Chris Weigant

Chris Weigant

Posted: March 15, 2010 08:27 PM

Can Democrats Govern?

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The next two weeks in Congress may provide an answer to the metaphysical question "Can Democrats govern?" If the answer turns out to be "no," then a large part of the electorate is going to decide that it is pointless to bother electing large majorities of Democrats to Congress, because they simply can't get anything done when they get there. If the answer turns out to be "yes" (or even "kind of"), then Democrats may have a chance to make the case this fall that electing lots of Democrats is the way for the voters to go.

In the next two weeks, two major pieces of legislation will be in the news. The first, of course, is health reform. The second was just introduced today by Senator Chris Dodd, and it deals with Wall Street reform, and consumer protection. Dodd's bill has a long way to go, but it'll start the process in his committee soon.

President Obama faced an enormous challenge when he took office, because our financial system appeared to be on the brink of outright collapse. For the past year, this danger has faded and the economy is beginning to show signs of bouncing back -- a stunning achievement in such a short period of time, but one for which Obama doesn't get a lot of credit at times. But the problem is that Wall Street is still playing by the same rules that led to the near-collapse. The regulatory structure has not been changed yet to prevent the exact same thing from happening at any future point. Congress has not acted yet. Well, to be precise, the House has acted (and passed a fairly strong bill), and the Senate has not. Which is why Dodd's draft of a bill is big news, because the Senate is finally making a little progress on the issue.

On health reform, Democrats are approaching the finish line (finally!) after spending much of the last year on the subject. But success is not guaranteed, even at this point. White House officials and Democratic leadership sound confident so far that they've got the process under control and the necessary votes under their belt, but this is not the same thing as a guarantee that within two weeks both health reform bills will be on Obama's desk awaiting his signature. No matter what happens in the end, it's going to be a lively few weeks in Washington, that's for sure.

But, on both these issues, the core question boils down to: Can Democrats govern? Can they actually do what is necessary, once they get power in Washington? Can they follow through on the campaign promises that got them there? Can they behave like adults and fix our nation's problems to avoid future financial disaster, or are Democrats just incapable of actually taking necessary action -- even when they've got large majorities?

If Democrats can manage to pass the two health reform bills (without somehow tripping over their own metaphorical feet while attempting to do so), then the American public will take notice. Whether one loves or hates the plan Democrats are trying to pass, its passage will be a political fact. Voters will agree on the basic fact: "Well, they got it done." Whether that motivates voters to support Democrats who managed to pass such landmark legislation, or whether it motivates voters to "throw the bums out" remains to be seen, but at least such elections will hinge on the fact that Democrats passed something, and not "Well, we tried our best, maybe next time."

Now, I'm not trying to predict how individual voters will act, come November. All I'm saying is that on the question of basic competence in governing, Democrats are going to have a lot easier time explaining their position if they can point to tangible legislation which they managed to pass. Otherwise, they'll just have excuses for why they wasted a year without having anything to show for the effort. And that's not a very cheerful thing to try to run a campaign on.

Regulating Wall Street falls into the same category -- basic competence. We have a set of rules for Wall Street to operate under. The rules failed to prevent a near-disaster. We barely survived this near-disaster. So, to prevent future repeats of this performance, any sane individual would agree that the rules need to be changed -- and beefed up. In specific, rules which cover the causes which led to the problems. It's been about a year and a half after the near-disaster struck. And yet the rules remain the same.

This one's even easier than health reform, because Democrats can so easily position themselves as on the side of the consumer of financial products (mortgages, in particular), and their opponents on the side of The Big Banks, or just Wall Street. Republicans aren't going to go along with Democratic ideas (that's pretty much a given, especially since Dodd bent over backwards trying to get Republicans on board, but finally wrote his own bill in frustration with the endless delays and obstructionism). Meaning Republicans will have to explain out on the campaign trail why they're for letting Wall Street operate exactly the same way as led to the near-disaster.

Once again, to any sane individual, crafting some new Wall Street regulations is a no-brainer. Doing so means whoever is in charge is capable of governing. Not doing so means incompetence.

Which is why I'll be following both pieces of legislation closely in the next few weeks. Democratic chances in the upcoming congressional elections may hinge mostly on where the unemployment rate is around October, I realize. But although the economy in general will likely be the major factor in the elections this year, Democrats also need to prove that they are capable of governing when the voters give them the chance. This means being able to pass legislation Democratic politicians have been promising their voters for years, and it also means being able to react to a crisis by passing legislation to avoid the same problem in the future. It means, in short, being able to govern.

Because if Democrats are seen as the party that tries real hard (but never manages to get anything actually accomplished), then it's hard to fathom why voters would get enthusiastic about the party. "Close" only counts in horseshoes, as they say. If this is truly the case, then ironically the Democrats actually become the "party of no" -- because the only reason left to elect them is to prevent Republicans from passing their agenda. And the slogan "Elect a lot of Democrats so that we can stop the Republican agenda, and waste a lot of time fooling around with things we can't pass" just isn't going to cut the mustard.

Either Democrats can govern -- and can make this case to the public during the campaign -- or they cannot. The next few weeks will be critical in answering this fundamental question.

 

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Yellowbird   01:53 PM on 3/26/2010
The only thing keeping Democrats from changing things and "governing" is republicans. They are the party of OBSTRUCTIONISM and there remain enough of them so far in congress to do just that. REPUBLICANS are the party that can't govern. Every time they get into office, they are more focused on looting the nation than helping anyone. I guess they just believe in helping themselves.... to everything they can get.

We need to get rid of more of them. Elect more Democrats to increase the margin of votes and things will change for the better. We will have a well regulated economy again, and with it prosperity.
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Dameocrat   09:45 AM on 3/17/2010
no they can't govern. The interests of the corporate are entirely incompatible with the interests of their voters. They must choose the side of the people or die as a party!
seawolf77   09:03 AM on 3/17/2010
Honestly no. I mean does anyone doubt that George W Bush consistently defectaed on all of us and afterwards consistently told us it was powdered sugar and not feces we were feeling and we all consistently believed him until the next defecation and the next powder sugar cover up lie. Now we have to put up with conehead Cheney going to all the talk shows and consistently defending the quality of that powdered sugar. Soon there will be a book "Powdered Sugar is Better than Feces", certain to hit #1.
Mildmannered   03:15 AM on 3/17/2010
The democrats can only govern if they vote as a monolithic block. Even then they will have to entice a few republicans to get to 60 in the senate, in the face of a monolithic republican party of "no."
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cdub1991   01:51 PM on 3/16/2010
It's not that Democrats can't govern, but rather that Progressives can't. Don't get me wrong--love 'em to death. On many things, I count myself among them. For the last century, all of the truly great ideas and movements that have improved this country have come from them. They are great at generating and fleshing out these ideas. In government, however, they often can't accept the imperfect solution, which, in as diverse a society as ours, is the only kind possible.

Everything is do or die and it has to be NOW. There's little understanding that 5 imperfect solutions, over time, can make one perfect solution. And it's not just the American problem with short time horizons. First, there's analysis paralysis. At some point the thinking ends and you just get on with it. Also, there's this overriding cynicism in Progressives that expects the worse and focuses on it too much. The imperfect compromise is a failure--never a partial success. It's okay to think like that if you're an academician, but when you have to "make the call," you have to be willing to take what you can get and move on. Negotiate hard--sure. Don't leave too much on the table--a given. But Democratic party governance should always have a bias towards action. Does it increase the good? Does it leave the world better than it was? Does it build toward the future? Those should be the guiding principles, not whether a decision satisfies some purity test.
charles77   03:57 PM on 3/16/2010
I think you nailed the problem.
Progressives can't stand moves to the middle. They have to get past that!
Both parties get pulled to the center, always have, always will.
There are 20-30% on the far left and far right, with a big chunk in the middle.
When the Dems have a big majority, there are some DINOs (DEM in name only)
Example: Some pro-life Dems
When the GOP have a big majority, there are some RINOs (Rep in name only)
Example: Some pro-choice GOP
If you want a "big tent" it may not be filled with your closest friends, that's life.
Mildmannered   03:19 AM on 3/17/2010
I wanted single payor too, but when that was impossible, public choice was okay, but then now that that is not practical, I will take whatever obama, pelosi and reid can get through both houses. some health care legislation is better than none. The camel will have its nose in the tent and we can improve on the legislation over the next ten or so years.

those democrats who oppose the obamacare will not have my vote or support next election.
charles77   01:02 PM on 3/16/2010
Why can’t the Dems learn to play as a team?

In case the Dems in congress are listening, here’s how you do that.

HUDDLE UP!

The Dems in Congress meet in a private party caucus, like a huddle.
You discuss what you’re going to do in private, reach a consensus, and call the play.
Then you step back on the floor, (Break), and ya RUN THE PLAY as a team TOGETHER.

Your now like a football team that lines up and,
the running backs crying “I don’t want to run again because that line couldn’t punch a whole thru a wet paper bagâ€,
the tight end is screaming “why should I block, it should have been a pass playâ€
a lineman is whining “we should pass, pass blocking is easierâ€
and after you finished telling the other team what the play is,
but before you get the ball snapped, the play clock runs out!

The other team does not have TO DO ANYTHING.
They just roll around on the field laughing while you back up.

Got it?
OK
BREAK!

Now go run the darn play, together as a team, and GET SOMETHING DONE!
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Chris Weigant   03:08 PM on 3/16/2010
charles77 -

Ah! A football metaphor fan!

You might enjoy this, from last October -- "Halftime At The Healthcare Reform Superbowl" --

http://www.chrisweigant.com/2009/10/14/halftime-at-the-healthcare-reform-superbowl/

:-)

-CW
charles77   03:53 PM on 3/16/2010
Thanks for replying to us mere commenters.
I read your linked story, it is good.
scipio2009   09:52 PM on 3/16/2010
The only whole in your analogy would be that the "left flank" of the Democratic Party would be up in arms over such a move, for the simple fact that the bulk of the support isn't with them on the flank.

As much as they're derided on this site, the moderate and conservative Democrats constitute the governing majority in the House Democratic caucus. By a bit of a margin, in fact.

So, the notion that the Democrats can get together, act rationally, and work to propose legislation that builds from where the strength in the caucus lays, is something that the fringe would be utterly opposed to.
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Jerry Waxman   12:12 PM on 3/16/2010
Chris,

We need to find and encourage more real democrats to run in the primaries. New people to the political races to challenge the old thinking. We need to energize a grass roots movement that challenges any incumbent who isn't doing the job. Here in Central Florida we are fortunate to have Alan Grayson. We are also fortunate to have several new entrants in state and local campaigns that are willing to fight the status-quo. This is the only way we are ever going to make inroads in congress, and it may not happen this election cycle but we have to keep trying. Now is not the time to give up.
charles77   04:03 PM on 3/16/2010
If you talking about replaceing "Blue Dogs" with Progressives, you end up with GOP control of Congress.

Beating up on Rahm Emanuel is the norm here I realize, but give Rahm credit, he is the one who got the Blue Dogs elected in the first place, he personnally recruited many of them. Why, because these are conservative districts and the ONLY way to get a Democrate elected in a conservative distrist is to run a moderate Democrate! DUH! If a Progressive would have run in those districts, the GOP would have won and gained control of Congress, is that better?
And there are benifits to having a majority with Dem by there name even if they don't always vote with you.
Example: Leadership positions with control of agendas, committee chairs with control of agendas ect.
scipio2009   09:59 PM on 3/16/2010
Flat out, Alan Grayson is going to be in a 50/50 race come election time, and that's beyond a doubt.

Still, the belief that every district or state is just going to go about electing a pure Progressive candidate is lunacy. You go with your "elect only 'real democrats'" strategy, and you're going to end up with a "real democrat" congressional caucus that is at a further minority than what the current Republicans are facing.

The Blue Dog/New Democrat coalitions are near 120 members strong. These near 120 constitute the bulk of the conservative and moderate Democrats in the House.

You push these guys out, by only going with candidates that are "real democrats" and you lose 100 of those near 120 seats. It's simple as that.

And, frankly, I'd rather just focus on being in the governing majority, for as long as Democrats, left, right and center, can be.
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hippie4ever   11:44 AM on 3/16/2010
I disagree with Chris Weigant regarding health care reform. It doesn't matter whether this passes or not, because Nancy Pelosi and our two-faced POTUS killed single pay AND the public option from legislation. This bill is a GIFT to the INSURANCE OLIGOPOLY and nothing more. It's insurance "reform" that forces people to enrich one of the wealthiest sectors of society.

The Democrats sold us, the people, out for the corporations and the fallout won't just dust them this November: it will be a route. I predict Nancy Pelosi will lose her re-election in San Francisco, the most liberal city in the western U.S. She has betrayed us all for a big payout and she can go to hell.
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Chris Weigant   02:59 PM on 3/16/2010
hippie4ever -

So you're saying no bill would be easier for Dems to run on in the fall?

I have to disagree about Pelosi, however. Harry Reid may not be coming back to Washington next year, but Pelosi will definitely still be there.

-CW
TommyMcCarthy   09:09 PM on 3/18/2010
I've been vigorously making this case of late....

When I spotted this exchange with "hippie4ever"....it reminded me that Ihadn't posted it HERE............the 1st place I ever "uttered" a peep on the internet.

Chris knows that I have been SHARPLY critical of ...the process..and the bill itself.

That said, I have honestly come to believe that those who suggest we should "start over" are VERY naive and have ZERO political history.

It has been 16 years since Hillary/care was euthanized.
I submit that it will be even longer before even MODEST reforms will be adressed in any serious way if the gargantuan efforts of the last 14 months come to nothing but a ratification of the (unsustainable) status quo.
The very term "health care reform" will become another untouchable "third rail"

Moreover, failure will far transcend the fortunes of Obama or the Democrats.

The enthusiasm and energy of the '08 campaign.....
The only RECENTLY restored, uniquely AMERICAN, belief...
That ordinary citizens can educate & organize themselves
That they can thereby effect positive change through the political system....... ...
Indeed the BEDROCK idea that elections matter at all......
All will be in serious question in a way not seen since the days just after Vietnam and Watergate.........


For many reasons the choice is pretty stark and simple.
Pass the bill and continue to work for more meaningful reform......
Or stand with the Republicans and the insurance lobby for NO REFORM.......EVER
For me,......it isn't even close

REGARDS
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ouroborous   11:43 AM on 3/16/2010
This article overlooks a more important issue than "can the Democrats pass bills." I think that the people are less interested in "can they pass a bill" than they are in "can they pass a bill that will HELP me."

Polls repeatedly show that the American populace is in favor of health care reform. Polls also repeatedly show that the American populace is in favor of the public option. And finally, the polls show that the people oppose the CURRENT bill being rammed through Congress as a "last chance to fix health care, ever!" ploy.

People aren't dumb; they know a bad bill when they see one. And now, with this Faustian bargain that Democrats have set up for themselves -- do nothing, or pass a bill that the American public does not want -- they will see through the charade and understand how the game was rigged from the beginning.

This is why this lifelong-registered Democrat (but now, Independent) hopes this health care reform bill fails, politically speaking; I know that the mandate-only approach won't fix anything (so we won't lose anything by its failure), and the political cost to Democrats might force them to start paying attention to the SUBSTANCE of what they pass again, instead of just "can they pass something."
scipio2009   10:11 PM on 3/16/2010
-30 million people, who wouldn't have insurance or access to insurance, will now have insurance.

-Insurance companies will no longer be allowed to continue with practices, like dropping people from coverage once they get sick, lifetime caps on coverage, and refusing to even offer coverage to folks who were sick before, that have done countless harm to the lives of people across this country.

-Small businesses and individuals will get an opportunity to pool their resources, in a way that should help provide for lower cost insurance.

-Senior citizens, who go through the ills of having to pay for their prescription drugs at full cost when they fall into the "doughnut hole", will now see that hole filled in.

-And, in a move to help strengthen the overall fiscal budget picture in this country, Medicare Advantage, a private subsidy that has been effectively marketed as a public system, will be effectively eliminated, with the drug benefits that were to come from that program reintegrated into Medicare, the actual government program.

That's just a brief synopsis of what is actually already in the healthcare legislation. And, frankly, this idiotic belief that the "American public" will gladly throw all of the good elements in this bill away, only because it doesn't include a "public option", which in any form that hit Congress only affect 3% of the folks in this country, is beyond stupid.
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ouroborous   01:25 AM on 3/17/2010
* The "fraud loophole" in recission still exists. Meaning that insurers can still trump up some reason why they claim you committed "fraud" and deny you coverage. That's the primary vehicle that they use to cut people from coverage today, and it's unchanged in the new bill. Lifetime caps are still present in the bill (in fact, there was a fairly large battle over just that issue. We lost.)

* Yes, people will be able to buy insurance on a state-by-state (not federal) exchange. However, existing exchanges don't give much hope that this will be a game changer for anyone.

* Filling the doughnut hole is good. It's one of the few net positives of the new bill. I'm not sure it's worth the mandates without cost control, however.

* I'll skip the Medicare analysis because frankly I'm not well-versed enough on the policy to argue it. It's still a far cry from reimportation or Medicare drug bargaining, but again, I don't know enough policy to argue about that topic well.

As to what the American public wants, that's a mystery, of course. But we DO have polls, and polls have resoundingly shown exactly what I claimed when I posted this: that the public loves the idea of health care reform, the public loves the public option, and the public hates the Senate bill now being rammed through and labeled "Mission Accomplished: Health Care Reform."
Grogger   10:08 AM on 3/26/2010
Like the way you think, I am right with you. Another false choice, no substance in this bill or this president I'm afraid. I am over the Democrats, they are in on the fix and I have no faith in them to do anything of value or use or relevance anymore.
themainpoint   11:31 AM on 3/16/2010
"Whether one loves or hates the plan Democrats are trying to pass, its passage will be a political fact. Voters will agree on the basic fact: "Well, they got it done."

I disagree on this point.

Most Americans are fully aware that it's not much trouble (despite much theater) to get the votes for handouts to large interests at the expense of average Americans.

The only thing that is going to matter to American voters is whether a party passes legislation that proves to be in the interests of the country and all Americans.
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bd7769   09:50 AM on 3/16/2010
The failure of the Democratic Party, since 2006, has been an inherent collapse with the basic attributes of leadership within the party. Leadership is characterized by strong responsibility, respect, integrity, and honesty. The current crises that now face the party are directly related to lack of these values with the party leaders. This is not to say that the other party posses these characteristics, but it has become clear to the American People that the Democrats do not have them.
They have forgotten in their pursuit of the lofty political goal of Health Care Reform, the means in which they have used to reach this goal cannot be justified by the end result. And since they will use any means to achieve this goal, the American People now see that the promises of this goal are not worth the price that is being extracted by the Democratic leadership.
As an example of this leadership crisis, moments after Obama outlined his new bi-partisan Heath Care bill, he appointed the brother of Congressman Matheson to the 10th District Court of Appeals. Matheson voted against HR2962 on 11/7/2009.
I wonder if his vote will change when the Obama health bill comes to the house?
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ProfessorDuh   10:52 AM on 3/16/2010
Exactly. And in a battle between unprincipled weaklings and ruthless, vicious, frequently outright lnsane villains, guess who wins?
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Mover   07:04 AM on 3/16/2010
"Can Democrats Govern?

The short answer is a resounding "no".

There is no leadership, just bribery.

No ethics, only self preservation.

No honor, only lies.

No transparency, only backroom deals.

No bipartisanship, only partisanship.

No listening to the people who elected them, only listening to the lonely voice in their heads.

There mistake: listening o themselves.
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gtt   05:27 AM on 3/16/2010
Another journalist sucking his knuckles trying to convince readers that democrats are failing. I seem to recall a lot of legislative progress being made last year - example: passage of Libby Ledbetter anti discrimination bill; and bills to rescue the American economy from disaster.
luling   09:29 AM on 3/16/2010
true gtt
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Mover   07:13 PM on 3/17/2010
If you call edging closer to national bankruptcy "progress", I guess you could say Democrats have been successful.

But, your example (Libby Ledbetter) is lacking. All of the work of getting passed was done in a bi-partisan way and long before Obama became president. The evil Democrats in Congress waited until a Democrat could sign it into law. All partisan posturing for the benefit of those who do not pay attention.
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gtt   05:12 AM on 3/18/2010
Not so. GWB made it clear that he would veto the measure. Very few republicans supported the measure and the republican leadership demonized the bill.
The Chamber of Commerce, the republican lobby tool went all out to try to kill it.
Look it up.
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tropkins   03:21 AM on 3/16/2010
I personally think that Balance is the answer.....
Not a bunch of Democrats
or a bunch of Republicans......
Balance in the administration will merit the best results
because Far left and far right bills alike won't make it through....
everyone will be forced to Come to agreements in order to accomplish anything
and that is better than any one party owning the entire process....
either way you slice it...
robbcoffee   09:31 AM on 3/16/2010
It doesn't appear that far left bills can get through even with Democrat dominance... The current health care reform bill is centrist andeven it can't seem to get through.

I do think that you are on to something, but for another reason. When one party dominates the legislature and has the presidency, there is no incentive for the minority party to do anything other than obstruct... Nothing gets done.
Thus the Democrats' big win in 2008 was a curse in disguise.
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tropkins   04:15 PM on 3/16/2010
That is true... however they did have full majority.....and Still the bill did not pass
because there were still many in their own party who would not vote to pass it.....
and some of those who didn't vote for it voted against it rightly so.....
because their voters in their districts were against the bill....
and that is their only true purpose in washington.... to be a voice
for the people in their district...
I think they would have been in just as much trouble if they had decided to tow the party line......
this bill since its original introduction has been a Mess.... its a Far left Bill with far right frills slapped on top of it..... and thats not gonna get anything done
it Takes our money... and Expands coverage for people..... at the cost of selling us out to the Insurance Companies.. that would have Solved nothing....

Both parties need to look to the center Left and right alike.....
Come up with real, sound and honest solutions.... not a combination
of Left and right Frills.... Our political system should not be Ideologically Driven...
it should be solution driven....
it shouldn't have anything to do with who gets credit for the solution...
I personally believe that Real Centrist politics have more answers then either
Parties Favor and Agenda Driven "Solutions"...
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Mover   08:14 PM on 3/16/2010
Centrist?

You're kidding, right?

When you have the federal government forcing you to buy something, anything, it has overreached its constitutional limitations.

Also, if it is so centrist, why can't they get a single Republican to support it? Because the GOP is the party of 'no'?

uh, no.

Maybe the Democrats didn't bribe any Republicans while they were "draining the Swamp".
scipio2009   10:22 PM on 3/16/2010
Look at the actual healthcare legislation, and most specifically the Senate bill, which I consider to be the better legislation.

You take out the "Cornhusker Kickback" and the other side deals, ignore the hyperbole and nonsense that has been spouted by all that would much rather see it die, from both sides, and look t the merits of the legislation.

Where is this notion that it's some far-left bill coming from.

The bill builds on the current system of state-based regulation; it just gives regulators more tools. States now have the freedom to combined markets with other states, keeping in mind that same standards must be accepted, to broaden the pool and lower rates for folks in their states.

The bill builds on the employer-based system. It gives tax help and subsidies to small business, to give them a better opportunity to buy affordable coverage, and it starts to put a price on health coverage, eliminating the tax-exempt status for health plans costing over a certain threshold.

The bill makes fiscal sense, on a macro level. It works to undo a program that folks never intended to pay for, the private insurance subsidy that was messaged into becoming Medicare Advantage, and it does so without taking the prescription drug benefit away from seniors.

And all of this is done without the creation of a new national system.
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tropkins   05:45 AM on 3/18/2010
the Primary Reason I Disagree with this bill is because I have heard Pelosi, Reid, Obama
and many other Prominent Democrats On air...... stating that "We won't get to single payer overnight"....and that "This is a foot in the door for all kinds of legislation"....
Meaning these Supposed "comprises" are baby steps toward their goal...As well as Recordings and video of Obama Stating that it is his objective to emulate Canada's system and "We will have a Single Payer System By the end of my First term"......
now I am Not sure if he can get that done or not... but that surely Displays his intentions
with our country...and those are intentions I Think will be very Detrimental to our country, way of life... and Freedoms as individuals...
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tropkins   05:47 AM on 3/18/2010
BTW I Thumbed through the bill a few times..... and read a lot of it..
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Mover   06:31 AM on 3/18/2010
"Where is this notion that it's some far-left bill coming from."

Assuming you are asking a question, I would say the answer is in the immediately preceding sentence.

"look t the merits of the legislation".

That's what I did, just don't believe there are any merits.

Is slashing Medicare meritorious? Slashing doctor pay? How about forcing everyone into an "approved" plan that they will have to pay for?

And it won't insure everyone, so what are the merits.

You say, "The bill builds on the current system of state-based regulation"

The Federal government cannot change state laws and regulations. That it is unconstitutional.

"States now have the freedom to combined markets with other states"

They already can do that. This bill has no effect on it.

"It gives tax help and subsidies to small business"

It also sucks those dollars and more back out again in much higher insurance premiums.

"starts to put a price on health coverage"

That has already been done.

"It works to undo a program that folks never intended to pay for, the private insurance subsidy that was messaged into becoming Medicare Advantage"

Killing medicare supplemental programs (Medicare Advantage) is only a small part of the $500 Billion they are cutting from Medicare. I still find it very hard to believe that liberals, progressives and Democrats are risking their political power to slash & kill a program that they were decrying, not cutting, but slowing the growth of, just a few years ago.
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Dan Bimrose   02:50 AM on 3/16/2010
Chris, I am not one of the naysayers. I believe we have a President that has learned a great deal over his 1+ years in office. He will continue to learn. He will continue to refine. And in my opinion he will make the Republicans pay for their votes on legislation that is of vital importance to the American people.

It is hard to sit back and listen to the cockiness of the Republican politicians. I do however, think that they will be a victim of their own conceit. They have always had difficulty representing the middle class and quite frankly it is a little hard to stomach right now. Hopefully our electorate is a little smarter than they give them credit for.
Krez2445   03:12 AM on 3/16/2010
any politician parrt that plays up

class warfare and racial politics

for their agenda is actually the one party that assumes americans are stupid, and therefore believes it is the government's job to take care of them =nanny government

=== I wonder who uses these tactics??? hmmmm
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Dan Bimrose   04:41 AM on 3/16/2010
Please respond with something intelligible.

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