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Cenk Uygur

Cenk Uygur

Posted: February 26, 2010 10:56 AM

Take the Damn Vote

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I have now heard countless times that Democrats don't have enough votes for the public option. Twenty-four senators and 120 representatives have signed a letter supporting the public option. Apparently, that's still not enough. Serious people assure us that there just aren't the votes, even to pass it through reconciliation where you only need a simple majority. You know, there is one way to find out.

Take the damn vote.

That way we'll see if all the doomsayers were right or not. And more importantly, we'll see who is on which side when the votes actually get counted. And that's exactly what the problem is. The Democrats don't want to go on the record. They want to be able to kill the public option without admitting who it was that actually killed it.

It's amazing what happens sometimes when you actually take the vote. For example, on the jobs bill Scott Brown flipped over and unexpectedly voted with the Democrats. That led to four other Republicans supporting the bill because they thought it was going to pass anyway. And then a curious thing happened; a whole bunch of the people who voted to filibuster the bill turned around and voted in favor of it in the final vote. They theoretically felt so strong about the bill that they filibustered, but when forced to vote on the merits of the bill, they felt enough pressure from their constituents that they actually voted for it.

In the end, the jobs bill passed easily, 70-28. Why? Because these senators who voted in both directions didn't want to be on the record as opposing the bill. Amazing what taking a vote can get accomplished.

Howard Dean was on The Young Turks last night and he suggested that they could also take a vote on a Medicare buy-in as part of the health care bill. As he explained, that is another form of the public option. He pointed out that there appeared to be 59 Democratic senators on board for the Medicare buy-in compromise before Joe Lieberman (supposedly) single-handedly killed it. Why not try both? Try taking a vote on a robust public option and a Medicare buy-in and see which one people like better.

Here is what is inarguable from a policy perspective: there is no harm in trying. What's the worst that can happen -- we don't get either? Well, if we don't try we won't get either anyway. The only possible harm in taking the vote is finding out which Democrats sold out their voters for some campaign cash from health care companies. Now do you see why they're not planning a vote?

Well, that's exactly why we should put pressure on them to do the bare minimum -- take the vote. Send Harry Reid a message that all we want is a vote and that is the least he can do as Senate Majority Leader. We've all fought so hard and long for this and so many of these Democrats say they've been in favor of it for so long, so they have to at least give us this. Take the vote!

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01:40 AM on 03/02/2010
Lets hope that they take the vote.The democrats seem pathetic.What are they afraid of??? maybe the
republicans won't like them anymore??? They seem so cowardly. they have let the minority party set the agenda. We need more Dems like Howard Dean.. Please vote on the health care bill ASAP.
09:28 PM on 03/01/2010
Cenk, I can't believe that you are so clueless as to not even consider the idea that the Dems aren't just trying to blame others for their own failure to include the public option; but are honestly trying to get what they claim they want: an improvement in the health "system" that will do Americans some good.

I think they are goaded by the fear they will be voted out (a self-fulfilling prophecy) if they try to shove a public option through, and are spinning out the dance trying to get the support they "need" to act. What to you looks like cynical other-blaming, looks to me like a more or less honest try to make a difference, hounded by the absolutely mistaken idea that compromise with Republicans is a real possibility.

Your interpretation paints them as basterds, while mine labels them simply as fools -- take your pick which is better.

But don't set them up for the wrong kind of reaction. Basterds get a much worse reception and response from Americans than do simple fools.
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ky5111
01:43 AM on 03/03/2010
Cenk isn't clueless. What he is, is realistic. Just today, the public option gained its 34th supporter and yet I doubt Obama will take this as a sign that he should push for the public option. The public option continues to gain support, but Obama continues to give it the cold shoulder.

Do you really think a savvy politician like Obama does not see the numerous polls across the nation that indicate the public option is supported by a large majority of the public? Obama is not a fool! The corporate interests have gotten to him and he's simply keeping his end of the bargain. The main person at fault is Obama, because he has the political power to give this movement a lot more momentum than it already has.

Why save the metaphorical bridge if no one's ever going to cross it? The Republicans are happily enjoying their corporate money on the other side of the bridge, while some Democrats are on this side keep blaming the Republicans for not crossing the bridge and trying to hide the corporate money they've received. Then, they don't put up a decent fight and admit defeat.

The Dems aren't fools, but many of them are corrupt. They've set their priorities, and the American people are not at the top.

Of course, I have great appreciation for all the senators who have publicly shown their support for the public option! Let's see what Obama does as the public option continues to gain support.
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ky5111
01:49 AM on 03/03/2010
"Another Democrat told HuffPost Tuesday she's still on the fence. "Oh, I don't know. That's a good question," said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), when asked if she'd vote for a public option under reconciliation rules.
Asked what her concerns were, she said: "I don't know. I'd have to think about it.""

Quoted from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/02/ted-kaufman-public-option_n_483145.html
What do you really think her concerns are?
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TEHelms
Still learning....
10:53 AM on 03/01/2010
It is very frustrating that we continue to be hit over the head with the "threat" of filibusters, is it not? Why not make the Republicans actually do it? I want to see them stand up there and talk about anything but the real issues. Someone tell me other than a lack of fortitute why they are not called out here? Please give me hope there is a concrete reason other than the lack of a spine on the part of Democrats in the Senate.
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capitaldysfunction
White male never voted Republican
07:57 AM on 03/01/2010
I intend to write a letter to my Senators and Representative informing them that without a vote on this matter I will not support their reelection efforts and will, in fact, vote against them. This kind of game-playing corporatist politics has to go. An extention of Medicare for Everyone can be passed by reconciliation just like the W Bush Republicans passed unfunded mandates Medicare Advantage and Medicare Part D (the drug bill) by reconciliation.

The death of bills or popular ideas by affixiation in the middle of the night has to be understood as unacceptable by all of us. We want a vote!!
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ky5111
01:45 AM on 03/03/2010
Sadly, the other politician won't be any better than the incumbent.
06:51 AM on 03/01/2010
Can there be any doubt what's going on. They are stalling until 2010 elections return parity to the Senate and they can say " We don;t have the votes now. " Then when asked why didn;t you vote sooner they'll drop a 2400 page document on the table and say "We don;t have a bill yet". Then when asked why you could not craft a bill in TWO FREAKIN YEARS they'll say " We tried". And Obama will still be smiling that idiotic smile while tellng us nothing with great conviction.
12:28 AM on 03/01/2010
The longer they drag out everything before the vote, Cenk, the larger the window lobbyists will have to access them with those 'bundled' campaign bribes, er ...contributions. Enough Dems MAY in the end vote to save OUR country from predatory insurance industries, but even for them it probably doesn't mean they won't accept a little 'think about it' money - in the meantime...
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Zombeaver
Wooooooooooooood . . .
10:36 PM on 02/28/2010
EX-ACT-LY!!!!!!!!!! I have complete confidence that most of the weak-kneed Democrats would NEVER vote against heath care reform if they were forced to make an actual choice. This is the entire basis of the Republican Bluff. They know Democrats are afraid of their own shadows. In fact, a handful of Republicans will also probably support such a bill knowing that their legacy hangs in the balance.
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Tulka2
Solidarity. Courage. Humor.
06:57 PM on 02/28/2010
Well said. The people want and have a right to know which politicians are on our side regardless of party.
04:32 PM on 02/28/2010
Co-sign, with enthusiasm! Take a roll-call vote, filmed by C-Span. Truth is, the corporatist cockroaches will no longer have any place to hide, so neither the Dem or Rethug "leadership" in the Senate, at least, want to call up a vote that will be recorded anywhere. A roll-call vote in the House probably would yield a surprisingly favorable margin for passage of either a robust public option OR Medicare for All. (I don't really grasp what, exactly, would be the difference between these two options, but Medicare for All would be the simplest, most cost-effective and straight-forward way to go.)
06:56 PM on 02/28/2010
I think the difference is about 60% of people support the Public Option and probably well over 70% of people would support Medicare For All. That's because the Public Option is an obtuse name that has to be properly explained to people while Medicare For All is self-explanatory.

The facts are on their side, but the Dems really need to learn how to frame the debate.
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VOTER
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02:50 PM on 02/28/2010
I agree.

VOTE NOW!
12:45 PM on 02/28/2010
It would look really bad for the Democrats if they voted on the public option, failed; then voted on the medicare buy in, failed; and then voted on the smaller "reform" and succeeded. They should vote on what they can definitely pass.
01:55 PM on 02/28/2010
Given that strategy, we would never even have seen the outcome of the Jobs vote, eventually 70-28. Make them vote. Make them ALL stand up on every "filibuster" and actually filibuster. Let's see who's actually willing to vote against reforms with %70 or better popular support.

I'm willing to bet we'd see a whole lot of those "too close to call squeakers" turn out with margins like that once they have to put their names on record publicly as being against a SUPERMAJORITY of their constituents.
04:16 PM on 02/28/2010
They had enough votes on the job bill for cloture, so they obviously had enough votes to pass the actual legislation. They have no such guarantee if they just decide to try to pass the public option through reconciliation.
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Rosanneofpgh
some days youre the dog;others the hydrant
12:33 PM on 02/28/2010
I agree with what youre saying, Cenk. I usually do. But instead of the public option, go whole hog and push a vote for universal health care for all. Most polls show that the public wants universal health care but will settle for single payer. I say dont settle; go for broke. Then we'll really know which of our congresscritters want to do whats best for their constituents.
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middleoftheroad
01:20 PM on 03/01/2010
lol...what planet are you on??? You can't even get a Public Option done with a super majority, you think thye have the votes (even from dems) for single payer??/ please.
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rougebaisers
08:44 AM on 02/28/2010
The gutless dem party, I mean really. None of them would have the guts to risk it all by saying no and lying these past 14 months like the repubes. Imagine how bought and paid for and flawed they all are to allow this mess to continue.
03:02 PM on 02/28/2010
Traditional party lines are becoming irrelevant. It's the Money Party vs. the People Party. We all lose in a battle between the evil and the cowardly.
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Tulka2
Solidarity. Courage. Humor.
06:59 PM on 02/28/2010
I shake my head in wonder when i hear tea party types are fearful that Obama is "from Kenya" when he is just as much "from Kansas" and that is a whole lot scarier to me.
07:52 AM on 02/28/2010
A vote will not happen. Barack Obama killed any momentum for a PO when he put out a plan without a PO. It's safe to say that Obama doesn't really want a PO, despite his playacting to the contrary. It's all about keeping the campaign $$ flowing from insurance and pharma.
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rougebaisers
08:44 AM on 02/28/2010
Then let him enjoy the rest of his one term presidency.
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Carl Caroli
Give peace a chance
06:52 AM on 02/28/2010
Vote now! The democrats are using the republicans as an excuse to do nothing, which makes health insurance and pharma industries happy. Enough - let's see who's for what - take the damn vote!