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"Monumental" Lies - Kirk Cameron Visits David Barton (VIDEO)

Posted: 03/22/2012 5:18 pm

Child-star-turned-fundamentalist Christian activist Kirk Cameron's pseudo-documentary Monumental is coming to over 500 theaters across the country on March 27, and from the clips available online, it's clear that Cameron's movie promises to be packed with the same Christian nationalist historical revisionism that David Barton is so well known for. In fact, Barton himself appears in Cameron's film. One of the clips available online shows Cameron visiting Barton's personal museum in Texas, and hearing a few of Barton's lies about the early Congress and Thomas Jefferson printing Bibles to spread the word of God to all American families.

 
 
 

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Child-star-turned-fundamentalist Christian activist Kirk Cameron's pseudo-documentary Monumental is coming to over 500 theaters across the country on March 27, and from the clips available online, it'...
Child-star-turned-fundamentalist Christian activist Kirk Cameron's pseudo-documentary Monumental is coming to over 500 theaters across the country on March 27, and from the clips available online, it'...
 
 
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02:31 AM on 05/08/2012
I believe what is being said is Chris Rodda did the same thing David Barton did she said it without giving us any way to check it out, just as David did, he said it without giving us any way to check it out, I would have a hard time calling anybody names but I will say both can't be true, and her word at this point is no better than his.
02:47 PM on 04/14/2012
John Adams' letter to Thomas Jefferson of January 22, 1825- "The Europeans are all deeply tainted with prejudices both ecclesiastical and temporal which they can never get rid of. They are all infected with episcopal and presbyterian creeds and confessions of faith. They all believe that great Principle which has produced this boundless universe, Newton's universe and Herschell's universe, came down to this little ball to be spit upon by Jews. And until this awful blasphemy is got rid of, there never will be any liberal science in the world."
06:24 PM on 03/30/2012
The real issue about this movie is did God inspire our forefathers to come to this land and set it up as a christian nation?
The answer is Yes he did! We know this from the FACTS from the movie as well as written scripture, prophets have spoken about it. This land was to be a haven for freedom, particularly religious.
There is a supreme being that is all powerful who still lives and rules this earth today and expects us to continue to uphold what our forefathers laid out. God still is involved in our lives today if we let him.
I know this from studying about God, praying and trying to do what he says. I know of his influence in my personal life. This country would not be what it has become without those ideals talked about in the movie.
If you dispute the efficacy of this movie I challenge you to come up with a better plan for running our lives and this country. I know your won't be able to do it. It defies law. Anything else defies our personal happiness and wellbeing. I know that when we follow those principals we are happier. History of societies has proved it over and over again. I challenge everyone to try living those values in this movie and you will know it for yourself.
04:15 PM on 04/14/2012
lol, really?

dude, I would love to sit down and talk to you for 20 minutes.
11:26 PM on 03/28/2012
i dont get it why the deification of the founding fathers? the founding fathers also thought only people who owned property should be allowed to vote and definitely not women.
05:26 PM on 05/11/2012
If you "don't get it why the deification of the founding fathers," I have some suggested reading:

1. "John Adams," by McCullough
2. "What Kind of Nation," by James F. Simon
3. "The 5,000 Year Leap," by W. Cleon Skousen
4. "Democracy in America," by Alexis de Tocqueville.

Your comment illustrates the problem perfectly. Americans have not been taught the simple truths about how amazing the founding of our country was.
Rollin McKim
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11:39 PM on 03/27/2012
A bunch of sick puppies here, beginning with the author of this article.
10:17 PM on 03/27/2012
All of you in the MSM with your liberal, corrupt, egotistical, godless and self fulfilling lives deserve to live in the hell so desperately want and need to create. It is amazing to me how frightened you are of people that are not like you and believe in a power and truth greater than themselves. However, because you control the airways you get your zombies to believe it's the other way around. But as we all know as history shows, the truth can never be suppressed for long. Those who try will eventually be destroyed as they always are. I almost fell sorry for you, though not quite. For being sooo smart and sooo elite, you have know idea what a pawn you are!!!
11:43 PM on 03/28/2012
you are right. its scary that anyone could look at the distortions in this documentary and think that they represented the truth. its scary that there are a group of believers who somehow find the need to deify the founding fathers. but i have to admit i am facinated that kirk would feel the need to produce a documentary of this caliber. and that there are those who have a hunger to want to see it, possiblly more than once, if it is true that there is actually a demand for a second screening.
08:23 PM on 03/27/2012
According to Barton the FF's based the Constitution on the Bible and wanted to spread Christianity....and yet they chose to never mention that in the Constitution - not a word. The right talks Jesus and the Bible, but legislates according to athiest Ayn Rand. Barton's reverence for the Founding Fathers is as phony as the right's Christian beliefs.
01:02 PM on 03/29/2012
"yet they chose to never mention that in the Constitution - not a word"

Just in their writings, memoirs, and by their actions. It is not only true that they were no more perfect than you and I but it is interesting how people try to reason away God and especially God of the Bible.

Other than your thoughts about God allowing death please let me know your biggest problem with the "If God exists...".

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08:11 AM on 03/27/2012
I'm not sure what the full title of the Bible purchased by Thomas Jefferson has to do with him purchasing that particular volume. That title page was the same one included in every printing of the King James Bible until printers began to exclude the Apocrypha toward the end of the 1800's. How that title page would have attracted Jefferson over any other printing of the King James Version is beyond imagination.
08:09 PM on 03/26/2012
It would seem Ms. Rodda is quite convincing.

However, I asked the same questions regarding the Founders, and to discover the truth of the matter, went to original source materials such as one would find located in the libraries at Harvard, Yale, Princeton. Actually handled quite a few titles... .

In addition to that, just take note of the original mottos of the Ivy League, like Harvard's (In Christi Gloriam), and research the foundings of all colleges up to about 1840...all were theologically based, and mainly trained Preachers, Politicians, and Physicians....and, incidentally, the leaders of the Revolution, like Princeton's John Witherspoon, James Madison's being his leading protege'..... .

Then, just take a look at what is catalogued at, Harvard...today.

To look up "election sermon" go here:
http://hollis.harvard.edu/?q=ex-Everything-1.0:%22election sermon%22+

After that, see the list of Harvard Presidents from, oh, 1646-1846 found here:
http://www.harvard.edu/history-presidency

Then do the same at Hollis for Yale and Princeton names... .

Look up Samuel Langdon or John Witherspoon at the same Hollis search page to see what what they were hearing in Beantown during the Revolution... .

Next, take what you have discovered, and go to the online book sites such as Google or Internet Archive, download and ....read them.

Can't ignore the evidence of thousands of titles neatly stacked in every Ivy League library.

Anyone up to the challenge ?
07:39 PM on 03/28/2012
One problem; there is no "God". It was understandable that back 100 years and earlier most people (including the educated at U.S. universities) believed in some sort of "God" to explain the unexplained origins of mankind, the earth, the cosmos. However, we have something called "science" that has given us much knowledge on the subject (particularly in the last 150 years) and has given mankind "evolutionary theory" which leaves absolutely no room for a "God" or "gods". Before anyone attacks evolution, please educate yourself on what "theory" means when we are talking about science. Evolution is a fact. Kirk and others who agree with him are either liars or immensely ignorant.
08:48 PM on 03/28/2012
Ahhh...there it is...when faced with evidence related to the Founding Era, and not liking it, Mr. Costello pitches the "Evolution disproves God" canard to distract folks.

It may be off topic, but here is some Darwinism: "From his "The Descent of Man," 2nd. Ed., 1909 p.p. 159,160. we read some shocking opinions from Mr. Darwin:

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Dr. Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated."

"The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla”

“Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world!”

For Africans, Darwin links them with the lower species of gorilla. Seems to me this is not scientifically accurate.

Darwin, perhaps the racist's best friend... .

Contrast with the NT, Rev. 7 :9. "After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages... ."
08:02 PM on 03/28/2012
Well, as it turns out, the Federal Government was in the business of distributing New Testaments, both Catholic and Protestant versions during WW 2. The link below features a picture of a Protestant version, with a page featuring an introduction by...FDR himself.

FDR states: "As Commander in Chief, I take pleasure in commending the reading of the Bible to all those who serve in the armed forces of the United States. Throughout the centuries men of many faiths and diverse origins have found in the Sacred Book words of wisdom, councel and inspiration.
It is a fountain of strength, and now, as always, an aid in attaining the highest inspirations of the human soul."

There is also a picture of the American flag just below a pennant with a cross, and a note that this is the only flag to fly above the national flag.

Now, with an endorsement by the President (who later, just before D-Day gave a prayer on the radio for its success!) it would prove by FDR's official actions for the place for the Bible and faith linked to government .

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/690/p1010005ke.jpg/
02:19 PM on 03/24/2012
Drivel and the art of distraction. Cut to the chase, don't just make arbitrary assertions that you cannot sustain. Refute the claims––don't just claim that they can't be true. This is little more than a bias and pseudo review by an individual who has already made her decision, based on what? What did she actually say? What argument did she really present? We have her word, and the word of someone who actually has documentation that helps him sustain his argument.... Whatever. Someone is revising American history. Who exactly that is––this woman is not helping us discover. What we know, is that a lot of information that used to be in the textbooks in regards to the beliefs of the founders––isn't there anymore...
04:39 PM on 03/24/2012
Nope. David Barton is a massive liar and so are you. This woman succinctly and precisely refuted each and every claim in the video with historical evidence. She can't do your research for you, if you truly want to be convinced then do the research yourself. But you probably don't want to, because if you're a David Barton supporter you are someone who does not like facts. He lies about everything he says about the founders and early America, every legitimate historian (even Christian historians) know that he is full of crap. Just because you are too brainwashed to understand what this woman is saying does not mean that she is wrong.
08:26 PM on 03/24/2012
OABY: How did I lie? I didn't catch all of those succinct arguments. What I heard was the art of distraction as she mischaracterized David Barton and the historical nature of what he does, while not citing actual references herself. What we have is her word, against his. Another post had mentioned 'peer review'. Has this woman's comments been 'peer reviewed'? What *authority* does this woman have?

Not to mention that Chris Rodda is an atheist. You can't have a greater reason for NOT wanting the founders to be men of faith. David Barton is a Christian––you really can't have a greater reason for wanting the founders to be men of faith. What is the truth? And does it really matter?
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01:45 AM on 03/24/2012
Any research on David Barton will convince the open minded that he lacks any peer recognition as an historian. Yet he fills the void that many who want confirmation of their Christian Nationalist beliefs.
And they will not be dissuaded.
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05:59 PM on 03/23/2012
Thank you, Chris, for your amazing diligence illustrating FACTUALLY the true and accurate history of the founder's actions and intentions. I'm sure they had a few wackjob fundamentalists in the bunch, but clearly it was The Enlightenment that inspired the idea of America.
03:26 AM on 03/23/2012
So let me get this straight your the girl that Kirt Cameron promised to take to prom on the 5th episode of "Growing Pains" but you were "stood up" for the popular girl so you had to go to prom with Kirk's best friend Boner.... and now you are resentful towards Kirk and you want to get him back for what he did to you.
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12:15 PM on 03/26/2012
When you can't argue facts... attack the messenger.