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Chris Rodda

Chris Rodda

Posted: January 26, 2011 03:12 PM

The background: The speaker scheduled to appear at the U.S. Air Force Academy's National Prayer Luncheon on February 10 is former Marine Lt. Clebe McClary. The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), supported by a number of other organizations, both religious and secular, has demanded that the Academy rescind its invitation to Lt. McClary, and choose a more appropriate and inclusive speaker for this event. Why? Because of McClary's divisive and highly sectarian fundamentalist Christian message. As stated on McClary's website, "Clebe is what he likes to call a complete Marine. To him USMC will always mean U.S. Marine for Christ." Other statements from McClary make it clear that, to him, only born again Christians are "real" Christians. McClary's message not only excludes members of all non-Christian religions, but many Christians as well, making him a completely inappropriate choice for an Air Force Academy event that should be inclusive of members of all faiths.

Former Marine and Vietnam veteran Bobby Muller, the founder of Vietnam Veterans of America, had the following to say about the Air Force Academy's choice of Lt. McClary to speak at the Prayer Luncheon:

As a former Marine lieutenant who, like Lt. Clebe McClary, was severely wounded while leading a mission in Vietnam, I am appalled by my fellow Marine's statement that a "complete" Marine is one who likes to think that U.S.M.C. stands for "U.S. Marine for Christ." I am even more appalled that the United States Air Force Academy has invited someone with such a religiously divisive and sectarian message to speak at its upcoming National Prayer Luncheon, an event that should be inclusive of Airmen of all faiths.

Lt. McClary lost an eye and an arm; I lost the ability to walk. Countless other Marines, of all religions and no religion, have also suffered life-changing and permanent injuries in the service of our country. Lt. McClary dishonorably, not to mention illegally, appears in the uniform of a Marine before both military and civilian audiences, not with the message of "Once a Marine, Always a Marine," but a message of "Once a Marine, now 'a member of the Lord's Army.'"

Proselytizing and Christian supremacy have no place in the United States military, and I urge the Air Force Academy to reconsider its choice of Lt. McClary as the speaker for its Prayer Luncheon, and to replace him with a speaker who can deliver a message that is inclusive of members of all faiths.

-- Bobby Muller

-- Advisory Board member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF)
-- Founder and President for nine years of Vietnam Veterans of America, the only congressionally chartered veterans organization in the nation for Vietnam veterans
-- Nobel Peace Prize (1997), Co-Founder of the International Campaign to Ban Landmines (ICBL)


The Air Force Academy is, of course, denying that Lt. McClary is anything other than an entirely appropriate and inclusive inspirational speaker. According to the Colorado Springs Gazette:

An academy spokesman, Lt. Col. John Bryan, defended the choice of McClary and said the planned prayer gathering is optional and inclusive of a broad spectrum of religious views.

"Nobody is being forced or coerced to go to this luncheon," Bryan said.

Well, according to a USAF officer on staff at the Air Force Academy, speaking on behalf of himself and about a dozen officers there, Lt. Col. Bryan is lying. The officer who wrote the following to MRFF founder and president Mikey Weinstein is one of many current and former military personnel who have heard Lt. McClary speak on previous occasions, and can say from first hand experience that this speaker is most certainly not "inclusive of a broad spectrum of religious views," as Lt. Col. Bryan claims.

Subject: Lies, Lies and More Lies

Mr. Weinstein and MRFF, you do not know me but I am one of your clients anyway. I am one of your clients because I and many others here cannot breathe. We cannot breath one word of protest against the "serious committed Christian" bias that exists here at the Air Force Academy everywhere. I have run this e-mail message by another dozen or so officers here at USAFA to make sure that I can speak for them as well. And I can. One word or even one tiny action against "them" and you and your career are labeled as an "outsider." Lt. Gen. Mike Gould says he wants us all to have "fanatical institutional pride" in the Air Force Academy. He tells all of us that. The way it is here, no one understands unless they're here and tuned in enough to be aware of it all. Well, that "fanatical pride" is not considered proper unless it includes the right kind of "fanatical Christianity." What kind is that? Just the kind that is handed out by USMC Lt. McClary. I've heard him speak before and I know what he says and what he does to his audience. It made me sick then and will again when he speaks on Feb. 10 at the Falcon Club here at USAFA. Unless MRFF and your allies stop it from happening. If anyone of us beg to differ we're going to be hurt by the system here which is the people who are the "Christian" Christians. If that happens it's all over. I am also an Air Force Academy graduate and pilot. I am married with kids and my wife and I are Protestants but try to keep it very on the down low because we know we'd be judged poorly for not being "energetic Christians" as my boss likes to say. Like the time my boss asked me if Jesus was in control of my life or if I felt that I was the one in control and then gave me some literature from Focus on the Family as a "gift."

The leadership at the Academy LIES! Especially about you, personally, Mikey, and the MRFF. It has been made very clear to me and many others here by the leadership that you and MRFF are bad for USAFA and America. It is also been made very clear that we are expected to support USAFA by personally attending this "National Prayer Luncheon." I saw in the news that the Academy is trying to downplay this whole mess which the MRFF brought to the public by saying that it's "voluntary" to go to it and that this USMC Lt. is a just "motivational speaker" and that "nobody will be taking names." LIES! My USAFA boss and even his boss left it very clear that if we didn't go to this "patriotic Christian" event we'd be "letting him down." Seriously, "patriotic Christian" event? That says it all. Believe me please MRFF when I say that the names of the absent will very certainly be remembered. Am I going? In a word, hell yes. I have kids and need my job. I have been afraid to say anything to them for a very long time now. I've gotten good at hiding my hatred of it all. I'm used to it now. The feeling I have of being down for not standing up to the "energetic Christians" here is not as bad now as the feeling I would have of having my Air Force career derailed by a bad performance eval. You do not need to tell me what that makes me. I know what that makes me and I'm not proud of it. Thank you MRFF for fighting for those of us who have lost the will to fight. And in doing so lost a lot of our own dignity.

(Name, Rank, USAF Academy Staff position withheld)


In addition to the issues raised above, Lt. McClary also regularly violates Titles 10 and 18 of U.S. Code by appearing at his speaking engagements, both military and civilian, in a Marine uniform, something that, apparently, not a single military attendee at any of his numerous appearances on military bases has informed him is illegal.

Click here for MRFF's letter demanding that the Air Force Academy rescind its invitation to Lt. McClary, as well as the letters written by the other organizations supporting MRFF in its demand -- ACLU of Colorado, Veterans for Common Sense, Americans United, Veterans Today, Interfaith Alliance of Colorado, California Council of Churches IMPACT, Colorado Coalition of Reason, United Atheist Front, and The American Muslim.

 
 
 
 
 
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02:29 PM on 02/04/2011
There seems to be an idea floating around that in America we have civilian control over the military, such as the President as Commander-in-Chief. Well, maybe on paper, but in reality we have military control over civilians. The military gets all the money it wants, it continually generates waste, fraud and abuse and no one has to answer for it; it goes to war almost whenever and wherever it wants. The Pentagon is firmly in charge of foreign policy and the allocation of resources. The sooner the civilian populations wakes up and understands this the better.
11:12 PM on 02/02/2011
We need to start drawing a distinction between Christians and Christianists. A Christian follows his faith personally and humbly. A Christianist wants to use his faith to control others. Big difference.
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arachne646
No more hurting people--Peace
12:57 PM on 02/02/2011
Has anyone noted that freedom of religion is a better concept for a nation's military to advertise vigorously when it is trying to deny that its military is engaged in a "new crusades"? Obviously some branches of the military are motivated by just that type of "Christian evangelism" vs: if you can't "save" them, wipe 'em out. (same goes for cadets)

I apologize to my Evangelical brothers and sisters in Christ if I've miscategorized you here, but forcing people to behave the way you think a Christian should is not sharing the Good News, it's using your power to control people, the way the Romans did to Jesus.
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Pandoras Folly
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05:01 PM on 01/28/2011
the thing i really love about the marines and the thing I really dislike most abou them is they will do exactly what chain of command tells them to do. If Civilian command wants to change the culture all they have to do is change the guys at top and the top chaplins and give them explicite instructions for religous tolerance. 5 to ten years later boom change of culture. wouldn't work nearly as well in any other branch.
02:25 PM on 01/28/2011
What I find APPALING is that the Air Force Academy is sponsoring a Prayer Luncheon. If the local religious groups wish to get together and hold one for any cadet who wished to attend fine, but the armed forces (and their service academies) are government entities and should not be involved with religious activities. Where is the luncheon for the individuals who are not christian, or whose religions don't have prayer, or who do not belong to any relgion?
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Candi Cj Dubord Jensen
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11:54 AM on 01/28/2011
As a former Marine I find this APPALLING!! He better be replaced as a speaker! To be representing the Corps like that, I wonder when or if the leadership will step up and tell him to shut up! We are the United States Marine CORPS. The End. You don't get to change it!
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Pandoras Folly
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05:03 PM on 01/28/2011
Always loved the marines would have gone into their officer training program had I not been allergic to milk and red food coloring. Dang you common food allergies!!!!!

in all fairness they said i could join.....as long as I didn't tell them about my allergies.
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califson
Love my country, ashamed of my government
11:11 AM on 01/28/2011
Those in fox holes with bullets flying over head, who have seen the tragedy of battle, have a completely different out look on this issue than some of you HP posters.
02:18 PM on 01/28/2011
So then why doesn't every single soldier who has ever been "in fox holes with bullets flying over head, who have seen the tragedy of battle" suddenly become a born again evangelical? I know several atheists who , after muliple tours with the army rnagers or Marine forward units, still come home as atheists.
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Angel1999
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04:52 PM on 01/28/2011
So in other words, the USAF should be converting everyone? Are they also trying to converts the Muslims in the countries they are fighting in, actively proselytizing? Just askin'...

'Cuz all this time I though the job of the military was to protect us, not force religion on us...
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califson
Love my country, ashamed of my government
11:07 AM on 01/28/2011
MMM I wonder what General George Washington would say about this issue. Quote "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." Or U.S. Grant. " The Bible is the sheet-anchor of our liberties." or Thomas Jefferson quote, "Had the doctrines of Jesus been preached always as pure as they come from His lips the whole civilized world would not bave been Christian." Thomas Jefferson (Yes I well know Jeffersons life and story) I have to believe he would wonder how we lost our way as a nation to become so politically correct and forgetful of history.
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Chris Rodda
12:33 PM on 01/28/2011
MMM ... I wonder what General George Washington would say to historical revisionists making up quotes from him. Washington never said "It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible." This is a complete fabrication. And, I'd love to see a source for that Grant quote (other than a Christian website), as I can't seem to find it anywhere else. Seems a bit unlikely that Grant, who strongly advocated for a constitutional amendment prohibiting the teaching or funding of religion in public schools, would have said what you quote.
05:52 PM on 01/28/2011
Chris, I have found those quotes at a number of locations, but I have also found those who say it did not happen. Naturally if you are not a Christian you pick the source you wish to accept. Never the less there are many well documented sources and thousands of quotes from our past military leaders and founders that prove they were very much spiritual and mostly Christian. 29 of the 55 signers were actually ministers.
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Angel1999
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04:53 PM on 01/28/2011
Califson, didn't they have a code of honor in the military? You know, the kind that might suggest lying and failing to defend the Constitution wasn't a good thing? I have to wonder why you're violating all of that.
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Pandoras Folly
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05:04 PM on 01/28/2011
on other people. not us. silly
05:56 PM on 01/28/2011
??? Not sure of the point you are making, Is it rude, or is it possible that you are a bit uncomfortable? The post is true and the Constitution does not come close to addressing the issue in question except to say religion must be protected from government.
02:28 AM on 01/28/2011
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross."
- Sinclair Lewis
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
09:29 PM on 01/27/2011
Could anything be more dangerous than a military type who believes that God wants him to do everything that he does?
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califson
Love my country, ashamed of my government
11:08 AM on 01/28/2011
That my friend completely defines George Washington
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Angel1999
Microbiologist & Historian
04:54 PM on 01/28/2011
Except of course that you made up the quotes attributed to him to make him sound like he supported your position. Lying doesn't make up appear too honorable.
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thinkingwomanmillstone
great, green, globs of greasy grimey GOPerspeak.
07:41 PM on 01/27/2011
Is there any doubt that the increasing influence of the evangelical christians into the beauracracy of the military has had a detrimental effect on US foreign policy. Certainly our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are a crusade. If 9/11 had been perpetrated by the red brigade or beider meinhoff organizations or any other terror organization based in Europe or South America, we would have not started a war without cause. We would have not held Germany responsible for the actions of a small group We would have gone after the perpetrators not countries not involved in the attack.
01:45 PM on 01/27/2011
Eric Burdun once sang about military chaplains " Sky Pilot, how high can you fly? You'll never, never, never reach the sky!
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Ytrus
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09:52 AM on 01/27/2011
Both religion and the military expect the same qualities in their young recruits, so it's sadly not too surprising to read about this kind of stuff.
06:11 PM on 01/27/2011
the military does not require one to believe in an imaginary sky father, who created the world in 6 days, then had a child which he gave up for sacrifice to atone for your sins - and one that you ought to have a personal relationship with

not so similar
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thinkingwomanmillstone
great, green, globs of greasy grimey GOPerspeak.
07:37 PM on 01/27/2011
increasingly the military heirarchy demands that all troops believe in the imaginary sky father...that is the point of the article.
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Victoria Tripple
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09:38 AM on 01/27/2011
every post and every letter is still shocking to me. just how bad this is.........thank you for continuing to post these....i will continue to share them on facebook!!
06:15 AM on 01/27/2011
wow this is a shame