more electoral losses. Giving more money to the bankers is not a conservative or moderate or liberal position. It has only one purpose -- collecting lobbyist cash. That was the old way of doing things. That's what Rahm Emanuel pushed for and what Tim Kaine accepted. Kaine should be fired for choosing the wrong strategy and getting the wrong results. Three states and you're out.

But wait; shouldn't Emanuel also be fired for coming up with this craven, misguided and ultimately disastrous strategy in the first place? Absolutely.

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bigfro
07:27 AM on 02/17/2010
Barack Obama went to the extreme right, which these days they call the "Political Center". It pissed people off watching him sell out things like the public option. Now instead of learning his lesson, Obama is still listening to the republicans and ignoring his base. Instead of firing Tim Geithner, Obama is giving speeches admonishing the VEry things that Geithner has been up to like allowing millions of homeowners to be defrauded from their mortgages by having their monthly payment suddenly triple. Does Barry fire Geithner, no He gives another speech and then does nothing.

Put some bankers in jail, charge tariffs on CHina so US companies can compete and hire people, start a non profit insurance system, and stop BUGGING OUT PHONES YOU RED. I know you like Reagan, but wetting your pants any time there is a threat is republican behavior. Sacrificing our bill of rights to feel safe is republican behavior. Start acting like a Liberal you wimp. Conservatives have sunk this country in the last eight years and time is running out.
12:55 AM on 01/22/2010
The answer to your question Cenk is yes.

Will it happen. Not until after the coming November disaster.

I'm glad you posted your article though because it was picked up on CNN or MSNBC today (I can't remember which). It was fun to watch Tim Kaine answer it. Until I saw him on TV today I didn't know who the clown was that took over for Dean.

Sort of reminds me of Alex Smith taking over for Joe Montana.
03:26 PM on 01/21/2010
It's not Kaine's fault the president cozied up to Wall Street and invited the medical industrial complex's lobbyists to write the health care bill a la Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force.

Having a coherent, popular message only helps so much when your political and legislative record is the opposite of what you promised to deliver.
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Joe The Nerd Ferraro
Group IQ is inversely proportional to group size.
01:44 PM on 01/21/2010
if you want these people gone

call the DNC
202-863-8000.

post back the reaction.
02:33 PM on 01/21/2010
Just called. The "Chairman's assistant" said they're keeping Tim Kaine, he's doing a good job and he's going to keep doing what he's doing. I asked, "What's that? Losing elections?" Evidently that's what the DNC has in mind, because they have no plans whatsoever to get rid of Tim Kaine and bring back Dr. Dean. He then said, in the middle of me still talking, "Thank you very much" and hung up on me.

So there you have it, from the horse's mouth. Tim is doing a great job for them losing elections.
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Joe The Nerd Ferraro
Group IQ is inversely proportional to group size.
02:42 PM on 01/21/2010
Chica - thank you.

Exposing this in the open will get it fixed.

They cannot treat us with disrespect.

i put up a piece on the DailyKos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/1/21/828305/-Call-the-DNC-and-Report-Back.

for this with a poll.
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01:40 PM on 01/21/2010
If the Democratic party wants to win elections than Dean should be reinstated (after an appropriate apology to Dean and the Democratic base)
01:39 PM on 01/21/2010
Before the election, Webster Tarplay said a vote for Obama is a vote for corporate elites. He and I supported Hillary Clinton. So far, I think Webster was right. So fed up with Obama, I switched to an independent. He kept his mouth shut during the entire health care reform policy debates and whimpers to Backus, Lieberman, and the Republicans. Had enough.Howard Dean is a true leader and
should replace Kaine immediately.
01:02 PM on 01/21/2010
I don't think Tim Kaine is bad, but I thought Howard Dean was much, much better.

Dean's "50 State Strategy" was exactly what we needed. Field candidates in every race. Give everyone a choice. Make the Republicans fight for every seat. That was the right idea. And Dean's speeches, his books, and everything he stands for are exactly what is right for the Democrats.

Massachusetts doesn't really reflect a problem nationally. Coakley was terrible, and she is responsible for losing the race. I was happy to have Kaine as governor of my home state. He was a good governor. But Howard Dean is a better national leader.
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Freesia2
I'm nicer than I appear in print. :-)
11:55 AM on 01/21/2010
Goodbye Tim. You seem like a nice guy and not everything is your fault, but darlin', you are in the wrong line of work. (Where was he anyway? I've almost forgotten what he looks like.)
InLosAngeles
Speaking Truth to Groupthink
11:38 AM on 01/21/2010
This should be pinned squarely on Obama and his team. He ceded his administration to Pelosi & Reid. Obama's likability ratings are just that, limited to likability. Like "Gee what a nice guy and a nice family." "Gee what a cheerful, smart young man". When polled on actual policy, his ratings plummet. So is Tim Kaine the problem? Hardly, unless you make an argument that he is one of many sycophants whispering sweet nothings into his ear. The whole machine is
InLosAngeles
Speaking Truth to Groupthink
11:45 AM on 01/21/2010
The whole machine is faulty, and needs to be repaired.
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MakersMark
Blame me..I voted for him twice & would again!
11:35 AM on 01/21/2010
I'm beginning to think he should be fired!
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obamanation31
11:21 AM on 01/21/2010
I think he should. Bring Back Howard Dean.
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SUSANINCOLUMBIA
11:11 AM on 01/21/2010
HELL, YES!!!
09:52 AM on 01/21/2010
I couldn't agree more. Show them both the door.
09:17 AM on 01/21/2010
I would weep for joy if Rahm Emanuel got the boot.
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Pod-gers
Jeremy Lin = Game Change
05:43 AM on 01/21/2010
part 2...

Then there is the Mass democrat Machine. Need I saw more. It was time to bring the Machine down to earth, and get their attention. I am not sure we actually got their attention, becaue they continue to wallow in denial, and blame the Obama health "care" reform for the election results. Not that many liked the health "care" reform, but do you really think that if health care reform was not goping on in DC, that Martha would have won the election?

Then there was the last debate. Martha behaved like Sarah Palin. She stated that the reason she opposed Obama's Afghanistan War was that there were no Taliban nor Al Quaida in Afghanistan anymore. Yep. That is what she explained to all of us during the debate.

Then the next day she started the campaign of hate, designed to bring down Brown with a series of attack ads filled with mis information and outright lies.

I voted for Scott Brown, and not against Obama nor health "care" reform. I understand that Brown's win in Mass reverberates around the country. But let's not forget, we have problems here in Mass, and confusing why we went for a boat ride with the wake that reaches the opposite shore would be a big nmistake.