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Michael Savage Attacks Mikey Weinstein Over Stopping of Air Force "Jesus Loves Nukes" Training

Posted: 08/05/11 05:38 PM ET

As reported last Friday by Truthout, and this Tuesday by The Washington Post, the Air Force has pulled the section of its missile launch training that had come to be known among some officers as the "Jesus loves nukes speech."

How bad was this training? Well, not only did it use Christian theology and numerous Bible verses to justify nuclear war, but it quoted former Nazi and SS officer Wernher Von Braun as a moral authority. That's right, the U.S. Air Force will do just about anything to work a quote endorsing the Bible into its training, no matter who that quote came from. In this case, they quoted Von Braun as saying upon surrendering at the end of WWII, "[W]e felt that only by surrendering such a weapon to people who are guided by the Bible could such an assurance to the world be best secured."

This training has been around for about two decades, but it was only when thirty-one Air Force officers decided to come to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) and do something about it that it was finally stopped.

Last Wednesday, Truthout exposed the content of this training in an article by Jason Leopold titled "Air Force Cites New Testament, Ex-Nazi, to Train Officers on Ethics of Launching Nuclear Weapons." By Friday, the training had been suspended.

On Wednesday, CNN reported on the story, and since then, the story has gotten much media attention, from both the left and the right. This would include a four minute rant against MRFF founder and president Mikey Weinstein from right-wing radio host Michael Savage on his show The Savage Nation.

Savage started out with the typical, unoriginal crap, like making fun of Mikey Weinstein's name, repeatedly calling him "Mickey Whine-stein," which is quite ironic coming from a man who's real last name isn't Savage, but Weiner -- or should I say "Whine-er" -- and calling MRFF a "fake" organization (I've never understood that one, and can assure you that MRFF does, in fact, exist). Then came the stuff about Jews only being allowed in America because the Christians so graciously letting them be here.

After his introductory idiocy, Savage really got into his rant, during which he said some things that were apparently so offensive that they even had to be edited out of a show as offensive as his -- gems such as:

"Weinstein, could I ask you a question? Why do you hate Christians, America, and the military, when, was it not for the Christians and the military your ancestors would have been turned into [something edited out]?"

and,

"What Weinstein doesn't know was if it was not for the warrior mentality of the Christians he hates so much, who rescued his ancestors from the ovens of Bergen-Belsen and Auschwitz, Mickey Whine- [something edited out] wouldn't be here plaguing the United States of America. So I don't understand the mentality of liberals ... [yada, yada, yada ... liberals ... yada, yada, yada ... mental illness]."


Savage, of course, leaves out the little thing about the training quoting an infamous former Nazi as a moral authority, as mentioned above.

Here's the entire four minute rant:


Mikey Weinstein hates Christians? Tell that to MRFF's thousands of Christian clients, including the thirty-one Air Force officers who took a stand against this "Jesus Loves Nukes" missile training. All thirty-one of those officers were either Catholic or Protestant. In fact, 96% of MRFF's clients are Christians -- Catholics and mainline Protestants who are not considered by the fundamentalists to be the "right kind" of Christians.

He hates the military? Really? Mikey is an honor graduate of the Air Force Academy who comes from a military family with over 130 years of combined active duty military service, in every combat engagement since World War I, including a cousin who was so anxious to fight in World War II that left the country to join Britain's fabled RAF as a fighter pilot and flew for the British until America entered the war and he could fly for the Army Air Corps, shooting down four Nazi warplanes. The family tradition of military service continued with father, a 1953 distinguished graduate of the Naval Academy; both of his sons, his daughter-in-law, and his brother-in-law, all of whom are also Air Force Academy graduates; and his nephew, a highly decorated Marine gunnery sergeant who has done four combat tours, two in Iraq and two in Afghanistan. Saying that Mikey hates the military is as ridiculous as saying that you love liberals, Mr. Savage.

And, speaking of liberals, Mikey isn't exactly a liberal either, Mr. Savage. He's a registered Republican who worked as a legal counsel the Reagan White House, which you might have known if you'd bothered to do a bit of research on the man before spewing forth your little rant against him.

For those who want to see the entire "Jesus Loves Nukes" presentation for themselves, it's available on the Air Force's FOIA site, where documents that people have gotten with FOIA requests, which is how this presentation was obtained, are available to the public. There's no way to post a direct link to the documents, so here's how to get to it. Go to https://www.efoia.af.mil and click on the "FOIA Reading Room" link on the left side of the page. Select "Miscellaneous" in the drop down menu, and hit "Search." (Just leave the default asterisk for "Document Name.") The documents, titled "ICBM Training Material," will show up on the first page of the list, and you can download them as a PDF. The nearly 40-slide "Ethics" training PowerPoint begins on page 4 of the PDF.

 
 
 
 
 
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06:57 AM on 08/09/2011
I'm convinced Michael Savage is still a liberal, and he's playing some kind of joke on his listeners. He says outrageous and stupid things and laughs at how many loyal followers he has.
09:27 PM on 08/08/2011
As I Christian, I'm glad that the Air Force cancelled the course. Here's my take: http://www.christandpopculture.com/asides/citizenship-confusion-christian-ethics-in-air-force-training-and-the-authority-of-the-bible/
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robiform
if you're commenting, you DO care!
07:00 PM on 08/08/2011
Reading this post, especially the part about "Jesus Loves Nukes", I am reminded of General Jack D. Ripper, the character so wonderfully portrayed by Sterling Hayden in Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece "Dr. Strangelove".

No doubt General Ripper (with his fixation on purity) would have approved of "Jesus Loves Nukes" as well as the moronic comments by Michael Savage, who for some reason, doesn't want to use his real surname!
07:25 AM on 08/08/2011
One cause of this shameful debacle is many mainstream clergy don't want to become chaplains anymore, because they actually believe the "peaceful" stuff Jesus preached....
So that leaves right wing fundamentalist Christians who see no irony or hypocrisy in, say, praying to a supposedly peaceful God for victory over the enemy, and enemy who are also God's children...
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bessielil
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10:20 PM on 08/09/2011
Oh we will all burn together when we burn.
There'll be no need to stand and wait your turn.
When it's time for the fallout
And saint peter calls us all out,
We'll just drop our agendas and adjourn. --Lyrics by Tom Lehrer
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
05:14 AM on 08/08/2011
Mikey?

Perhaps a name with some dignity would aid in his cause.
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DEpley
Elitist, snobby, slut...who votes.
10:08 AM on 08/08/2011
Way to completely miss the point.
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leftyrock
student of the world, observer of the odd
03:30 PM on 08/10/2011
a rose by any other name...........
02:09 AM on 08/08/2011
Wouldn't you know it: all the great hawks are guys who have NEVER worn the military uniform of ANY country anywhere. They have never served, yet they feel free to savage those who have. And they actually claim that they are the true patriots. It's not all that hard to be a patriot hiding behind a web site and a radio show. These are the same clowns who attacked Max Cleland (a true decorated war hero) and supported Saxbe Chambliss (where do they get names like that?) - a true coward. The same thing happened to genuine war hero John Kerry when he ran against a candidate who never served beyond the great battles of Alabama - and couldn't even fulfill his obligations there (you may remember that man's name). And then of course there's Vice President "I had other priorities" when given the opportunity to serve his country. It's always the same - the guys with toupees on their chests thump and thump while the true heroes go out and defend their freedom to do so. It's pathetic. And it's wrong.
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Buckeye54
...the One your mom warned you about!
11:42 AM on 08/08/2011
I checked Michael Savage (Weiner)'s biography and of course he's never served in the military.

As a veteran myself, I love how so many of these hawks have never worn a uniform despite their opportunity to do so.

A few years ago I met Max Cleland and had the opportunity to shake his hand. He thanked me for my military service and I was so humbled to be thanked by this honest-to-God military hero.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
10:38 PM on 08/08/2011
Max Cleland is a NATIONAL TREASURE and the idea that he was savaged in an election is a travesty of democracy......
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bessielil
trying to organize hummingbirds
10:29 PM on 08/09/2011
That year I was living in GA, when Cleland lost based on his 'lack of patriotism' to an opponent who never served, but who played the assassin game of the GOP.

"Chambliss even ran a TV ad picturing Cleland with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. " Chambliss got deferments during the entire Viet Nam war. Bad knees. Football. Obscene.
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tonyg10
08:49 PM on 08/08/2011
You people have short memories. Let's try to remember what your hero(for another reason) Bill Clinton did to savage the war record of George H.W. Bush, during his campaign.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
10:40 PM on 08/08/2011
Read Family of Secrets, there is interesting material in that book about Father Bush's ditching his plane while 2 people were still in it..... and that October Surprise, it is for real......We can expect Jeb to come running in with some godawful ideas for this next election...
11:25 PM on 08/08/2011
Tonyg10, i don't know who "we people" are, but i have no love for Bill Clinton. And honestly, I don't remember Clinton savaging George H.W. Bush's war record. But if he did, it's just as despicable as what was done to John Kerry and Max Cleland (to name just a few). BTW, my short term memory is pretty much shot. And most long-term memories are barely worth remembering.
08:00 PM on 08/07/2011
This country has gone completely mad ! First, GOP presidential candidates that believe that God is calling them to run & now this ?
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ShinjiIkari
Do you understand how stupid it is to be afraid?
05:33 PM on 08/07/2011
Mr. Weiner should read history. Specifically, British history about the "Roundhead" Puritan revolution of the 17th century. As an attempt to overthrow the monarchy and institute a Protestant state in which laws were based on fundamentalist beliefs rather than the will of the people (most of whom were opposed to the Puritan bans on drinking, dancing, gambling, and theater).

There was a very real reason why the Founding Fathers didn't want a theocracy; they saw what a disaster it was in Britain. The fact that we have fanatics who still want to try it here and now shopws that the fanatics either don't know history, don't care about the little they know, or think that the only form of church-dictated government to worry about is Sharia. As long as there is a single findamentalist End-Timer in the Tea Party, the danger remains.
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SaulBloodworth
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06:00 PM on 08/07/2011
My two cents, I think people mix up the Founding Fathers and the guys from the Mayflower.
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ShinjiIkari
Do you understand how stupid it is to be afraid?
10:38 PM on 08/07/2011
Which is messed up. Historians like Adam Nicolson in "God's Secretaries" show how the Pilgrims were Protestant fundies who made themselves so obnoxious that they went to America because they were thrown out of Britain and the Netherlands. The Founders, OTOH, were Anglican, Presbyterian, Freemasons, atheists, Deists--they were NOT Southern Baptists. But the Baggerz will never admit this.
12:16 PM on 08/07/2011
So according to the fundamentalists, Jesus was misquoted in the New Testament?
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SaulBloodworth
Author of The Cabal
09:27 AM on 08/07/2011
""What Weinstein doesn't know was if it was not for the warrior mentality of the Christians he hates so much, who rescued his ancestors from the ovens of Bergen-Belsen and Auschwitz,

Actually, Auschwitz was liberated by the Red Army, i. e. the Bolshevics.
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Chris Rodda
02:25 PM on 08/07/2011
And Mikey's family was already in the United States long before WWII. They did have some relatives still in Europe, but none of Mikey's direct ancestors that would have prevented Mikey from being born if they had become victims of the holocaust.
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BlakKat
Godless Old Progressive
11:01 PM on 08/07/2011
Of course, people like Mr. Savage never let a little thing like facts stop them before
02:14 AM on 08/07/2011
Great article. Great organization.

I'm an Army brat, from a long line of Army brats. I find it disgusting that many officers now view proselytizing as their primary function. Yet every time I mention it to my father, a retired officer, he swears it would NEVER happen. I know that the Army was secular then, but it appears this is no longer true, but no amount of evidence will convince him it's true. Sigh!

And speaking of evidence:

"For those who want to see the entire "Jesus Loves Nukes" presentation for themselves, it's available on the Air Force's FOIA site,"

I get a message each like this from Firefox:

"Normally, when you try to connect securely, sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site's identity can't be verified.

What Should I Do?

If you usually connect to this site without problems, this error could mean that someone is trying to impersonate the site, and you shouldn't continue."

and when I try to continue, I get this:

I Understand the Risks

"If you understand what's going on, you can tell Firefox to start trusting this site's identification.
Even if you trust the site, this error could mean that someone is tampering with your connection. Don't add an exception unless you know there's a good reason why this site doesn't use trusted identification."

I've never had that happen before. Is there somewhere else I can get a copy?
09:02 AM on 08/07/2011
In the later versions of Firefox, they got serious about checking the certificates that web sites use. Most military sites are signed by the DoD, which Firefox does not recognize as a valid "signing" authority.

The certificates are valid, go ahead and add a exception.

Internet Explorer either doesn't care, or accepts DoD as a valid signing authority.
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Chris Rodda
02:27 PM on 08/07/2011
I get that on some military sites when I use Firefox. Just ignore it.
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TeamSanity
strong emotions don't equate strong arguments
01:40 AM on 08/07/2011
What really impresses me about this news story is that I first heard about it as I was going around the dial in search of the news a few days ago - not until five minutes after the report did I hear the call sign and realize I'd been listening to a Christian radio station, which surprised me because the reporting was utterly free from an ideological p.o.v. - it was just very much a dry, recounting of the news, no axe-grinding. So, if a Christian radio station can calmly report this news without taking sides or name-calling ....
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ReelBusy
I'm the Ghost of Hollywood Past
07:56 PM on 08/06/2011
Military/industrialists are so complex.
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Paul Baack
Knower of things, speaker of gibberish.
11:24 AM on 08/06/2011
As we progress even further into the 21st century, the Air Force -- the Air & Space Force, actually -- is going to become the most critical part of our national defense. It infuriates me, and sickens me, and *frightens* me to be continually reminded of the ongoing theocratic takeover of this important branch of government. Not that I'm complaining about being reminded; this urgently important news should be being reported, with urgency, in every part of the media.

What say our civilian control of the military? Congress? Mr. Commander-in-Chief? Why is this being allowed to happen?
02:58 PM on 08/06/2011
evangelicals preach that there will be a persecution of christians in the end times, and they are doing everything in their power to force that to happen, just another link in their chain.
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Paul Baack
Knower of things, speaker of gibberish.
04:43 PM on 08/06/2011
Very excellent point, and well made.

Fanned and faved.
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hmby42
Ears bleeding listening to Fox
09:39 AM on 08/07/2011
F&F also