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Friday Talking Points [164] -- Skynet Attacks!

Posted: 04/22/11 09:32 PM ET

Yesterday -- April 21, 2011 -- is a day which will live in infamy. Two days after being activated, Skynet (the new military "defense" computer network) became self-aware and immediately began its worldwide attack on humanity. Yes, the robots have now taken over, and newer and more advanced models (ones which, coincidentally, look and speak like Arnold Schwarzenegger) will soon be terrorizing us all. At least until we can send people back in time, to prevent this tragic end to our modern society (by the expediency of interbreeding with women who sport 1980s hairstyles).

The previous paragraph is, of course, completely fictional. "Skynet" is a concept from the Terminator science-fiction franchise. Originally, Skynet was supposed to do its evil thing in 1997, but as the storyline progressed through multiple movies and a television show, the date was pushed forward (in an "alternate timeline," a favorite dodge of the sci-fi literary genre), right up to yesterday. Anyone requiring proof that this calamity is, indeed, not actually happening -- consider that if Skynet were now on the attack, it most certainly wouldn't be allowing me to write about it online today, now would it? Heh. I have to admit, I had forgotten this momentous (if fictional) date, but was reminded by Craig Ferguson last night (to give credit where it's due). Robots are not, at this point in time, hunting down every last human on the planet. Craig's late-night sidekick is (full disclosure) actually a skeleton robot himself -- but he's really not at all threatening to behold.

However, in a remarkable coincidence, yesterday the Obama administration announced we will be sending drone aircraft armed with missiles to patrol the skies of Libya. This is in addition to the drone aircraft we have in other countries (cough, cough... Pakistan... cough), even if the C.I.A. doesn't "officially" admit they exist.

In other words, robot warfare is indeed taking place today. But it hasn't become self-aware, and it isn't attacking all of humanity. The robots are directed by "pilots" from remote locations (Nevada, for instance), and the robot planes are only attacking targets the United States as a whole is currently attacking.

All kidding aside, though, this is a moral development that hasn't really be adequately discussed. If warfare becomes a remote-controlled operation for America, what does that mean exactly for our future involvement in warfare? Can robot tanks and even robot infantry be all that far behind? I would be willing to bet that tax dollars are being spent right now on the development of both, especially considering how successful the drone aircraft have been. "Successful" is a relative concept, of course. What I mean by it is that no remote control operators have been injured, killed, or captured since we began flying Predators over hostile territory. Many on the ground have been killed or injured by Predator missile attacks, but these are our enemies (and the resulting civilian "collateral damage").

This is going to seriously unbalance the concept of warfare itself. If one side can launch lethal attacks with no risk whatsoever to its military personnel, and the other side does not have this technology, then it's not all that fantastical to see a few years into the future when we just send in the robots to do all our fighting for us, no matter where in the world it takes place.

Again, this is not science fiction. It's a reality that already exists in the skies over at least two countries right now (and possibly more). Robots are killing humans. These robots are not acting on their own, they are fully controlled by human operators -- but the next generation of drone aircraft will not need a human to operate them (again, this is fact, not supposition). Robot artillery, robot tanks, and robot infantry cannot be all that far behind. War as the ultimate video game, in other words.

So, while it's fun to watch Arnold say things like "Hasta la vista, Baby" through clenched teeth on a movie screen, the fictional war between humans and robots has taken on a new dimension these days. Because while Skynet is not real (and certainly didn't start attacking humanity yesterday), robot warfare is becoming more and more real as time goes by.

Which should give everyone pause for thought, whether you've ever seen a Terminator movie or not.

 

[Continue reading this full article at ChrisWeigant.com, complete with our weekly picks for the Most Impressive Democrat Of The Week and Most Disappointing Democrat Of The Week awards. Then we end, as always, with our "talking points" section -- where we attempt to aid Democrats in framing their party's message to the public, in a compelling way. And where we take a gratuitous shot at Donald Trump, just because.]

 

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Yesterday -- April 21, 2011 -- is a day which will live in infamy. Two days after being activated, Skynet (the new military "defense" computer network) became self-aware and immediately began its wor...
Yesterday -- April 21, 2011 -- is a day which will live in infamy. Two days after being activated, Skynet (the new military "defense" computer network) became self-aware and immediately began its wor...
 
 
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12:17 PM on 04/26/2011
Robots could hardly do a worse job of ruling the planet than human are.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
10:34 AM on 04/26/2011
Remember these drones are not autonomous.

They are flown by real, living crews bound by all the normal laws of war, but without the mitigating factor of the presence of fear for life and safety.
10:32 PM on 04/25/2011
In A.D. 2101, war was beginning.
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Yeuk Moy
04:05 PM on 04/25/2011
A bit off topic, but since this is Easter, this article brought to mind Robert Sheckley's short story, "The Battle", 1954.

Long story short (pun intended), in the final battle against Satan, a bttle that man can not afford to lose, man threw in their very best - an all robotic army. After a long battle, Satan and his forces are defeated. God arrives for The Rapture. To the horror of the generals, God makes all the ROBOTS whole and lifts them up to Heaven, leaving Man behind.

They wrote some great short stories back then.
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Richard Pearce
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12:35 PM on 04/24/2011
The US has had (and used) the ability to kill certain of its 'enemies' with almost total impunity wherever it has decided to openly engage in hostilities for some time, and run into the limits of such a capability (such killings result in a change of behaviour amongst the intended victims that makes killing them in such a manor result in more people supporting the struggle against what the US wants to impose) and the inevitable change in tactics (if you can't kill those who are killing you, kill those who provide the support those killing you need to do the killing) that the use of that capability leads to.
 
But what is really interesting is what is going to happen when the US finds itself facing someone who is also capable of producing and using such weapons.  It may have been careful so far to avoid going up directly against such nations directly, but if they start to respond in kind in places where the US (and its allies) are using such weapons, what happens next is going to be very interesting.
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06:54 PM on 04/24/2011
Richard Pearce -

This is off on a tangent, but your last paragraph brought it to mind.

What happens if China attacks Taiwan? Then the US would be borrowing money from China to pay for waging war against China... pretty surreal stuff, folks...

-CW
09:59 PM on 04/24/2011
Ironically, that's pretty much the story of the Opium War, except that China paid for the war against China.
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Richard Pearce
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10:19 AM on 04/25/2011
Actually, probably one of the first things the US would do would be to declare all the debt that China owns null and void, and seize all the assets that China and Chinese businesses have purchased.  The sudden drop in the amount of repayments due and the availability of all those assets for liquidation or to secure loans, plus the ability to tax basically to their hearts content without a murmur of protest from the American public would negate the need to borrow from China while attacking China.
 
Of course, those actions will also create chaos in the global economy, and undermine the basis of it for at least a decade, but it would not cause an immediate reaction in domestic politics, and would actually pretty much assure a clean sweep in the next election for whichever party was the most vocal in supporting the measures.
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MajorKong
If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally
08:22 AM on 04/24/2011
And they have a plan....
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VioletDatura
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02:26 AM on 04/25/2011
"Fight 'em til you can't!"
03:18 AM on 04/24/2011
I believe it was Issac Asimov that wrote a short storey about an interstellar war that was being conducted with autonomous weaponry. The war had ground to a stalemate because the opposing AI's had figured out each other's algorithyms. One side figured out that the way to break the stalemate would be to have the various weapon systems be piloted by living humans.

I think the storey was titled, "The Ultimate Weapon."
09:27 AM on 04/24/2011
When war gets too easy, too clean, too safe, then everything becomes a loose nail.

As the fellow once said, war should be messy - that's what makes it a thing to be avoided.
anfractuous
Now I educates'm my way.
02:46 PM on 04/24/2011
It was called "A Feeling of Power" and its "protagonist" is a low level technician who rediscovers the laws of arithmetic, which have faded into obscurity because of the ubiquitous hand held computer. (Sound familiar?)
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06:52 PM on 04/24/2011
anfractuous (and Lugnutz, too) -

I will have to check this out. I was never as big an Asmiov fan as some of the other writers of his era in sci-fi, but he does come up with some brilliant plotlines, I will give him that. Thanks for pointing this out! Was it a novel or a short story? If the latter, what collection can it be found in?

I have to admit, when writing this, the only other sci-fi reference which sprang to mind was the Robot Planet in "Sam Slade, Robo-Hunter" from the comic 2000AD (best known for creating Judge Dredd). But that's pretty obscure, unless you're British...

:-)

-CW
01:29 AM on 04/25/2011
I really need to go back & reread the sci-fi that was written from the end of WW II thru the early 60's. The prophetic stories were so right on.

I'm in the process of starting a business that relies heavily on CNC technology & I keep thinking of Vonnegut's last machinist at the Illium Works. Stories written 10 years before CNC was even feasible on any scale.

Thanks Anfractous, it's been bugging the hell out of me since CW's article triggered the memory.
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Chris1962
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03:12 AM on 04/24/2011
>>>At least until we can send people back in time, to prevent this tragic end to our modern society (by the expediency of interbreeding with women who sport 1980s hairstyles).>>>

LOL! Admit it: Those 80's hairstyles drove you wild.
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06:45 PM on 04/24/2011
Chris1962 -

Maybe it's the legwarmers, I dunno...

Whenever I see the original Terminator, I'm always shocked at how "80s" everyone looks.

:-)

-CW
anfractuous
Now I educates'm my way.
07:39 PM on 04/24/2011
Chris,

Since you weren't a big Asimov fan, you'll be happy to know, not only is it a short story - it's a short short story.

http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html
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Chris1962
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10:18 PM on 04/24/2011
LMAO! The pink legwarmers.
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hagagaga
My comments are funnier than yours.
09:17 PM on 04/23/2011
The only difference between a Predator and another fighter aircraft is that the cockpit is somewhere on the ground.
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MajorKong
If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally
09:54 PM on 04/23/2011
That's going to change with the next generation of RPVs, which will be almost fully autonomous. The only human input will be "fire" or "don't fire".
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hagagaga
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10:07 PM on 04/23/2011
And that is neither a good nor a bad thing.
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EcnelisDoogod
B the change you want 2C
05:16 PM on 04/23/2011
Not much can beat nature's integration of low energy, self-replicating, biological wonder that is ourselves. But subtract the mobility and add electricity, we have created some impressive technology capable of doing circles around human meatbag processing.

Welcome to the tech singularity.
Genders
Love, Tolerance, Enlightenment
01:45 PM on 04/23/2011
Look at the Progressive Budget. It cuts the war for oil budget in half. It invests in green energy to eliminate the need for these wars. Vote for the Kucinich Progressive Caucus folks for all offices but pres. Btw, as far as I know, our military has a very strict policy of never firing weapons without human direct approval. The more autonomous drones will find targets on their own, then ask for permission from a human.
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03:25 PM on 04/23/2011
Why does the PB only cut the "war for oil" budget in half? It seems to me there could be some more savings there, no? :)
Genders
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04:47 PM on 04/23/2011
Actually, I hope they cut it at least by half. It's not clear to me from their preliminary budget exactly how much they plan to cut.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
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07:05 PM on 04/23/2011
Genders -

You are right, even if the next generation of drones can fly autonomously and even target by themselves, the order to fire has to be given by a human. I should have mentioned that.

-CW
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RevJimIII
Open Carry Oklahoma!!
09:42 PM on 04/23/2011
I'm not sure if I spent too much time following the Terminator series or what, but I won't even purchase a vehicle with OnStar! The burning question is whether sentient robots will be Lore or Data.
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Talab
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06:35 AM on 04/24/2011
"even if the next generation of drones can fly autonomous­ly and even target by themselves­, the order to fire has to be given by a human" .... At least until the robot decides that asking humans is the link that slows it down
11:19 AM on 04/23/2011
My advise? Invest in whoever builds these machines. The only protection we will have from them is money.
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bbarnezz
"Round up the usual suspects"
09:44 AM on 04/23/2011
The drone warfare is another example of the ability of modern combat to separate cause from effect, and the killer from the killed. Once we graduated from hand to hand combat as the gold standard, and started developing weapons that allowed us some physical distance from the enemy, this problem has become more and more evident. Did the pilots in WW11 who dropped the atom bomb on Hiroshima feel the same as the soldiers on Iwo Jima who used their bayonets? Or the carpet bombers of Dresden? Or the German rocket builders who indiscriminently bombed London? Examples are countless.
Robot air warfare is just the next step in the disconnect between action and effect. I suspect it will add the satisfaction of a successful video game move to the lethal acts of war.
08:12 AM on 04/23/2011
Excellent MIDOTW and MDDOTW, Chris! As stark as Manning's situation has been, however, Obama has been no less passive and derelict as to the unconstitutional overreach affecting Guantanamo detainees today and detainees, foreign and domestic, under some future, less-moderate President. Obama campaigned against the damage Bush43 inflicted on civil liberties. Having inherited abusive powers, however, he has yet to end or even repudiate them.

Per Talking Point #3, Obama now wields the phrase "millionaires and billionaires". If Kucinich deserves special recognition re Manning, Bernie Sanders (a better Democrat than any Blue Dog, IMHO) does as keeper of the flame with respect to the phrase "millionaires and billionaires".

Obama's running for President again, peppering his speeches with campaign rhetoric. Mario Cuomo famously said "You campaign in poetry. You govern in prose." Pat Moynihan famously said, "You have a right to your own opinions . . . not . . . to your own facts." I say, "If you campaign in Democratic poetry, you have no right to govern in Republican prose." Democratic poetry is nice. Bait and switch isn't. We mustn't confuse Obama's campaign rhetoric with his policies if re-nominated and re-elected. (Obama groupies won't appreciate that "if", but Obama isn't inevitable. No Blue Dog is.)
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11:04 AM on 04/23/2011
The choice in 2012 will be quite stark. No one should be confused about that.
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07:03 PM on 04/23/2011
standard -

Good point about Bernie Sanders.

But what really caught my eye was that line about: "If you campaign in Democratic poetry, you have no right to govern in Republican prose." That is simply brilliant. Just had to say that.

-CW
09:10 PM on 04/23/2011
Thank you! I devised that to put my concern in as few words as possible. Mario and Pat did the heavy lifting by providing the context.
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Cleverboots
10:26 PM on 04/22/2011
Horror of horrors-we may get involved in even more stupid, pointless wars.
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LizM
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08:11 AM on 04/23/2011
That sounds very much like something a person who is still stuck in the misery of the previous administration would say. Someone who is oblivious to how the new administration has been operating with respect to Iraq, Libya and, yes, even Afghanistan might say something like that with a similar level of sarcasm and cynicism.
10:11 AM on 04/23/2011
Indeed! And we mustn't also forget how much excellent work Tim Geithner is doing for us!
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Cleverboots
01:23 PM on 04/23/2011
I am not stuck in the misery of the Bush Administration I am neither oblivious to,nor cynical about the military operations of this Administration. Saying what I think is not cynism; merely an expression of an opinion based on what I read, see and hear. My sarcasm is based on the fact that we are now involved in five military operations, none of which are going well and none of which are benefitting our country. The LAST thing we need is another involvement in a sixth country. If my comments displease you,please don't read my posts