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Cenk Uygur

Cenk Uygur

Posted: December 8, 2010 03:00 PM

The Hidden Cost of Capitulation

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Now that the president has signaled yet another collapse in agreeing to tax cuts for the rich, there is a hidden cost to this capitulation. He is now stuck defending this deal for the rest of his term. I predicted this on the show yesterday and today it's playing out exactly the way I imagined, with the president sending out advisers to talk about what a great idea it is to give tax cuts to the rich.

Once you sign off on a political position, you own it. This could be a corollary to Colin Powell's doctrine on foreign policy. Powell said if you break it, you own it. In this case, if you make it, you own it.

The president claims he will fight hard against these same tax cuts two years from now. It's hard to stop laughing long enough to make a point against that, but I will try. If you are sending out your people to talk up polls about how right the Republicans were on the tax cuts for the rich now, how are you going to send out the same people to talk about how wrong they were - and how wrong you were - two years from now?

These are the things that make me wonder if President Obama has a firm grasp on basic political fundamentals. Yesterday he said that the political reality is that he just didn't have the votes in the Senate (by far his favorite excuse). He even said "I can't win" in the Senate. That's a damning reversal for a man who ran on "Yes we can."

But more importantly, he doesn't seem to understand Politics 101. You don't just count the votes based on how the other side says they're going to vote. From time to time, you call their bluff. Which means you go to the home states of swing senators like Scott Brown in Massachusetts and Olympia Snowe in Maine and you campaign on this winning issue there until you make them feel the political pain. Then you put them to a decision -- do you want to risk your career voting against me on this issue where I have huge popular support or do you want to vote with me? Then you take the vote and they will bend. If he doesn't understand that, boy did we elect the wrong guy.

Of course, the alternative is that he does understand that but doesn't ever have the stomach for a real fight. Or even worse yet, secretly likes this deal and will always find an excuse to get more tax cuts and sweet deals for the rich and powerful. In which case, boy did we elect the wrong guy.

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07:12 PM on 12/09/2010
The President understood how to play hardball with Kucinich, a lefty, during the health care reform debate. Apparently, he can't bring himself to do it with Republicans who are on the fence. "Won't do it".
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02:18 PM on 12/09/2010
We are bankrupt.

There is no "deal" at present that makes it go away.
Simply, Obama and Republican leaders cannot be reached. They don't care.
Call your senators and reps --
We have to urge honest Democrats and honest Republicans to stand against both.
Time to reach across to Tea Party people who at least believe in saving our country.
I am for personal and private funding for people "held hostage" by this atrocity while we prepare for an extended standoff.

It won't go away,
we have no more time.
We have no choice.
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GunnyJ
I do my best every time.
11:10 AM on 12/09/2010
I think the President understands Politics 101 much better than he is given credit for. When is someone going to be original in bashing the President with something worth bashing him about. The President is doing what needs to be done based on the circumstances...period!
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timm0
I'm not top 0.01% - so it must be because I'm lazy
01:45 PM on 12/11/2010
Then you don't understand Politics 101.
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09:27 AM on 12/09/2010
This is the last straw for me as far as Obama goes. In 2012 I'm going to give new meaning to the term "Yellow Dog Democrat," because in this case I would vote for a yellow dog before I'd vote for Obama again.
10:59 AM on 12/09/2010
If a real Democrat runs against Obama in the primary, I'll vote for the real Democrat.

But if Obama is running in the general election against a Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, or Jan Brewer (read the huffpo article about 'Brewercare'), I'll hold my nose and vote for Obama.

The stakes are too high.
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12:46 PM on 12/09/2010
F&F
Moscow Moo. darlin your singing to the chior!!! i am with you 100% i was callin him a low down yalla belli. its the cowboy(cowgirl) drawl that still pops out. hes more messed up than a snake in a lawnmower so glad the dems are giving him a hell no.
09:12 AM on 12/09/2010
Your topic should read:Obama changes his mind! Stood up and fought,showing some guts! This is
what the American people wanted you too do! Well, here is the headlines after January1: Obama doesn't have any compassion, he took his family on vacation for Xmas, while millions of Americans are facing eviction, freezing to death and higher taxes,now there are 4 million Americans not receiving any type of funding! I can just imagine the bloggers: gutless, shameful, if we send money to other countries and we can't help our own! Tar and feather the man!
04:52 AM on 12/11/2010
Number one: the Republicans and right-wingers are going to attack Obama no matter what he does. So, appeasing them and going along with their agenda will never stop that.

Number two: there's no reason for Obama to agree to take ownership of Republican obstruction (e.g. blocking unemployment extensions). They are responsible for their own behavior. Obama's two choices are to either fight them and call them out on it to the American people, or embrace their ideas. Unfortunately, he chose the latter.

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And now we have Obama, who spent two years ignoring Republicans, now deciding to throw in the towel on tax cuts before the opening bell rings. If the president of the United States really believes that he is in such a weak position that he cannot stand up to a party that wants to give tax cuts to millionaires while cutting benefits for unemployed families at Christmastime, I fear not only for the Democratic Party but also for America.

- Joe Scarborough
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1210/46035.html
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08:07 AM on 12/09/2010
Yep, I wasted my vote in 2008, but I will not do it again in 2012. Obama had better watch out for the Democratic Primaries because just about anyone else will have a better shot then he will.
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timm0
I'm not top 0.01% - so it must be because I'm lazy
01:51 PM on 12/11/2010
I have an Obama sign in my garage. I wanted to save it after I had it in my yard because I thought that it would be a great source of pride when looking back at what the man was surely going to achieve.

And now I wish with all my heart for a primary contender in 2012. I will take that person's sign, put it over top of the Obama blue sign, and put it in my yard. Then I will open the wallet and will take the time to make phone calls for the challenger.

Who will it be?!?!
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Helzapoppin
Don't Piss Down My Back And Tell Me It's Raining.
08:01 AM on 12/09/2010
I pledge to fight as hard for Obama's re-election as he has fought for me.
Dean/Feingold 2012
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09:23 AM on 12/09/2010
Fanned. Since he just scr*wed me i guess I can do it back to him.
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03:20 PM on 12/09/2010
LOL! I'm in that club.
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12:47 PM on 12/09/2010
way fanned and way fav'd
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Helzapoppin
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07:56 AM on 12/09/2010
Cenk, you're a beacon of sanity in a country that has completely lost its friggin mind
07:25 AM on 12/09/2010
Yes we can......mmmmmmmmm..........maybe.........maybe not..mm.......no we WON"T!
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Estreet1964
Gimmie the beat boys and free my soul....
02:04 PM on 12/09/2010
What Obama REALLY meant.

Yes We Can = Awww gee, the Senate just won't go for it.

Change = SAME

Changing the way things are done in Washington = Oh, Hi Wall Street, what can I do for you today.
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jeanrenoir
07:14 AM on 12/09/2010
Obama makes Carter seem like Churchill. "Progressives" have learned the validity of "be careful of what you wish for" in spades. Obama has been the greatest gift to Fox and Rush in history. I say this as a former supporter of Obama, of course.
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09:01 AM on 12/09/2010
Carter stood up to criticism and did the right thing for the nation even when it cost him politically. Obama has NOTHING in common with Carter.
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11:25 AM on 12/10/2010
Adding another $800 billion to the deficit for an initiative that will not create jobs and will not stimulate the economy is not the right thing for the nation right now. It's the right thing for those about to lose unemployment benefits, but that quid pro quo should never have been offered. It was simply asking for Republicans to hold the unemployed hostage.
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02:33 PM on 12/09/2010
There is no comparing any president in memory with this cold-blooded man.

It turns out he is fairly good at standing up to liberals. What an obscenity. We can't afford the luxury of keeping him.
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05:45 AM on 12/09/2010
This is all a pre-planned, timed for a panic push through, hold unemployed hostage, trillion dollar theft, period. Last time I looked most of Congress and this president are included in the gift.

That said, when is MSNBC going to give you your own show?
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07:15 AM on 12/09/2010
Cenk would be 50 times better than Rachel.
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09:10 PM on 12/12/2010
Keep Rachel. Cenk would be 100 times better than Chris Matthews.
04:48 AM on 12/09/2010
Barack Obama is a Blue Dog. He is not a progressive who's inept at negotiating, he's a Blue Dog who's adept at scaling back progressive programs before they've been passed and so assuring that, if passed, they're a mere shadow of what most Democrats intended--and America voted for.

Health insurance reform. Wall Street reform. Ending Bush's wars. Ending DADT. Reinstating habeas corpus. New tax rates. How many more examples are necessary to establish the fact that the man is a Blue Dog, watering down important reforms and dragging his feet on everything else?

Obama needs to be replaced on the Democratic ticket in 2012 or our President will be either the Republican nominee or--just as bad for progress--a charming, intelligent, well-educated Blue Dog.

DEAN and GRAYSON in 2012! (Or some ticket very much like that.)
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jeanrenoir
07:19 AM on 12/09/2010
You're leaving one thing out of account: Fox and Rush will help ANY Republican candidate eviscerate a Dean/Grayson ticket. Once "progressives" lost control of thought-control on TV, it was all over. Obama's victory--even after the total disaster on all fronts of Bush, even after Couric and Fey had exposed Caribou Barbie--was still just a fluke. Obama was BEHIND until the fall of Lehmann Bros. Obama's victory was a total fluke. Fox and Rush CONTROL American politics. Everybody knows that the good guys LOST.
02:46 PM on 12/10/2010
I'm certain you attribute way more power to Faux News and its premier college dropout, Mr. Limbaugh, than they actually have, and way more dire consequences than actually arise to their influence over the poorly-educated and badly misinformed Americans who believe whatever they broadcast.

Just because the Good Guys lost ground this November is far from the end of the matter. One battle doesn't decide the outcome of an entire war--as George Washington well knew.
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04:40 AM on 12/09/2010
I agree with what you are saying Cenk, however, the tax issue, should have been dealt with long ago by the Congress, but they did'nt, then there was the election in Nov, which left the Dems out in the cold, people did not vote for them, that left the POTUS in a position of weakness, you could argue that he was never in a strong postion, and while that may be true, he is in an even weaker one now, I think he tried to get the best deal he could, and while I think giving the already mega rich more tax breaks is immoral, its a bitter pill he has had to swallow in order to let those people who are having a hard time at the moment some money, and that could have been avoided if it had been dealt with earlier, is it a good deal, well that remains to be seen, and if Dems and their voters do not turn out to vote, then what exactly do they expect, a bit of this "stirring up the base" sounds like a good idea to me.
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02:49 AM on 12/09/2010
...I don't usually follow Cenk Uygur, but in this case he is so very right, I'm considering following him!

GOOD article, Mr. Uygur, I agree with you and like your articulation of the issue here.
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jeanrenoir
07:20 AM on 12/09/2010
Everybody with any brains should follow Mr. Uygur. Too bad that leaves the other 95% who are dittoheads controlling all our national elections.
02:36 AM on 12/09/2010
I can remember when he said he couldn't bring change without our help. He couldn't do it alone, he said. Has he asked for OUR help? NO. He now believes that whatever changes that he can muster must be through the REPUBLICAN PARTY? huh?
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indc
07:42 AM on 12/09/2010
bait and switch