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The Problem With Elena Kagan Is Barack Obama

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I have no idea what kind of Justice Elena Kagan is going to be, and almost no one else does either. She might be a terrific progressive or she might move the Court to the right, as some fear. My problem with her isn't her stated positions, as she doesn't have very many.

My problem with her is my problem with Obama. Cheney and Bush moved the ball 80 yards down-field, whether that was on executive power, warrantless wiretapping, pre-emptive wars or just about any other issue you can think of. And Obama's bold and brilliant response is to move the ball 10 yards in the opposite direction. Not good enough. Not remotely good enough.

His every action drips of conciliation, compromise, gradualism and incrementalism. The conservatives take miles of ideologically territory and convert it into the status quo. Then Obama brags about converting inches back. This isn't change we can believe in. This is pocket change.

So, when conservatives yelled at him about trying Gitmo detainees in civilian courts, his instinct was to back down. When they yelled at him for giving detainees Miranda rights, he is now on the verge of backing down. When they yelled at him about foreign wars, he escalated them. When they yelled at him about the $50 billion "bailout" fund in the financial reform bill, he asked to take it out. When they yelled at him about offshore oil drilling, he gave them more. How did that turn out?

Did you know that after Joe Wilson yelled out "You lie!" on the issue of how immigrants would be treated in the healthcare bill, they quietly gave into him and changed that provision? Is there anything that this guy can't get bullied on? Well, of course, there is. Everything from the left.

So, that brings us to Elena Kagan. Bush picked arguably the two most conservative judges in the country to fill his Supreme Court vacancies. He easily shoved it down the throat of the Democrats. What has been Obama's response - let me pick a centrist!

He can't help himself. He loves establishment players. Look at nearly all of his appointments. Rahm Emanuel, Tim Geithner, Ben Bernanke. These are the pillars of the establishment. What kind of change is this? He nominated for the head of the Fed the same exact guy who helped destroy our economy for George W. Bush. He can't help himself. He is a politician through and through, and he desperately wants the approval of those around him. And those around him now are the power players in Washington.

So, we get the blank slate of Elena Kagan, with almost no record to speak of, except her affinity for executive power. Joy. Could she turn into a lion of progressivism? Sure. But why do we have to hope against hope on that? Why can't we get a progressive Justice if we elected a progressive president? Because the ugly truth is that we didn't elect a progressive president.

Obama (and Rahm Emanuel) are going to love it if progressives attack Kagan. They will brandish that as a signal that they are soooo centrist. They will crow to their Washington reporter friends that they are being attacked from the left and brag about how much credibility that gives them. And when they win this nomination (non)fight, they will declare victory again, as if they accomplished some major objective. No one loves beating up progressives and winning easy battles in DC more than this administration.

My guess is that at some future date this article will be misinterpreted to say that I argued against Elena Kagan. Except for executive power (where I am as progressive as anyone in the country), I am a judicial moderate. Kagan might wind up being exactly my kind of justice. And so far, Sonia Sotomayor has been great - and Obama picked her (which some will argue is evidence to "trust" him again). My point isn't that Kagan is terrible or can't do the job. My point isn't that Obama secretly wants to pick a conservative (or a progressive, as his defenders would claim). My point is that Obama has no intention of burning up political capital (according to his perception) by publicly standing up and fighting for for his own so-called side and will defer to the center or right-wing given any opportunity to do so. And this is another example of that.

Elena Kagan - safe, no record, never challenged power in any meaningful way, never stood up for progressive ideology, beloved by the establishment in Washington - the perfect Obama candidate. I'm tired of it. The ball is down against our own goal line and the guy thinks he just scored a touchdown.

He is never going to throw the ball down the field. If you like two yard pick-ups by a running-back going straight up the middle, you'll love Obama. It's the Eddie George presidency. What he doesn't seem to get is that the other side is eventually going to get the ball back and then it won't seem like a major accomplishment that we went from our own two-yard line to our own twelve-yard line. It'll be viewed as a tremendous disappointment.

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zull2
I'm not as here as you think I am?
10:31 PM on 05/18/2010
Seems strange that Obama isn't right in line with you. Cenk, you used to explain quite often on your web show and radio show that you are a moderate...and a whole heaping helping of what the Pres has done so far has been right in line with a lot of the things most middle of the road moderates would like. Does this mean that you've finally jumped back to the good side?

No Republican, not 30 years ago, would even bring up Health Care reform. And certainly not Wall Street reform. Probably not cap and trade. I'm sure they wouldn't even consider card check. The Republicans have been way over there in the pockets of the wealthy for a LONG time. They've just been a whole lot less discreet about it over the past 10 years. Obama's pretty much in the middle. He gives you all of the above, but with water and a little less substance. My guess is that, deep down, those of us who identify ourselves as Democrats or Dem leaning Independents and are very politically aware are really pretty seriously liberal deep down.
11:40 AM on 05/18/2010
I predicted a female minority Catholic and thats what we got with Sotomayor.
Her gender and ethnicity kept the focus away from the fact she was Catholic.
Then I predicted the next would be Jewish and likely female as well for the same reasons.
And thats what we got.
And thats why you are reading this ridiculous lesbian angle, so it gets women and the liberals to rally around the pick they want.

Pick a black woman from New Orleans.
This is not about race or even about religion.
Its about America being made up of 25% Catholics and 2% Jews and yet there being 100% representation for Roman Catholics/ Jews. And Catholics are supposed to see the Pope as the word of God, which is why the first Chief Justice John Jay made it a State Law in New York that Catholics would have to take special oaths that put America before Rome.

Now we look back at that and say all our forefathers were a bunch of bigots and anti-Catholics.
No, this is an issue and we are just too damn politically correct today to even broach the subject.
11:39 AM on 05/18/2010
@TheWorldBlowsUpTommorow:
No. Kagan is not an excellent choice.
She alongside with Sotomayor makes it official, the Supreme Court is now entirely made up of Roman Catholics and Jews.

I know this makes me sound like a biggot, but you people want to pretend like there is diversity in the court because 1 Roman Catholic is black, 1 Roman Catholic is Hispanic, 1 Roman Catholic is Italian... they are all still Catholic.

Sure there are minorities on the bench.... but they are all Catholic/Jewish.
Sure we have 3 women on the Court but they are also Catholic/Jewish
i.e. there is no real diversity, only the illusion of it.

I dont see a diverse Court.
I see a Holy Roman Court.
I see 4 Opus Dei members pretending not to be Opus Dei.
I see 2 that are Jesuit educated.
I see 3 Jewish members from Roman-converso families that are either married to Jesuit Professors or Jesuit awarded from these Roman Catholic Universities and members of the Belizean Grove.

I see the Holy Roman Empire alive and well and in full control and the driving force behind the Imperial nature of the American Empire.
America better gets its act together and fast.
07:12 AM on 05/16/2010
This article is shortsighted. Kagan is an excellent choice as far as compromise and she, alongside Sotomayor, will likely vote for the left. Much ado about nothing, Cenk. Tim Geithner has fantastic knowledge of government and economy. I don't remember him being the architect of Bush's system, but I do know him to be a protege. Obama's political strategy is his own. He never purported that he wouldn't seek compromise. That seems to be the cornerstone of his ideology, and I for one see little wrong with it. He has pushed through some policy that I agree with.

The funniest thing is that the left wingers think Obama is too right wing and the right winger think Obama is increasingly becoming the epitome of "liberal fascism". They said he was Hitler!
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03:01 AM on 05/15/2010
no i am making a case against a racist country.when whites were in the majority and whoever they picked between to white men would always win..whites felt warm and secure in their comforting racism. now as the minority population grows and if they vote 90 percent for a minority and a minority can actually win, the racism is activated and nothing obama can do will make the racists shut up...even if he paved the streets with gold and gave us all a million dollar mansion and 100,000 dollars a month to live on.if the GOP had picked anybody besides mccain and palin, obama would have lost. there is no logical reason that the GOP should want anything different than what the Democrats want for the american people. both partys should want the best for the american people. but the GOP wants to keep minoritys down and the Dems want to expand things so everyone has an equal chance to succeed and the war goes on.then you've got the teabagger and sarah palin crazys on the fringe and the confederate states of america and the civil war revisionists still fighting the civil war.while this meelee goes on..the robber barons and bankers are ripping the guts out of the american economy.
12:11 AM on 05/13/2010
i totally agree with cenk...also there is a audio clip that you should use on tyt, its from dylan moran and all it is is:(shouts)AND THEN THE CAGE COMES DOWN!"...it would go well with RELEASE THE KRAKEN :P
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01:12 PM on 05/12/2010
Thank you! I'm sick of watching Obama "prove" over and over again how centrist and moderate and so-very-not-left-wing he is. I knew when I voted for him that he wasn't a progressive or a liberal, but his campaign lies made me believe that he could be persuaded to support progressive causes. Instead, in the proud tradition of spineless Senate Democrats, he always starts compromising before he even starts negotiating-- giving a mile before daring to take an inch.
06:49 AM on 05/16/2010
Lies?

He's kept most of his promises. If you didn't KNOW WHAT THOSE WERE, them maybe it's your fault? He likes to compromise. Don't like it? Vote for McCain--maybe you'd like his Supreme Court choice better.
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11:48 AM on 05/16/2010
Yes, lies. Obama promised to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," and instead he's dragged his feet on it. He promised to end the illegal war on Iraq, and there's talk of a "draw-down," but no actual end. He promised to end indefinite imprisonment without charge; instead, he embraced it. He promised to end torture; that simply hasn't happened. He promised to work for health care reform, and instead we got an industry-friendly bill that locks us into the status quo with a few cosmetic changes. He promised to work for a climate/energy policy that would reduce greenhouse gas emissions; instead, he's pushing for more and more offshore oil drilling.

And, no, I don't like the fact that he'd rather compromise than work to pass bills that would actually accomplish what they set out to do. In the last couple of years, the term "bipartisan" has become code for "weak and ineffective" legislation. The Republicans automatically vote against anything Obama is in favor of, yet he keeps pursuing "bipartisanship" like some nonexistent Holy Grail.

I'm not sure what you mean by "vote for McCain," since it's too late to vote for him in the 2008 election. I wouldn't have voted for McCain anyway, but that taunt sounds suspiciously like the "go to Russia" rejoinder to liberals who dare to criticize the status quo. I voted for Obama the way I usually vote for Democrats: as the lesser of two evils.
01:08 PM on 05/12/2010
What Obama doesn't seem to foresee is how galvanized the right is going to be in the mid-terms and during his re-election. The base that turned out to elect him just won't show up at the polls due to his consistent track record of being too conciliatory. I've often told my colleagues that you can't be both President and Heathcliff Huxtable. You've got to have a little Don King in your DNA.
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11:22 AM on 05/12/2010
Couldn't agree more and well-said. "It'll be viewed as a tremendous disappointment," and I would add that is IS viewed as a tremendous disappointment. If no one was looking, the slow incremental approach would be fine. But the whole world is watching and where you stand is a BIG part of it. I hate the constant triangulation; I always feel betrayed. It's like he's FOR nothing; all avoidance of something worse instead of the pursuit of something good. It sucks. I feel like the abused victim of child abuse (under Bush) who's been passed along to a negligent foster parent (Obama). Oh great!
11:31 AM on 05/12/2010
You are kidding, right? Incrementalism is what brought about most of the great progressive policy victories of the 20th century. I know you'd like a big splashy display and I would too, but I'd love to know how you'd make that happen. We progressives do not constitute a majority, it's stupid to think our candidates would govern as though we do.
08:44 PM on 05/12/2010
Poll after poll after poll (including all the major news organizations) indicated that Americans wanted a strong 'public option' included in health-care reform by majorities ranging from 59% to over 70%. The main reason that public support for the actual bill kept falling is because it did NOT include such a provision. The votes were available in the House to pass the public option (they already had done so once). The votes were available in the Senate to pass it during reconciliation - and Dick Durbin had agreed to 'whip aggressively' to do so if the House sent it to them in the reconciliation package.

So for at least this PARTICULAR progressive issue we DID have a strong majority in the country, and sufficient support in Congress. Please explain again just why it's so 'stupid' to think that it would have been passed, and why Obama worked so hard behind the scenes to ensure that it wasn't.

We weren't passed from an abuser to a negligent custodian: we were just passed from one abuser to another more personable one. Some of us think that the latter is actually more dangerous, because he can hide the abuse more convincingly (you yourself providing a prime example of that ability).
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06:12 AM on 05/12/2010
Left w i n g idea logues no better than right w i n g idealogues when it comes to whining
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jcwtts1
Elections have consequences
08:12 AM on 05/12/2010
I have never seen anything like it.
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jcwtts1
Elections have consequences
02:08 AM on 05/12/2010
The Bush Cheney grab wasn't a 2 year thing it was a 40 year thing.

In 1 year Obama has gotten us 10 yards. By your on metric an 8 year term yields 80 yards back. You are crying because the President didn't win every 40 year old fight in a week? Grow up Cenk. The problem with progressives is that they have the appetites of a shark and the political skill set of goldfish. Every inch of ground is being defended. Every yard we gain is against the weight of the world.

Worst economy since the great depression, two wars that have lasted longer than WWII and WWI combined. 30 years of the insanely weak job creation and infrastructure policy finally coming home to roost. The shift from a heavy manufacturing economy to an agricultural light manufacturing service economy finally reaching a crescendo. And you have the stones to cry about the ten yards he got us back from the abyss.

Let me ask you this Cenk, name someone who did it better? Tell me someone who has gotten more than the ten yards the President got in 1 fing year! Tell me one gd way to get 60 votes on any initiative you really want and I'll quit my job and come work for your campaign for President. Because if you know how to actually do it better instead of crying about it more, you should be President. Open season on the President is over.
04:43 AM on 05/12/2010
Bush did FAR 'better': while Obama has largely just continued the Bush policies for the past 16 months, as soon as Bush got the chance (he had to wait for 9/11, whereas Obama entered office with a strong mandate for 'change') within 16 months he had set Constitutional rights back about 50 years (to the McCarthy era), invaded Afghanistan, was about to invade Iraq despite world-wide (and significant internal) opposition, and had the Democratic party bound and gagged in their Congressional seats.

And that was with nothing like the Congressional majorities that Obama enjoys.

That's why we're so disgusted with seeing Obama fritter away the mandate that he had to reverse course (or deliberately discard it, depending on one's opinion of why this happened).

Since you asked.
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simplify
06:10 AM on 05/12/2010
Bill you are not entitled to your own facts
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jcwtts1
Elections have consequences
08:10 AM on 05/12/2010
Let me stop you before you rewrite history. Dems voted overwhelmingly to invade Iraq. It was bushes fault because he lied about intelligence but we were complicit we were in charge of the senate for 4 of bushes 8 years. Remember? Imagine the GOP in charge of Obama's senate. Further, Bush accomplished nothing. We are winding down the war in Iraq. We are finally fighting the war against the nation that harbored the people who attacked us. We have repaired our standing in the world, which bush squandered. You say bush accomplished more than Obama in an analogous time. I say the dems behaved like a political party and compromised on issues we had reservations about and that Bush did NOT accomplish more. In another 3 years every major Bush initiative will be dead. and gone. While health care, the stim bill, the reset on the war or drugs, energy and climate, immigration, DADT repeal, Education reform, START, and a host of other things will endure for decades.Finally, the largest mandate any President has received since WWII started was 9.11. Bush could have used that moment to push the conservative agenda he pushed war instead. Which is why we have this chance. Have the presidents back. Give him the first term and watch us rack up win after win. You call it incremental I call it long term strategy.
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10:45 PM on 05/11/2010
i think you missed one enormous point, cenk: we elected obama to be our president, not to be our dictator. he still must work with congress, even if congress does not want to work with him. he has an obstructionist minority to deal with and a very vocal opposition. he does not have the luxury to simply rule by decree.
08:23 PM on 05/11/2010
This is Obama 1.0, with any luck in 2010, as with all upgrades, Obama 2.0 will be better maybe even unfettered, unbridled, non-dithering and progressive.
08:48 PM on 05/11/2010
And I might get rich, grow my hair back and get a movie deal. I might even win the lottery. Why would he be any more progressive after losing some seats in 2010. This fantasy. He had the largest majorities in both levels of congress and still watered down the legislation before it passed. They had three house bills on healthcare and one senate bill, all of them very robust with a public option that was popular with the country. Obama chose to have the bill he was going to support come through Mad Max Baccus's committee. Obama was mad at Reid when he added the Public Option into the bill. Obama was the moderate Repub that we changed the bill for their support.
09:50 PM on 05/11/2010
It isn't about Obama. It is about the institutions that produced him. Nothing is going to change unless the Dems are threatened with the loss of support. If Obama doesn't drastically change before the next election, I hope a lot of courageous voters will vote third party.
06:44 PM on 05/11/2010
You summed up exactly how progressive Democrats feel; he is far too accommodating to the far right and fence-sitting centrists. We did not elect him to do that. We wanted a liberal with a capital "L" who would close Gitmo within the first month, put the breaks on offshore drilling and ramp up green energy, ensure that our Constitution would never be broken via wiretapping and perusing through what we checked out at the library; an end to senseless wars abroad. We envisioned a President who brought back "Made in the USA" not China, and food labeling so we aren't fed cloned beef. Oh the things we were promised...and he now he's into "compromise." They aren't the same thing at all. And if he loses his base, he will lose traction. I just hope he is paying attention to the fact that Progressive Democrats are only going to tolerate this nonsense for so long.
07:34 PM on 05/11/2010
Agreed ... I for one have stopped all donations to the democrats ... I will vote but count me out for any enthusiasm ... I understood during the campaign that Obama was left-of-center but thought he would correct many of the abuses of the prior administration ... it is very disappointing to see him backtrack and cave in on so many issues ... now I consider him right-of-center and not a very strong leader at all ... considering all the s**t he gets from the rethugs no matter what he does, one would think he would make bold moves instead of the "inches" ...
08:05 AM on 05/13/2010
He should have put forth Diane Wood, progressive liberal not centrist Elena Kagan; the continual attempts to go down the center of the court were NOT what we put him in office to do.
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07:45 PM on 05/11/2010
The Economic Crisis changed the timeline on everything especially promises.

Close Gitmo within the first month...actually close it, you have got to be kidding me? I don't think that was the promise he made. He took action on Gitmo right away, there has been successes but
Gitmo is in limbo do to Congress not Obama.
Obama does not write legislation he signs it in to law. You want to bash someone them bash the Congress and the Senate they are the ones holding up any progress this President has tried to make.

Is there not legislation for green energy, I think so, although Sen. Graham (R) has decided to withhold his support for the Climate bill if Immigration Reform moves forward.

I'm not sure your comment about "perusing through what we checked out at the library" and " so we aren't fed cloned beef" is worth commenting on.

Lack of progress and solutions can be attributed to lack of support, cooperation and compromise from the opposition, if you can't see that then there is nothing more to talk about. The comment "tolerate this nonsense" is how you would describe his Presidency?

Can you tell me which of his promises has he failed to address in this his first 16 months? Do you think changing ones position on an issue is always a sign of weakness?
09:22 PM on 05/11/2010
Yawn - yet another blind apologist. But you asked a question, and I'll answer it even if you're not really listening:

Obama campaigned very specifically for health-care reform that included a robust public option, reduction of drug prices via reimportation, and no mandates - plus, of course, 'transparency' and "an end to business-as-usual in D.C." He dealt away the first two in back-room discussions with industry, refused to work with Congress until all three positions had been reversed in the proposed legislation, and when the public option reappeared at the end acted to squash it. So he did not merely 'fail to address' these promises: he worked actively to subvert them. This is not mere incompetence: it is overt treachery.

He put foxes in charge of the financial hen-house and placed no pressure on them for real reform there. The ACLU gave him a 33% success rate for even TRYING to carry through on reversing the erosion of civil liberties under Bush. Just for starters (given the 250-word limit here).
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10:50 PM on 05/11/2010
You're right and they fail to see the mess this country has gotten to be took 8 years to get this way. Now they want some magical instant satisfaction from a guy who is working his tail off while he gets bashed by the people he's working so hard for.I do feel it's true that many of the people do not understand the role the presidents office plays. They expect him to mandate law like Bush attempted to do but instead, when he stays in his classification as chief executive, more bashing ensues.
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06:05 PM on 05/11/2010
The POTUS is not backing down on Miranda. There has been no proposal, but what I hear him saying is there is this exception on safety we have used, but we need to use it based on some established rules. This seems rational to me.