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Chez Pazienza

Posted: September 28, 2010 01:10 PM

What I'm about to say won't exactly firm up my street cred with the liberal side of the blogosphere, and it stands against the opinions of quite a few people I respect greatly, but it's not like I've let myself dwell on that kind of thing in the past.

There's a whole lot of righteous indignation being voiced at the moment -- just about all of it coming from the left -- over a standing capture or kill order the military has issued against American-born Yemeni cleric Anwar al-Aulaqi. For those who haven't been following along, al-Aulaqi has risen quickly through the ranks of al Qaeda to become one of its strongest voices in the Arabian Peninsula and around the world, the latter due to his willingness to embrace the internet as a promotional and recruiting tool. He's been linked to several terrorist plots inside the United States, including the Fort Hood shootings (he had been in direct contact with gunman Nidal Hasan) and the failed "underwear bombing" of Northwest Airlines Flight 253 into Detroit last Christmas (al-Aulaqi admits to training the bomber). All in all, an impressive set of anti-Western credentials for a guy who was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico.

For months now, U.S. troops have been told that they're to capture or kill al-Aulaqi on sight -- but only over the past few days has the angry reaction to this standing order really ramped up. That's because al-Aulaqi's father recently enlisted the help of the ACLU and the Center for Constitutional Rights and filed a lawsuit demanding to see the evidence the government has against his son -- the reason it would ostensibly want to see him dead. The Department of Justice's response to this was admittedly sure to raise a few eyebrows: Over the weekend, it invoked the "state secrets" privilege, arguing that the courts should disregard the lawsuit because the U.S. government has every right during a time of war to engage in operations against terrorists without publicly disclosing the details of those operations.

There are two diametrically opposed ways of looking at what the government is essentially doing. One is that the U.S. is exercising its authority to hunt down individuals who attempt to kill American citizens and will simply refuse to release information that might damage those missions before they're completed; the other is that the White House has taken out a hit on an American citizen and is invoking presidential privilege to keep anyone from knowing exactly why.

Should I even bother telling you which one of these Salon's Glenn Greenwald has latched onto with both hands?

A couple of days ago, Greenwald wrote a piece on this subject that was painfully histrionic in its Obama-bashing, even by the writer's impressive standards. It began as follows: "At this point, I didn't believe it was possible, but the Obama administration has just reached an all-new low in its abysmal civil liberties record."

That one line pretty much summed up not only what the rest of the piece was going to read like, but, obviously, the antagonistic perspective Greenwald approaches the White House from in general these days -- and come to think of it, has for months now, ever since he realized that Obama wasn't going to deliver the Great Progressive Utopia the left had dreamed about, all in a big pretty bow, directly to his doorstep. For the record, I like Greenwald overall and believe that he regularly makes some excellent points, but the petulant tantrums he throws over Obama's unwillingness to fall lockstep in line with the liberal fantasy presidency he and so many on the left fooled themselves into believing was coming are just exhausting by now. One more time for the cheap seats: Obama was a Democratic centrist from day one. He never promised to be anything else. He's been incredibly progressive on some issues; he's been relatively conservative, even very conservative, on others. What he's not is Kim Jong Il or Fidel Castro, which means that any statement about his supposed "abysmal civil liberties record" makes the person saying it look like nothing more than a drama queen.

I'm the first to acknowledge that there's a slippery slope when you're talking about the invocation of executive powers, particularly ones that don't allow themselves to be exposed to the light of day or the inside of a courtroom. But I do believe -- and for the record I did believe, even when George W. Bush was in office -- that the military has to have the ability to undertake secret missions for the good of the country, even controversial ones, without constantly having to reveal the details of those operations. There's no doubt that we've grown distrustful of our government lately, and with good reason. However, I find it hard, after all the independent reporting I've seen over the past several months, to peg Anwar al-Aulaqi as anything other than a very serious threat to our national security -- regardless of whether he's an American, an American living abroad, an American who's renounced his country and its people, whatever. Maybe when strict logic is applied -- and I try to do that as best I can -- there's no excuse for hunting down a U.S. citizen without due process. But no matter how hard I try I simply can't work up that much sympathy and outrage for al-Aulaqi.

Plus there's something else to consider: A lot of polemical hay has been made over the notion of a government sanctioned "hit squad" tracking down al-Aulaqi -- or anyone else really -- and engaging in a form of extremely prejudicial military action that seems utterly nefarious and underhanded at face value. It's true that assassination has a disturbing ring to it no matter which way you couch it, but maybe this is one of those times that our new transparent media panopticon has rendered the unpleasant realities of war almost intolerable. People die during war. In all sorts of horrible ways. They're blown to pieces along with those around them, some of whom just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time; they're shot through the head in the dead of night; they go down fighting or drop before they even know what's hit them. This is why sending young men and women into battle is never, under any circumstances, a decision that should be taken lightly or be the product of caprice. The reality has always been brutal and hideous; the only difference is that now it's much easier to see this fact for ourselves.

But if you believe that war is occasionally necessary -- and I'm not saying that our fight in Afghanistan is, only making a generalization -- then what's a more humane way to kill an enemy? Is it to drop a bomb on him and likely slaughter innocents in the process -- or is it to take out him and him alone? Once again, the latter, strangely, sounds more corrupt -- but the truth is that, simply as a matter of numbers, it's not. Far from it.

I don't know all the details regarding the Anwar al-Aulaqi case. But I also don't automatically believe that I'm entitled to know. And I'm sorry, but I also won't lose a whole lot of sleep if I wake up one morning to learn he's not with us anymore.

 

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What I'm about to say won't exactly firm up my street cred with the liberal side of the blogosphere, and it stands against the opinions of quite a few people I respect greatly, but it's not like I've ...
What I'm about to say won't exactly firm up my street cred with the liberal side of the blogosphere, and it stands against the opinions of quite a few people I respect greatly, but it's not like I've ...
 
 
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08:43 AM on 10/01/2010
al-Awlaki: "Send lawyers, guns and money, Dad get me out of this!" my 2 cents:
http://brighton-towne.blogspot.com/2010/10/al-awlaki-send-lawyers-guns-money-dad.html
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07:11 AM on 09/29/2010
If we're going to start executing American citizens without due process because we've deemed them enemies of the state because they have or attempted to commit acts of treason against us, then I can think of a few names that should be on that list prior to this one.

We keep saying that we're a nation of laws but will have no trouble breaking those laws whenever it is convinient to do so. It is a slippery slope indeed and it starts with one act that violates the very heart and soul that our nation has built its foundation on.

If we allow the man, the govt that represents us all to do this, to go unchallenged on this act, regardless of the cause, it is like we are all pulling that trigger, all 300+ million of us! Personally I would like to not have that blood on my hands without knowing for certain it was just! There's not much left to be proud of these days and its stories like this that bend my head in shame further!

Our laws were put in place to make sure that we never lose sight that there is no greater good unless its protection is conducted in the light of scrutiny! If we cannot conduct ourselves within the principles of our laws, regardless of the provocation, can we still call ourselves a just nation? Can we still call ourselves American?
04:25 PM on 09/28/2010
So Race/Religion determines which Americans we can "just kill"?

If Timothy McVeigh and Terry White were prevented from carrying out the Okalhoma City bombing and they fled to another country to hide among crazies who supported their crimes, the President couldn't order them summarily executed by the military without generating outrage from all political stripes because 1) it's WRONG, and 2) they are/were white non-muslims.

There are radical Pro-life groups INSIDE this country who openly advocate the murder of American citizens (doctors). Should the President order the Military to assassinate these criminals in addition to Anwar al-Aulaqi? Answer: No, because 1) it's WRONG, and 2) they are white non-muslims.

The President has ordered the KILLING of an AMERICAN CITIZEN, without a trial, without charges, and invokes State Secrets to justify this KILLING. The fact that the victim is an Arab American Muslim should not be relevant to a justice system which is supposed to protect all (white non-muslims).

I'm sure Pazienz won't lose a lot of sleep if our President succeeds in killing Anwar al-Aulaqi since he is after all, just a pesky Arab American; but will he sleep just as peacefully when the American Citizen in question is a Jew, a Cuban, a Black Panther, a Socialist, or possibly even a more friendly looking white, non-muslim?
05:15 PM on 09/28/2010
"So Race/Religion determines which Americans we can "just kill"?". Nope, their actions are the determining factor. Timothy McVeigh and Terry White would be in the same situation if their actions mirrored those of Anwar al-Aulaqi. Not taking action simply invites these bigoted, religoius fanatics to hurry up and cut our throat. Your foolish race-baiting is an overplayed card, like the boy who cried wolf.

Notice too, that is is a capture order as well.
07:01 PM on 09/28/2010
Do you have evidence? Has such evidence been presented in a court of law? A simple arrest warrant cannot be obtained without a legal affidavit stating the crimes that have been committed. So why is it OK to essentially put a contract out on this man?

If the President says to you "Your son is involved with some bad people, I have told the military to retrieve him DEAD OR ALIVE, and I'm not going to tell you why, and I will not allow anyone to challenge my decision or assessment of the facts". Are you OK with that?

It is not "race baiting" to point out to the author of an article justifying "The killing of an Arab American", that he should stop to consider how he (and his readers) would feel about his writing the same article/justification entitled:

The Killing of a Jewish American
The Killing of a Black American
The Killing of a Chinese American
The Killing of a German American

The author is begging the question of race; blind to his own racism.

If Anwar al-Aulaqi was a white non-muslim, we would not even be having this discussion and the President would not be attempting to completely bypass our justice system to kill this man.
04:06 PM on 09/28/2010
"Maybe when strict logic is applied -- and I try to do that as best I can -- there's no excuse for hunting down a U.S. citizen without due process. But no matter how hard I try I simply can't work up that much sympathy and outrage for al-Aulaqi."

Lol, worst.post.ever. You say you try to apply logic, then your very next sentence seeks the emotion 'sympathy'. We are a country of laws and extrajudicial executions are illegal. No one cares about your emotions. According to your 'logic', we should kill anyone accused of murder if they can't garner your sympathy, lol.
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Sure thing. Shoot, Timmy.
03:39 PM on 09/28/2010
If it is proven he is involved in what he has been accused of, then he is fair game.
04:01 PM on 09/28/2010
How can it be "proven" if the government will produce no evidence to support its claims, or give allow him and his family to dispute those facts IN DEFENSE OF HIS LIFE?
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02:43 PM on 09/28/2010
ok so where is the outrage over alwaleed bin talal a known major terrorist financier being the second largest owner of foxnews.

in addition murdock and alwaleed bin talal are teaming up for a fox style arab language news station. on the arab station they will play clips from foxnews designed to stir up ant american hatred in the arab world. on fox they will play clips from the arab station designed to stir up anti muslim hatred in america.

in that way the terrorist get their religious war.
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02:30 PM on 09/28/2010
"What he's not is Kim Jong Il or Fidel Castro, which means that any statement about his supposed "abysmal civil liberties record" makes the person saying it look like nothing more than a drama queen." Perhaps. But perhaps the comparison ought to be between Obama and other American presidents, as this little confabulation of the author's is but a strawman for the author to decry. And compared to other presidents, Obama's civil liberties record is not so pretty, as he does mostly what Bush II was doing previously, but with a Constitutional scholar's knlowledge that what he's doing is at least a wee bit stretchy, Constitutional-wise. At least with Bush II, we could honestly console himself that our president cared little for and understood even less, the rights guaranteed to the citizenry in that document. With Obama, we know he knows better, and we know doesn't care to act overmuch on what he knows.
02:17 PM on 09/28/2010
Has it been proven that al-Aulaqi is a member of Al-Qaeda? As far as I am aware, even those charging him claim nothing except that the Fort Hood shooter attended al-Aulaqi's mosque. "Investigators at this stage have no indication that [the Fort Hood shooter] planned the attacks with anyone else."

"[T]he government's Counterterrorism Center apparently was aware before the shooting that [the Fort Hood shooter] had sent e-mails to radical Yemeni cleric Anwar al Awlaki, but that information did not trigger any special action among [the shooter's] commanders."

If there is evidence that al-Aulaqi planned the attacks, then that is an offence---an abused one, but an offence nonetheless---called "conspiracy." It should not carry the death penalty---although increasingly Americans like to execute anybody who was around an alleged murder---and even the death penalty is supposed to be regulated by law.

Maybe the evidence against al-Aulaqi is phony or fabricated. That is why it's a crime to summarily murder him.

And anyone who suggests otherwise is a barbarian.