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Marine Corps Lawyers Claim Crusades Weren't a Religious War

Posted: 05/29/2012 3:00 pm

Last month, I wrote about Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 122, the unit whose commander, in his infinite wisdom, had decided to change the unit's nickname from the "Werewolves" to the "Crusaders," a change that came complete with a nice big crusader shield and cross being painted on its planes.

This unit, given the nickname Werewolves before its first WWII combat tour, was renamed the Crusaders in 1958 when the plane it was flying was the F-8 Crusader. But in 2008, when the unit was preparing to deploy to Iraq, the name was changed back to the Werewolves by the unit's then commander, Lt. Col. William Lieblein, who, stating the obvious, said, "The notion of being a crusader in that part of the world doesn't float."

But earlier this year, the unit's new commander, Lt. Col. Wade Wiegel, decided to change the name back to Crusaders, telling the Beaufort Gazette that he just didn't see calling a U.S. military unit the Crusaders as being "politically incorrect."

On April 18, after receiving dozens of complaints about this name change, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) sent a letter to the Commandant of the Marine Corps and Secretary of the Navy demanding that the unit stop using the name Crusaders and the cross and shield imagery.

After receiving MRFF's demand letter, the decision was made to change the unit's name back to the Werewolves. So, problem solved, no more issue, right? Well, not quite.

On May 18, the General Counsel of the Commandant of the Marine Corps, Robert D. Hogue, and one of his colleagues spoke on the phone with MRFF's lead legal counsel on this matter, Caroline Mitchell of the firm Jones Day. MRFF was not aware at the time of this phone call that the decision had allegedly (according to what the military said after the fact) already been made to change the unit's name back - and, apparently, neither was the General Counsel of the Commandant of the Marine Corps, who proceeded to explain to Ms. Mitchell that there was a secular purpose to using the Crusaders name and imagery.

When msnbc.com reported on this story last week, they mentioned the phone call between MRFF's counsel and the Marine Corps counsel, but this part of the story is so insane that it deserves more attention. Seriously, you ain't gonna believe the points that General Counsel of the Commandant of the Marine Corps made in his attempt to defend the use of the Crusader name and cross.

The most incomprehensibly unbelievable point advanced by these legal geniuses was that the Crusades were not religious. They were just military in nature, and therefore the term Crusades evokes "military" history, not "religion." I kid you not. The General Counsel of the Commandant of the Marine Corps DOESN'T THINK THE CRUSADES WERE RELIGIOUS!

These Marine Corps lawyers then asked Ms. Mitchell if a cross always has a religious connotation, and they were ready with an example of one that doesn't - the X on the Confederate flag! That's right. Their great example of the secular use of a cross is a symbol that evokes something much better - the Dukes of Hazzard (oh yeah, and racism and slavery, too).

But wait, there's more! They also asked Ms. Mitchell if the use of the Crusaders name and imagery would be permissible in a theater where the people are "illiterate," apparently assuming that everyone in the Middle East is illiterate, and that the image of a shield with a cross on it wouldn't be clear to anyone, whether they could read or not.

They next asked if the usage of this name and imagery would be acceptable in Africa, apparently unaware that there are significant Muslim populations in Africa as well as the Middle East.

Other questions included whether or not it would be acceptable to remove the cross, but leave the shield and continue use of the Crusaders name, or to use an image of a Crusader plane instead and keep the name.

Yes, folks, these brilliant points and questions were brought to you by the General Counsel of the Commandant of the Marine Corps - the senior legal advisor to the Commandant of the Marine Corps, the Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps, the Deputy Commandants of the Marine Corps, and other top officials of the Marine Corps. We have a serious problem here.

 
 
 

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NeoConsAreFinished
Fight the Ah mer I cun talibanned
03:47 AM on 06/25/2012
So the taliban says the cross is not a religious symbol.
I guess the Taliban will not care if we start destroying these crosses that are secular symbols.
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fredrdr
Let us dare to read, think, speak and write.
09:28 PM on 06/01/2012
To most people, perseption is reality. The Crusades were religous as they were called for by the Pope. The troops were told that to fight in the Holy Land would guarentee entrance into Heaven no matter what your sins were. Changing the name of the outfit was not in the best interest of the military. Our concept of history is very short term - maybe ten years. In other parts of the world, the Crusades are recent history. Being aware of local feelings helps with relation ships. Four years in the Med working with the Italians, Greeks and Turks.
06:32 PM on 06/01/2012
I think that shows an overwhelming lack of historical knowledge and perspective. A series of wars (the Crusades) instigated by a religious leader (the Pope) whose symbol being one of the major religious icons (both then and now) which was aimed primarily at followers of another monotheistic religion (the Muslims) (even though, admittedly, the Crusaders killed a lot of Christians as well --- see the sacking of Constantinople for one thing) ... is not religiously related? What baloney! The Christian equivalent of Jihad .....
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jimtodd
Unrepentant child of '60s
12:00 PM on 05/30/2012
Hence the term - military intelligence.
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SVPincalif
Practice random acts of kindness
11:34 AM on 05/30/2012
If the cross isn't a religious symbol, I don't know what is. And anyone stating that the Crusades weren't religious hasn't studied history.
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CSKAP
Morlock or Eloi?
10:48 AM on 05/30/2012
Oh my goodness.
As a 30 year veteran, I’m a little embarrassed by the squirming and twisting of the JAG for the Marine Corps.
Why not just call the Squadron
“The Vengeful Fist of Jesus Christ” the squadron logo could be the figure of Christ bleeding on the cross.
And be done with it?
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lrobb
Gold Standard = four paws and a tail
10:19 AM on 05/30/2012
I beg to differ about the Confederate X which is also called a saltire and the Southern cross. It is the St. Andrews cross, and is the emblem of Scotland. The St. Patrick's flag of Ireland is also a saltire. A great deal of the white South had a Scots-Irish heritage.
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Chris Rodda
01:58 PM on 05/30/2012
I understand that the origin of the X on the Confederate flag is the St. Andrews cross. The point is that the symbol has since taken on a non-religious connotation, which is what the court said when someone objected to the flag on Establishment Clause grounds in a case in Mississippi a number of years ago. This case is possibly why the Marine Corps lawyers are using this as their example. But this is apples and oranges. Unlike the X on the Confederate flag, the crusader cross on a shield has never taken on any connotation other than it being a Christian cross.
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cdecisneros
my micro bio is empty because I went to the micro
09:41 AM on 05/30/2012
Those who forget history .... etc.
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cegrubbs
07:48 AM on 05/30/2012
Columbus and the Conquisitors who conquered the Americas were on a Crusade, operating under a Papal Mandate that is called the Doctrine of Discovery. Crusading has deep roots in European history, and all the European settler states continue to base themselves on this "Christian Nation" conquering "pagans, heathen savages" reationale. It goes deep. And non-Christians can see right throught it.
07:17 AM on 05/30/2012
And our tax dollars are funding this lunacy.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
05:25 AM on 05/30/2012
I wrote the below comment nearly a year ago during the controversy over the apparently "official" attempt to evangelize cadets at our Air Force Academy. This Marine "Crusaders" thing may not be the same kind of effort but it sure smacks of it.
This is either an illustration of appalling historical ignorance on the part of highly placed Marine officials or an equally appalling rationalization for something else going on like, say, a back door approach to evangelization of Marines. Either way, it's frightening and inexcusable.
I have a Marine Major son who's intellect and education makes him eminently more qualified to be in such positions of influence and who would be embarrassed by such displays of historical ignorance and irresponsible chutzpah on the part of these Marine officials pushing this "Crusaders" name use.
One looks on in wonder.
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11:09 AM on 05/30/2012
Majority rates of fundamentalist Christians in the Armed Forces is a problem. Alternatives only seem to include going back to conscription or a total mercenary force. The latter is an increasing trend, but will meet backlash from career troops and institutions wanting to continue huge entitlement programs. The idea of an eighteen year old retiring at thirty eight with full benefits that no one, even in hard core "socialist" countries recieves, won't wash.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
05:15 AM on 05/30/2012
The trend of the ongoing evangelization of our military is extremely disturbing. The potential end result of an army of religious zealots in our midst is frightening. I urge everyone to read a book called THE WAR AFTER ARMAGEDDON by Ralph Peters. Savage warfare between Islam and Christianity has ravaged Europe and thrown it practically back to the Middle Ages. Israel has been nuked out of existence by Iran, and Islam has gained control of the entire Middle East encroaching into southern Europe in an effort to create a new Caliphate. America tried to help Europe without taking sides but Islamic terrorists nuked LA and Vegas in retaliation prompting a religious "revival" in America that gained political control of our government thru legitimate political means. America became a fascist theocracy that silenced dissent and created a religiously motivated military bent on wiping Islam from the earth while a more thoughtful remaining non-religious military faction tried to mitigate that effort. I will not reveal the ending and of course it's fictitious, but it was greatly disturbing in it's plausibility in light of what we see happening in America and the Middle East.
There is nothing more dangerous to humanity than well armed religious fanatics....of ANY religion.
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fredrdr
Let us dare to read, think, speak and write.
09:19 PM on 06/01/2012
I may not agree with Col Peters all the time, but he is one great writer. Based on your synopsis, that is a credible future. Have to read it.
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WI Patriot
Defending the Constitution.
01:54 AM on 05/30/2012
cru·sade (kr-sd)
n.
3. A vigorous concerted movement for a cause or against an abuse. See Synonyms at campaign.
intr.v. cru·sad·ed, cru·sad·ing, cru·sades
To engage in a crusade.

Also, from the article the part where Rodda has a hissy fit: "I can only tell you that there is not an aircraft with anything but a Werewolf within that squadron," (the Marine officer)said."

One word - psycho!

I guess the only way for sure is for Rodda to go in a combat zone. We know that will never happen.
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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
05:36 AM on 05/30/2012
And you point is?
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
08:16 AM on 05/30/2012
That's a very odd dictionary you have. It would benefit from adding an etymology, or getting a more informed reader.
01:28 AM on 05/30/2012
Also, the confederate flag is not a symbol of racism for all. I for one am not a racist. Some of my best friends in the marine corps are black. It is a symbol of states rights. It is a symbol of a small federal government. These were the ideals of the confederate states of America.
07:20 AM on 05/30/2012
Yeah, and lots of nice guys fought and died under the Swastika, too.

But it is illegal to fly one in Germany.

The 'ideals' of the CSA all boil down to the power held by the thousand or so families who controlled the South, nothing else.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
08:18 AM on 05/30/2012
It rather more matters whether it is a symbol of racism for `any reasonable' rather than for `all'.

Perhaps you should try asking your black friends in the corps what they think about the confederate flag. The ideals of the Confederacy were the production of the maximum cotton for the minimum of labor costs.
01:25 AM on 05/30/2012
And so that is why there was the top "convert or die" policy. So when the top brass say it was not about religion, they are partly correct. To a majority of the fighters, it was about getting money. It was a "stable" way of life. It was a way to ensure you did not starve to death.
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SVPincalif
Practice random acts of kindness
11:37 AM on 05/30/2012
Still, the basis for the Crusades was a religious cleansing.