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Chez Pazienza

Chez Pazienza

Posted: November 11, 2010 10:48 AM

A Fox on Both Your Houses?

What's Your Reaction:

So this is kind of entertaining.

Last night I got an e-mail that was cc'd to about 50 or so indiscriminate addresses; it seemed to be trying to find its way into the hands of, among others, Glenn Beck, Rachel Maddow, Matt Drudge, Eric Boehlert of Media Matters, O'Reilly's little Renfield-like producer Jesse Watters, Dana Milbank at the Post, and, yes, Keith Olbermann. What it contained was a link to a blog post currently running over at Newsbusters -- the right-wing media watchdog site created by professional uptight pencil-neck Brent Bozell -- which claimed that a Huffington Post contributor had inadvertently pulled back the curtain on MSNBC's prime time operation and admitted the ugly truth about it.

Can you figure out where this is going?

Yeah -- that Huffington Post contributor was me.

The post was written by Jack Coleman, whom I've never met and who may be a decent-enough guy for all I know, and it essentially used one line from the piece I put together on Olbermann's suspension last week to make a point I guess he felt needed to be made -- one which, not surprisingly, confirms what I have to assume are his own firmly-held biases.

Here's what he wrote:

"Wow, how'd that one slip through?

Writing about Keith Olbermann's 'indefinite suspension'/extended weekend away from MSNBC, Huffington Post blogger Chez Pazienza provided a rare moment of illumination at the left-wing site when he wrote this in a post titled 'Playing for Keith' --

'NBC's dilemma has always been how to draw the line between the outspoken free-for-all on MS and the supposedly dignified proceedings at NBC News proper. Maybe this will be the event that finally forces the NBC suits to fess up and admit what everybody already knows: MSNBC prime time isn't a news block; it's opinion. (emphasis added) And there's nothing really wrong with that.'"

Coleman goes on to make the claim -- and I feel like he really has to reach for it -- that the above quote somehow refutes Rachel Maddow's entire argument that MSNBC is, at its core, a news operation which traffics in facts (as opposed to Fox News, which she says is almost strictly a tool for partisan propaganda). Apparently, my willingness to state pretty categorically that MSNBC's prime time eschews traditional objective newscasting in favor of editorializing -- and that this fact should be fairly obvious to anyone with a set of ears and two brain cells to rub together -- makes me akin to Joshua's trumpet, bringing down the walls of Jericho.

This of course is horseshit.

I won't dare say I was misquoted or that my comment was taken out of context because each of those is a tired conceit, but thankfully I don't really have to bother going that route; any idiot can see the point I was making. Just because something or someone works largely in the realm of opinion doesn't mean that the opinions being expressed aren't based on actual facts. Maddow's argument in response to Olbermann's suspension was a good one -- that the system of checks and balances in place at NBC News was designed to ensure that those who worked for the network adhered to the highest journalistic standards. Yes, a new generation and a new paradigm now bends and even breaks those rules -- and that's a very good thing -- but the fact that they exist at all proves that NBC ostensibly gives a crap about being fair. I have no doubt that Fox News also has some set of standards in place, and that perhaps at one time it even mattered. But if the network brass used to be able to make the argument that, yes, Fox's prime time could occasionally be an editorial Thunderdome but its daytime programming was always straight down the middle -- "fair and balanced," as it were -- that time has long since passed; Fox's blatant and oppressive partisan bias infects so much of what it does on a daily, hourly basis that it's simply impossible to take seriously as a responsible news network anymore.

While Keith Olbermann managed to get himself in trouble for making private campaign contributions to a couple of political candidates he happens to agree with -- Fox News employs as contributors and gives a public forum day after day after day to the political candidates and prospective political candidates it happens to agree with. It not only funds the campaigns of those running for office under the Republican and Tea Party banner (to say nothing of helping to foment the Tea Party movement by promoting and sponsoring its rallies); it reaps a financial reward of its own -- via ratings-based ad revenue -- from putting these people on the air, creating an Ouroboros in which politics and the media are interchangeable head and tail.

MSNBC is a news operation that features a well-defined block of advocacy and opinion, which means that news is still at the core of what it does.

Fox is a non-stop engine of advocacy and opinion that occasionally sprinkles in some actual news, which means that bias is always at the core of what it does.

Both have their share of booming partisan voices, but there is a damn huge difference.

 

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06:55 PM on 11/19/2010
One man's MSNBC is another one's Fox News.
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ebanks84
Grandma knows best!
12:39 PM on 11/16/2010
Anybody with half a brain knows that's a fact jack. Only the ratings freaks and lie-loving lemmings are Fox constituents and just don't know any better to expect better. I feel so sorry for those people and hope one day they will eventually wake up and see the light. If not, they will be doomed in the land of lies forever.
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Hokierama
Correct 98.6% of the time
06:21 AM on 11/16/2010
Wrong...I've watched both and they are both the same with a sprinkling of news with some really over the top spin-meisters (Olbermann, Beck, Schultz, Hannity and Maddow) that do nothing but repeat talking points.
01:05 AM on 11/16/2010
I agree with you completely. To equate MSNBC's left-wing opinion pieces, and FOX's right-wing propaganda is another thoughtless equivalence. Rachel Maddow in particular challenges many assumptions and statements of purported fact by doing her factual homework to show how false or misleading they are. Most other "newscasters" -- CNN's supposedly neutral Wolff Blitzer comes to mind -- simply recirculate the same tired ideas without scrutiny, but with the benefit (very clear during the Bush Administration) of never making an enemy of political guests in high places, with the result that a supposed "news" program facilitated Republican policy that got us into war by false representation, and into an economic rut that nearly brought the country down. Give me an honest "opinion" program that's factually based, over the fake neutrality of another robot (usually male) in a grey suit, with a humorless presentation and stereotypical serious expression as an I.Q. booster , offering no real insight into significant events -- only the pretense of unbiased news reporting.
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FilthyHarry
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11:14 AM on 11/15/2010
I think the disconnect is that both Fox and MSNBC are large things that can have more than one comparison made about them. For example MSNBC is a 24 hour cable news channel. FOX is organization committed to pushing a specific agenda and is happy to distort, twist or outright lie to push that agenda. Clearly there is no comparison on that score. However you can say they are comparable in that they are both part of the generally crappy mainstream "journalism" that isn't serving journalism's intended purpose.
12:15 PM on 11/14/2010
MSNBC is obsessed with Fox News. That's all its "personalities" talk about. It's time for MSNBC to concentrate on the issues facing the American people and lose the chip on its shoulder.
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Randolph Greer
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08:37 AM on 11/14/2010
Now here is a man who knows the difference between Fox and MSNBC . Chez states it very clearly in this column . I hope everyone reads it , including Rachel Maddow . I love Rachel's show , but Chez is more accurate than she is about MSNBC . I happen to love MSNBC . They are what I call "A PROGRESSIVE NEWS NETWORK . With the emphasis on PROGRESSIVE . Now , there is nothing at all wrong with that . In fact , this is the way I like to get my news . As long as MSNBC continues to be accurate and TRUTHFUL in their reporting of the news , then I will be very ,very happy . I want Keith , and Rachel , and Larry , and Ed and everyone else on there to be as explosive in their opinions as they can be . In fact , they need to be this way . The people demand it . And as long as their corporation "permits" their candor and opinion I will continue to watch it . I still watch Democracy Now , but I really love people with "FIRE IN THEIR BELLY."
Olberman was one of the best sports reporters on ESPN . He has become an indispensible part of America's hope for the future . Even now , I am not quite sure whether others really understand how important he is . If we avoid a violent revbolution . Thank Keith.
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08:38 AM on 11/13/2010
Don't the people at Fox realize that every time they make this argument, they are admitting that they are not a fair and balanced organization? The "they're just as bad as us" bit just reveals the hypocrisy of calling what they do 24/7 news. Of course the five hours of opinion on MSNBC is skewed. So? They're commentators. They're SUPPOSED to have opinions. But the rest of the day is news, except for the hard swing to the right with the deplorable Morning Joe. Face it, Foxies, you can't have it both ways.
08:12 AM on 11/13/2010
I'm not sure viewers would agree with you.  After the election, Pew Foundation did a survey.  Viewers reported greater sense of news about the candidates being skewed in favor of one candidate, Obama, from MSN and other news channels and more even-handed coverage from Fox.  Then Pew Foundation did a content analysis.  Guess what.  The viewers were correct.
 
The coverage from the "news" segments was heavily skewed to criticism of McCain and positive stories about Obama.
 
Don't take my word for it.  Check it out for yourself.
01:55 PM on 11/14/2010
And the Pew foundation is a middle of the road reporting entity? Founded by an ultra conservative and enriched by plundering the Barnes art collection. Not exactly "middle of the road". More realistically just another example of rethug rich folks playing the system to their own benefit
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
09:09 PM on 11/14/2010
McCain deserved the negative coverage, ever think of that?
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08:08 AM on 11/13/2010
I commend you for so thoroughly building your life so well insulated within a rationalization. It must be quite comfortable and certainly is healthier than alcohol or opiates.
01:41 AM on 11/13/2010
I used to watch MSNBC, CNN and Fox News. Those were the days...right !!

Not anymore.

Fox News is too far out there now...for me. I cannot believe I ever watched it.
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CommodoreP
Darn the torpedos, full speed ahead!
07:54 PM on 11/12/2010
Fox used to hide behind that 'our opinion is seperate from news' crap but as the Daily Show has most adroitly pointed out, you can actually see that the 'news' reported on is generally created from the opinion shows on their network.

ie: Crazy GOP says Obama trip costs a gazillion dollars a day. No fact checking by the 'news' part just running with story acting like it is confirmed as it came from crazy GOP. It is self fulfilling news. In other words, they just make it up as they go. Where are their gazzillions of reporters like Rueters? They don't need them. They're not a news agency, they are a 'Drudge Report' which chooses what to make-up OR report that fits in with their paradigm.
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08:09 AM on 11/13/2010
It doesn't take an eighth grade education to discriminate between opinion and fact.
01:57 PM on 11/14/2010
Since a lot of Americans read at a fifth grade level then the FN model works quite well
lasagnalover
The only true diversity, is diversity of thought
10:27 AM on 11/14/2010
May i remind you of Dan Rather's 'fake' letter about GW Bush's record in the military that all of the news media outlets ran with, including MSNBC. Or more currently, the NYTimes story that had McCain having an affair with an aide, also covered by MSNBC. At the same time of BOTH stories, John Edwards had a baby with one of his aides, broken by the National Enquirer. So i guess the question YOU have to ask YOURSELF is, 'Where was the fact-checking' then?
01:57 PM on 11/14/2010
You really want to get in a contest about who has run more deceptions on the American people?
Genders
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09:11 PM on 11/14/2010
The planted fake letter to topple Rather? The contents of the letter were correct.
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Tulka2
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04:06 PM on 11/12/2010
Jon Stewart said he is more interested in the "corruption" of media, but he didn't say what that might be.  Here is the corruption charge that can be laid at the feet of all cable and broadcast channels:

Television and print media are all profiting hugely in the current political system.  The news anchors and pundits are corrupt because they do not bring that news to the people.  There is a profound conflict of interest.  Most of the campaign money donated goes straight into the pockets of mass media.  This is the very definition of corrupt. 

They pretend to bring us news and issues of the day, but only the ones who allow Michael Moore on occasionally have leg to stand on as far as even pretending to explain who has a stake in maintaining the status quo.
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Aesops
09:27 PM on 11/12/2010
Bingo. Jon didn't elaborate on the corruption narrative and, tellingly, Maddow wasn't really interested in going down that road. There is a reason for that - it serves no one's interest in the news, political, or corporate sphere. Oh sure we'll get the "one bad senator" corruption news, but the systemic corruption and conflicts of interest - does anyone really want to risk their jobs for that story?

People need to understand one fact about the mainstream press. They don't "investigate" anything anymore. Instead they have "sources" in areas of power (ie Pentagon, White House, Wall Street) that will provide them instant, exclusive information (of their choosing) to enable the reporter a steady stream of information for public consumption. There is no time or budget for investigation as 24 hour news demands information immediacy. The result is a loose propaganda system that serves insiders and the most powerful interests. To go against those interests is to lose access, and your career. Period.
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Tulka2
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12:17 AM on 11/13/2010
Fan # 22.

"Politicians are weather vanes.  They only turn the way the wind blows.  We have to stir up some wind out here."- the street

Solidarity.  Courage.
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lgillooly
12:32 PM on 11/12/2010
They love to equate these cable stations, but it is more like equating the damage done by Hurricane Katrina and an afternoon thunder storm. Both have weather and water, but the difference is HUGE.
11:35 AM on 11/12/2010
The scary thing is trying to point this out to anyone that is at the point where they watch FOX and ONLY watch FOX. They're convinced that FOX is the only network telling them the truth and thus fall hook line and sinker for every piece of propaganda that it tells them to think. Their myth of the "Liberal Media" is the Emmanuel Goldstein of our day.