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Chez Pazienza

Posted: November 7, 2010 11:19 AM

Playing for Keith

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By now you're almost certainly aware that on Friday, MSNBC announced that it was suspending Keith Olbermann indefinitely and without pay because he made three donations to Democratic candidates during the lead-up to the mid-terms. The reaction to the move has been swift and, shall we say, pointed; it seems that the only thing both the left and right can agree on right now is that Olbermann should be able to give money to whomever he wants and not have to worry about losing his job over it.

I don't really have much to add to this that hasn't been said far more articulately by just about everyone besides, maybe, Howie Kurtz (who predictably took the bullshit professorial, "Well, he violated the first rule of being an objective journalist" route). The fact is that I'm willing to actually consider all kinds of conspiratorial notions on this one because I just can't make heads-or-tails of it as a rational decision. Maybe Bernie Sanders is right and NBC's corporate overlords pressured management to crack down on Olbermann because they don't like his message, as ludicrous as that seems because while Olbermann may be liberal and spend much of his time on-air railing against corporate interests, he ironically makes a shit-ton of money for the ones who run NBC; maybe MSNBC president Phil Griffin just got fed up with his talent running roughshod over him and decided to sit on that zoo fraternity of his and show it who's boss. Honestly, who knows?

The bottom line here, though, is that this highlights the disadvantage that MSNBC has always been at when it comes to allowing its hosts to express a political viewpoint, whether on-air or behind the scenes: MS is the only cable entity that has to answer to the traditional -- and laughably antiquated -- standards and practices of a network news mothership. Fox News was created as a right-wing mouthpiece; CNN basically made its own rules; only MSNBC had a set of intractable standards plastered into the walls of the place from the very beginning. NBC's dilemma has always been how to draw the line between the outspoken free-for-all on MS and the supposedly dignified proceedings at NBC News proper. Maybe this will be the event that finally forces the NBC suits to fess up and admit what everybody already knows: MSNBC's prime time isn't a news block; it's opinion. And there's nothing really wrong with that. Olbermann doesn't just wear his political leanings on his sleeve -- he occasionally shouts them in your face. The demands at NBC for notions like objectivity and fairness simply don't apply to Keith Olbermann, and it's ridiculous to pretend that they do.

At some point, these traditional media outlets will finally wise the hell up and realize that we're well past the point where it was unforgivable to express an opinion; where every journalist was supposed to robotically, dispassionately relay information; where it had to be "just the facts, ma'am." Fox News obviously realized this a long time ago; the place is almost literally a 24/7 factory for generating money for the Republican party and its candidates. MSNBC, if it has any brains at all and doesn't simply feel like trying to stare down its main marquee player just to prove that its penis is bigger, will put Olbermann back on the air as soon as it can -- and admit that it made a mistake by taking him off in the first place.

Because if you know anything at all about Keith, his penchant for standing his ground could easily lead to MS not having a star to put back on.

 

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MIMom
I snark, therefore I am.
09:08 PM on 11/08/2010
"MSNBC, if it has any brains at all and doesn't simply feel like trying to stare down its main marquee player just to prove that its penis is bigger, will put Olbermann back on the air as soon as it can -- and admit that it made a mistake by taking him off in the first place."

LOL!!! This is exactly what I thought too. Kudos!
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Leah Watts
08:21 PM on 11/08/2010
Too many people, including many on HP, confuse facts with opinion. And too many listen to opinionators on Fox and MSNBC, because they don't trust their own innate capacity to think critically.
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tobyzip
07:50 PM on 11/08/2010
It could be because of my age, but I still think there's a need for the objective journalists...a very great need. And I think that simply telling the viewing (or listening) public whether the program is straight journalism or editorialized journalism would work nicely to clear things up. I think it's when the lines become blurred that the problems begin, as in Faux calling itself Faux news rather than Faux commentary.
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Twinz48
07:39 PM on 11/08/2010
To be Fair and Balanced, Fox should really change their mantra from " We report, You decide," to "We opine, You decide."
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MIMom
I snark, therefore I am.
09:09 PM on 11/08/2010
More like, "We Opine, You Swallow it Whole".
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Delmark Goldfarb
Singer/songwriter, movie extra, grandfather
12:29 PM on 11/08/2010
Boy, talk about misleading headlines! I thought this story was going to be about that guitar player for the Rolling Stones.
11:52 AM on 11/08/2010
The issue wasn't "opinion" the issue was "endorsement" and yes you are right. There isn't a single journalist today who could be said to be objective.
I take issue with Olbermann's Lefty creds being defined as "taking on corporate interests." Oh. Right. MSNBC isn't corporate?
BOTH PARTIES support corporate interests. At least Fox isn't in denial about it. You can see them coming. MSNBC and npr are insidious.
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MrsGreebers
11:45 AM on 11/08/2010
"The demands at NBC for notions like objectivity and fairness simply don't apply to Keith Olbermann, and it's ridiculous to pretend that they do."

Welcome to the Jon Stewart false equivalence club. You lost me at that statement.

Lots of you guys need to learn the difference between objectivity/fairness and neutrality. As Bill Maher so eloquently put it, this isn't Team Edward vs. Team Jacob. Olberman's rants are fact-based and fair. Too bad the truth of our government and media carries a liberal bias.
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09:11 PM on 11/08/2010
Great point. I was thinking of how to say that, but you hit nail on head.
11:37 AM on 11/08/2010
The MSNBC statement by Griffin stated that contributions were ok, just with his permission. This is not journalistic standard that was broken. That is why morning Joe people and CNBC people can contibute without difficulty. This is a work rule that was violated. Obviously the conflict of interest of making a contribution does not go away just because you have Phil Griifin's permission. Either the contributions are wrong or they are not. Keth just got hit with losing Mother (Phil) may I.

In the interest of removing the conflict of interest, Phil Griffin should reveal all on air personalities that gave with his permission. That should include the amount and the recipient.
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10:53 AM on 11/08/2010
This whole brouhaha was silly on it's face.

NBC has network news and MSNBC has opinion journalism. The two are wholly different animals. Isn't that kind of the point of having two different networks? And at least the parent company makes a distinction between the two, neither CNN or Fox do that.

MSNBC has never marketed themselves as 'fair and balanced news', they're marketing tag-line was 'the place for politics' for many years until just recently. I hardly think there was any viewer out there who deluded themselves as to the difference between NBC and MSNBC.

But you also have to give MSNBC more credit than Fox in that they actually present both political viewpoints. That's also what makes Griffin's actions so ridiculous.....Dude, you have talent that expresses both viewpoints! Why not play that aspect of your network up instead of punishing them for it!
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MrsGreebers
11:47 AM on 11/08/2010
Fair and balanced means bringing the most accurate truth to the viewer. Objectively speaking, that would result in substantially different content than is found on FoxNews.
03:54 PM on 11/08/2010
No silly, it's intended as irony! It's like "Sesame Street" for Republicans. Grown ups aren't supposed to take FOX News seriously!
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Meah
10:33 AM on 11/08/2010
Here is the thing that I find hard to abide. I took great pleasure in sending donations to candidates all over the country. Russ Feingold, Harry Reid, Scott McAdams, etc. It was only $25. each, but it made me feel as if I were helping in a small way to offset the corporate donations from the right. It made me feel like I was helping these people that I cared about. I know that Keith gave in that spirit, and I find it offensive that anyone is barred from contributing to anyone they choose as a private citizen. I think that NBC needs to reveal their own corporate donations before they hand out "punishment" to their employees. It is just so hypocritical! NBC really does not have a right to make its employees ask for some person to decide whether it is OK for them to make a contribution. What is that? Some lawyer who had gas could decide that it wasn't OK for me to contribute on a particular day? Give me a break. NBC review and update your anachronistic rules!
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tinyrainbows
11:05 AM on 11/08/2010
I do that in Presidential elections. I send contributions to Republicans in the primaries and Ralph Nader in the general election.
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Meah
11:51 AM on 11/08/2010
There are no tiny rainbows.
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Doug Watt
Not ready for 2012
02:50 PM on 11/08/2010
I agree. There is a limit on personal donations, Keith didn't go over that limit and no company should be allowed to regulate an employee's political donations.
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elkabong
Campaign finance is the disease.
10:23 AM on 11/08/2010
Olbermann doesn't lie. He shouldn't lie. He shouldn't express opinions that contain lies. As far as I know, he doesn't.

Fox-jockeys lie. They lie routinely. Here's a good example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF9We8dCvZ8

Murdoch doesn't seem to care that they lie, routinely. He shows his utter contempt for his audience by allowing it. But his audience, at least the ones who comment here, don't seem to care that the Fox-jockeys lie as long as it's what they want to hear (evidence, for me at least, that conservatism is a mental illness).

Lies should be abolished, not opinions.
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SiouxSayer
09:49 AM on 11/08/2010
I think it bears mentioning here that Keith is a pundit. A warrior for the Left, to be sure, yet he also is able to remove himself from a situation, issue or talking point and speak factually and objectively on it. This is the divide between Right and Left. The Right will perpetually form an 'opinion' or viewpoint and laser-lock onto it without question or compromise. They all get the same memo and stick with it. As much as that sort of ignorance destroys progress...I have to give them credit for cohesion. We Libs are just too intelligently-objective for our own good at times. Yes, there is honor and ethics all stirred up in there on the Left and that's commendable. Yet, sometimes I think it hinders actual progress from the GOP onslaught of ignorance. Sometimes the ends DO justify the means. And if Libs truly have the best interest of humanity in mind, then there should be times when we 'take 1 for the team', bite our lips and form a solid wall of resistance to better the lives of OUR future generations.
For example, over 300k citizens railed against MSNBC to reinstate Keith over the weekend. Do you realize that most, if not ALL of the recent elections, were won or lost by far less than that amount of votes? AND more people got involved to bring Keith back than attended the Sanity Rally !
We must coalesce to progress..
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Twinz48
01:29 AM on 11/09/2010
Agree with you 100%
07:08 AM on 11/08/2010
Chaz, you miss or ignore the fact that he was suspended for doing something his employer instructed him not to do. It was not the first time. This is an employee behavior issue, not a journalistic or free speech question.
08:29 AM on 11/08/2010
If that is indeed the case, who wasn't Joe Scarborough suspended for his $5K donation to his republican friend?
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ProfessorDuh
09:21 AM on 11/08/2010
Therefore it's a stupid technicality, and an EXCUSE for silencing Olbermann, not a REASON..
06:43 AM on 11/08/2010
Two things in this article reflect some of the fundamental problems of the macro media landscape today:

(1) RE: " I don't really have much to add to this that hasn't been said far more articulately by just about everyone "

And you wrote it anyway. People just don't know when to shut up any more. If you have nothing to add - don't add.

(2) RE: "At some point, these traditional media outlets will finally wise the hell up and realize that we're well past the point where it was unforgivable to express an opinion; where every journalist was supposed to robotically, dispassionately relay information; where it had to be "just the facts, ma'am."

It's perfectly fine so long as you believe that information/news should be entertainment, whose sole purpose is to make money. That's the problem - facts should still be facts. Opinions, well you know what they say about those.

Not everything should be driven by the profit motive - there are certain services which are essential to the functioning of a 'democracy'. Entertainment is not one of them.

RE:" Fox News obviously realized this a long time ago; the place is almost literally a 24/7 factory for generating money for the Republican party and its candidates."

Exactly - because their chosen role is to entertain, not educate. That's fine - just don't expect the same privileges as or confuse it with the Fourth Estate.
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LV711
Democracy for All
02:44 AM on 11/08/2010
Keith, Rachel, Ed and Chris deal in facts. Sure, they have opinions based on the facts. If more people took the time to understand the facts, then maybe they would stop voting against their own interests. Despite Faux News constant railings against education, it is a beautiful thing.
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cuardai
The beginning of knowledge is inquiry...
03:18 AM on 11/08/2010
Exactly. They are opinion shows based on good well researched facts. And when they are wrong **gasp** they actually come out in the next episode and correct their statements. When was the last time anyone did that on Faux Noise?
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gleitz05
Old people are allowed to be cranky.
09:01 AM on 11/08/2010
But...but...I thought you knew that they never make any mistakes on Fox!