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Posted: August 4, 2010 08:25 PM

Obama Poll Watch -- July, 2010

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President Barack Obama has reached the first crossover point of his presidency, where his job approval numbers with the public are lower than his disapproval numbers. This is not exactly good news for Obama fans, especially heading into a midterm election.

For five months, Obama was holding his head above water, metaphorically, and charting extremely stable polling numbers where his approval was slightly above his disapproval. This trend has now ended, and a new trend is emerging -- downwards for the president. What's even more ominous is the fact that this trend seemed to accelerate dramatically at the end of July, meaning August may be even worse for Obama.

After taking a quick look at July's numbers, we're going to attempt to put this into some sort of historical perspective by taking a look back at where other presidents first reached this crossover point in their presidencies, without drawing any sweeping conclusions (other than: "don't attempt to draw sweeping conclusions"). If at any time, while reading the rest of this, you get too depressed to read further, I would suggest skipping down to the last historical section and at least giving that a chance.

With that warning having been given, let's take a look at this month's chart for Obama:

Obama Approval -- July 2010

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July, 2010

I'm going to keep this mercifully short, because the last section today is going to take up some room.

July was not a good month for Barack Obama's approval numbers. After showing remarkable stability for the previous five months, in July Obama lost more ground than he's lost since February, when he entered into his stable period. Obama charted "worst" numbers in every category this month, figured both daily and monthly.

July had some political successes for Obama, but the public once again didn't give him any credit for passing Wall Street reform, or any of the other achievements Obama chalked up. Obama, during this time, was drawn into a fracas in Arizona over immigration which has political repercussions both in the short term and the long (short term: good for Republicans -- long term: good for Democrats). The volcano of oil in the Gulf was shut off, and the spill seems to be a lot less worse than it could have been (which isn't saying much, since it's officially "the worst ever"), but none of this helped Obama much.

By the numbers, Obama dropped a full percentage point last month in approval, to wind up with 46.6 percent. His disapproval rose a bit less than this, to 47.4 percent, an increase of 0.7 percent for the month. This puts him officially 0.8 percentage points "underwater." As I mentioned, for approval, this was Obama's worst month since February. Over the past two months, Obama's approval has fallen a total of 1.5 percent, while his disapproval rose 1.9 percent. Not exactly a happy trend for Obama fans.

 

Overall Trends

But there's even more bad news ahead, likely.

Obama charted new "worst ever" marks across the board this month. In terms of monthly numbers, both approval and disapproval were his worst ever. But in terms of daily numbers, it's even more chilling. Obama's approval hit a high of 47.6 percent in the middle of the month, but he ended the month on a serious low, at 45.3 percent -- almost a full percentage point lower than his last "worst daily" number. And -- again, ominously -- on the last day of the month, Obama also posted a daily high disapproval rate of 49.8 percent, which is a whopping 1.8 percent higher than his previous "worst daily" number, which he hit last month.

Looking at Obama's daily chart (at RealClearPolitics.com), you can easily see that Obama hit a point on about July eighteenth, and his numbers have been in a pretty steep slide ever since.

But I've saved the really grim bit for last (sorry). Because this month is August. And Augusts, to put it mildly, haven't been very kind to Obama. He's got some sort of Augustine Jinx happening, or something. Two years ago, August was "Reverend Wright" month for Obama on the campaign trail. Last year, August was "death panel" month at the town hall meetings from Hell. As always during August, Congress is about to flee Washington for better climes, meaning nothing will get done for the rest of the month (after this week).

What this means is nothing but politics, hot air, and midterm campaigning all month long. And, as I said, so far August seems to be the cruelest month for Obama. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, but that is indeed where I see things at this point.

 

Crossover Point Historical Comparison

To put Obama's bleak milestone last month into some perspective, I wondered what other modern presidents' records were like. When (I asked myself) did the others face this first crossover point in their presidencies?

The results were a bit surprising. From Eisenhower forward, here is what I came up with (in order of impressiveness):

Eisenhower -- (never)
Kennedy -- (never)
Nixon -- 53 months into his presidency, in June 1973
G.W.Bush -- 40 mo., May '04
Johnson -- 37 mo., Dec. '66 (or 45 mo., Aug. '67)
G.H.W.Bush -- 36 mo., Jan. '92
Obama -- 18 mo., Jul. '10
Carter -- 16 mo., May '78
Reagan -- 15 mo., Apr. '82
Ford -- 5 mo., Jan. '75
Clinton -- 4 mo., May '93

But since you know how we love charts around here, I tried making this more graphically interesting. Here's what I came up with (comparison of all presidents' approval/disapproval charts, up to the point where their lines first crossed over):

Historical Crossover Comparison (lines)

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This, I fully realize, is kind of hard to understand, due to the "busy" nature of the data. So I went back and tried again. This time, I kept Obama's lines and added just the point where previous presidents have hit the crossover. This makes it a lot easier to understand. The bottom axis is in months, not counting the first month they were in office (February, 2009 would be Obama's "month 1" on this chart, in other words), and I added some numbers to the scale to make it easier to read.

Historical Crossover Comparison (points)

[Click on graphs to see larger-scale versions.]

This strips away all but the essentials, making it easier to compare Obama's record to his predecessors' records. But, if you're interested in further details on any of these presidential approval ratings, please visit ObamaPollWatch.com for each president's actual charts (both standalone and compared to Obama).

The first thing that really jumps out at you here is that the presidents fall into four (or possibly five) distinct groups. The first of these groups is the "quick to disappoint" group, hitting crossover less than six months into office. The second group I would call the "slow to disappoint" group, where their approval ratings took about a year and a half to slide slowly to crossover. The third group all (significantly) had an external event to boost their ratings, and they didn't hit crossover until at least three years into their presidencies. One of these is almost in a class by himself, as his crossover point didn't come until after his second term started. And the fourth group never hit crossover at all, and wasn't even included on the chart. The lowest approval rating John F. Kennedy ever hit was 56 percent, and his highest disapproval 30 percent, shortly before he was assassinated. But the real champion in this competition is Dwight D. Eisenhower who survived two full terms without ever falling below 50 percent approval, and whose disapproval rate never even approached 40 percent. Meaning everyone, pretty much, did "like Ike."

Moving from left to right on the chart, the first two (almost immediate) crossover points are Bill Clinton and Gerald Ford. Clinton, elected in a three-way race with less than 50 percent of the popular vote, never even hit 60 percent approval in his post-inauguration "honeymoon," and quickly slid to a worse position in the polls than Obama finds himself in today. Clinton's first term, as measured by public opinion, was so eclectic that at this point in his presidency, he was about to slip underwater for the second time.

Ford, of course, inherited the presidency in the middle of a term, when Nixon resigned. And then Ford pardoned Nixon. Sending his approval rating plummeting. Ford, just like Clinton, did recover in the polls, but by this point in his presidency he was (as Clinton would be next month) underwater for the second time.

The next grouping on the chart has two members in it other than Barack Obama. Ronald Reagan faced similar economic gloom in his first two years of his presidency as Obama has, and his poll numbers reflect this. Reagan's party lost a huge amount of congressional seats in his first midterm, and then Reagan went on to win a second term after the economy bounced back. Jimmy Carter did not fare so well. Carter went into cycles of being underwater in the polls and struggling above water, until he finished his presidency well below the waterline, and lost to Reagan in 1980, ending up a one-term president.

Obama's chart can be compared to either Reagan's or Carter's, at this point, since they are all three very similar. Obama is in a better place at this point in his presidency than either Reagan or Carter, but not by a whole lot in either case. But I'll save conclusions for the end, here.

The next grouping all had a somewhat-artificial boost in their poll numbers at some point during their first term. Both Bushes marched us off to war in the Middle East, and reaped a "bounce" as a result. Johnson, of course, stepped into office after Kennedy was assassinated, giving him an enormous boost with the public.

George H.W. Bush lost his boost the fastest. During the first Gulf War, Bush charted approval ratings higher than any modern president ("modern" meaning back to F.D.R., when public opinion polling was born), but he then quickly lost this wave of support.

Lyndon Johnson rode the wave of public support he instantly received upon becoming president to win the 1964 election. This wave lasted through his inauguration, which happened (on his chart) at the exact point Obama finds himself at now. But, as Vietnam got progressively worse, L.B.J. started losing public support. For those of you with eagle eyes, you may have noticed that Johnson gets two points on the above chart, at 37 months and again at 45 months. This is to be fair to him, because in Gallup's polling, he had one bad month in the polls which may have been a statistical mistake (an "outlier," as pollsters say), as his numbers recovered the month after and stayed fairly steady for the next six months or so. As I said, to be fair, I've plotted both points -- the possible mistake, and the real point his polls turned for the worse.

George W. Bush, like his father before him, charted new highs on presidential approval after 9/11, and after the invasion of Afghanistan. This was reinforced further by another bump in approval when he invaded Iraq. But eventually, what went up came down, and while Bush's numbers rebounded just in time to secure his re-election, they soon took a fatal dive and he wound up charting the worst approval ratings since Nixon by the end of his presidency.

Speaking of Richard Nixon, he is represented by that furthest-right point on the graph. That's right, Tricky Dick was seen positively by America until five months into his second term -- a whopping 53-month streak, only surpassed by Eisenhower and Kennedy's perfect records. Nixon, like George W. Bush, entered a fatal decline that only ended when Nixon became the first president to resign the office. About the only difference is that Nixon's numbers only crossed once, and once they tanked, they never recovered.

In conclusion, does any of all of this mean anything? Well, probably not. Because the data tell us two obvious things: that presidential approval rating crossover points seem to cluster in four distinct groups; and that you simply cannot use any of this to predict whether a president will ultimately be successful in office, or even if he will win a second term.

In the first grouping, we have Ford, the "accidental president" of our age, who was defeated and is generally thought of (in the kindest possible terms) as nothing more than a "caretaker" president. But we also have Bill Clinton, who recovered from his early stumbles only to make fresher stumbles, later; but who is also generally seen as a successful president who handily won re-election. Clinton then went on to enjoy very high approval ratings throughout his second term, even during his impeachment.

In the second grouping, we have Obama together with Reagan and Carter. Although party affiliation is switched, we again have a presidency seen as less-than-successful which ended with one term; and we have a president seen as successful, who won his second term in a record landslide. Obama's future, of course, remains unseen at this point.

Further out, we have a mixture of one-term presidents and two-term presidents, and also a mixture of success and failure. And not even on the chart, we have an assassinated president (can't really call Kennedy "just a one-term president" because who knows if he would have been re-elected?) and a two-term president, one from each party.

In other words, other than the odd grouping effect, it's not very easy to use any of this as any sort of political crystal ball to see what Obama's chart will look like when he leaves office -- or even when that will be. Maybe he'll be the second Carter, and maybe he'll be the second Reagan (or possibly he'll be the second "neither one of these"...). The historical record really can't be seen as definitive, at this point.

 

[Obama Poll Watch Data:]

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Obama's All-Time Statistics

Monthly
Highest Monthly Approval -- 2/09 -- 63.4%
Lowest Monthly Approval -- 7/10 -- 46.6%

Highest Monthly Disapproval -- 7/10 -- 47.4%
Lowest Monthly Disapproval -- 1/09 -- 19.6%

Daily
Highest Daily Approval -- 2/15/09 -- 65.5%
Lowest Daily Approval -- 7/31/10 -- 45.3%

Highest Daily Disapproval -- 7/31/10 -- 49.8%
Lowest Daily Disapproval -- 1/29/09 -- 19.3%

 

Obama's Raw Monthly Data

[All-time high in bold, all-time low underlined.]

Month -- (Approval / Disapproval / Undecided)
07/10 -- 46.6 / 47.4 / 6.0
06/10 -- 47.6 / 46.7 / 5.7
05/10 -- 48.1 / 45.5 / 6.4
04/10 -- 47.8 / 46.5 / 5.7
03/10 -- 48.1 / 46.4 / 5.5
02/10 -- 47.9 / 46.1 / 6.0
01/10 -- 49.2 / 45.3 / 5.5
12/09 -- 49.4 / 44.9 / 5.7
11/09 -- 51.1 / 43.5 / 5.4
10/09 -- 52.2 / 41.9 / 5.9
09/09 -- 52.7 / 42.0 / 5.3
08/09 -- 52.8 / 40.8 / 6.4
07/09 -- 56.4 / 38.1 / 5.5
06/09 -- 59.8 / 33.6 / 6.6
05/09 -- 61.4 / 31.6 / 7.0
04/09 -- 61.0 / 30.8 / 8.2
03/09 -- 60.9 / 29.9 / 9.2
02/09 -- 63.4 / 24.4 / 12.2
01/09 -- 63.1 / 19.6 / 17.3

 

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01:51 PM on 08/05/2010
I don't think it's any mystery as to why his poll numbers have dropped at this rate. There are poll number curves, and then there are patience curves amongst the voters.

This is a President who was given a pretty clear mandate from the people to make several positive changes. While there have been some, they have largely been watered down affairs. It's also been apparent to anyone with a pulse that the dragging time they've taken has simply allowed special interests room to dilute their substance.

It's not only the President's fault. He not only inherited a host of situations spinning out of control, but he also inherited likely the most do-nothing Congress I've ever seen.

What I'm seeing, is that his prior "visions" for how things can be, and what he's putting on the table aren't matching up. And I'm seeing a complete lack of, well, call it force, authority, motivation, urgency, whatever, towards this completely benign Congress. It's like everybody decided to pull back, blame anything that happened on the other guy, and do nothing.

Unfortunately that tends to allow the opposing party to do just about anything, because all they really have to do is point and watch you lose.

Meanwhile we out here in the hire-able but not electable classes are left with change at a snail's pace (my sincere apologies to the snails), that tends to be unbelievable, not that we can believe in.
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02:32 PM on 08/05/2010
Agreed with your every comment. As I've said many times, The Republicans and some Democrats are like a 1000 lb weight around his neck, that he has had to drag along from day one, when Bush and THESE SAME REPUBLICANS handed him all the messes they had caused.
03:30 PM on 08/05/2010
Thanks, but I'd say, no, not SOME democrats, but a LOT of democrats.

There's no sense of urgency here. It's like watching grass grow, except that the grass at least knows what it's doing.

If I could, I would cross Obama's passion and speaking skills with Hillary's intelligence and GW's...well, just his brass you know what's, and put them together.

This isn't a good time for indecisiveness or lack of vision. It's the time we need a person capable of grasping the big pictures, initiating the positive concepts that begin roads to recovery, and hammering it through a very dense and rather foul mess of politically elected garbage.

Obama has some great ideas. But you can't merely say them one day and then go let them sit and gather dust for a year. If you're going to go clean energy development, then work on it like you mean it. If you're going to deal with tax vs pay issues, then state your case and hammer on it until you've got a solution.

The list goes on, and while we wait, and watch with mouths sometimes dropped in disbelief, nothing, or something resembling nothing, is "kinda" occurring.
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tnkeating
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12:57 PM on 08/05/2010
How can you give credit for nonsense? Its like a bank giving credit to someone who is not credible or doesn't even have a job.
12:30 PM on 08/05/2010
I wouldn't exactly call Wall Street reform a wonderful achievement, and what other Obama landmarks are you talking about? Obama promised that if we gave him $787 BILLION dollars that unemployment would not exceed 8%. We're at 9.5% and climbing. He lied about his health care reform bill. He would rather support Mexico, not Arizona. There were more American casualties in Afghanistan during the month of July than in the past 8 years combined. We're looking at the biggest tax hike in American history NLT January 2011. Gee. why would his poll numbers suck?
tqcobb
Free your mind and the rest will follow
02:02 PM on 08/05/2010
lied about health care reform? rather support Mexico than Arizona? your narrow-minded, dislike for the POTUS personally is probably driving your thinking...that along with being brain-washed by FOX, Limbaugh and Tea Party reactionism
02:09 PM on 08/05/2010
41% approval rating and sinking like a rock. I stand by my comments.
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02:34 PM on 08/05/2010
People like the previous comments (Bowling) are soooooooooooo tiresome. Don't you think ???
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11:07 AM on 08/05/2010
We hear nothing about what he has accomplished because their is a right wing conspiracy to defeat him. You might just go ahead and say that the corporate press are wing nuts, too, because they are too cowardly to report true facts, less they get fired or miss that all important cocktail invitations.

Then you have the propaganda pig nuts (Rs) machine aka Loony non News who blares, 24/7, hate and bigotry and supports the loud mouths of the bottom feeders like Brietbart, Palin and the TPMisfits who drown out and are covered by this same right wing press.

Turn on talk radio and 91% of them are hate talkers and liars.

I didn't believe Hillary when she talked about the right wing conspiracy, but I do now, in spades.

To take a country, that was swirling around the toliet bowl of Republican destruction, and has now some light at the end of a tunnel and avoiding soup kitchens and bread lines for all of us, and pass some good legislation with a 1000 lb weight hanging around your neck (Republican NOs) is a fair amount of good things for the middle class.

But you don't hear that !!!!!
11:32 AM on 08/05/2010
Ahh, its the meida's fault despite the love affair they recently had which put Obama in office? Damn 1st amendment. If ony we could restrict what is being said about Obama and not have an open market place of ideas then your liberal vision could truly flourish unimpeded from desenting points of view. Why don't you get in a time machine and travel to 1950's soviet union where you can happily live in a time and place with awesome socialist policies and no mean open media to discuss multiple viewpoints on issues and govt. polices. Tip for you, you really can't expect to be taken seriously when you trash one of the most fundamental aspects of our nation. The first amendment.
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12:34 PM on 08/05/2010
Whatever, table, whatever.........you are as blind as a bat. THE END....
10:25 AM on 08/05/2010
Mr Weigant,

Respectfully, with your impressive smorgasbord of polling data, it would seem as if you have gone to great lengths to conclusively say - by even your own admission - very little.
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11:18 AM on 08/05/2010
And, your point is what, exactly?

In case you haven't noticed, the rest of us here are engaged in a discussion about those poll numbers. If you don't have anything intelligent to contribute, then you should just go away.
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02:42 PM on 08/05/2010
EducatedObserver -

Well, that's why I admitted it! I even gave a "teaser" at the beginning to warn people there would be no sweeping conclusions, so you can't say you weren't warned.

Sometimes the data doesn't warrant conclusiveness, that's my excuse for now.

:-)

-CW
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10:20 AM on 08/05/2010
It would appear that Mr. Weigant has blathered on excessively to say not much of anything. That hardly means, however, that there is nothing to say about the polling data available.

What is surprising in the Obama numbers is not merely that the majority of people have turned against him - he is 44.7 approval to 50.0 disapproval in the current RCP numbers - but that those who approve of him are sort of tepid in support while those who disapprove REALLY disapprove of him.

This was never the case with Reagan or even Carter when their numbers were down. Reagan and Carter were considered - even by their critics as - at worst - bumbling and inept if well-intentioned guys that got in over their heads in a job they lacked the experience and skills to handle.

But if you look at Obama 'disapprovers', their opinions are different. Granted, some give him the benefit of the doubt - that one never needs to ascribe to maliciousness what simple incompetence can explain - but many have over-reacted to his apparent arrogance and condescension - his The One Knows Best attitude regarding everything from lecturing farmers about arugula to telling cops they are stupid to telling people that - in essence - you guys are simply too dumb to understand how good Obamacare is.

Fact is, even people who want a strong leader don't want an arrogant dictator - and that is increasingly how the people who disapprove of Obama are
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11:23 AM on 08/05/2010
That was an interesting, if truncated, post. So, why did you feel it was necessary to start off with those curious first two sentences?
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George Hanshaw
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12:27 PM on 08/05/2010
Truncated? Well, perhaps. Originally it was eight words over the limit for posting.

I put the first two sentences in because I BELIEVE them. The author blathered without getting to the most important point in the polling data - intensity.

A 50 - 45 opposed is not all that bad in and of itself. It's a coin flip. But 50% who hate your guts and 45% who find you tolerable is a differnt thing altogether.
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02:39 PM on 08/05/2010
George Hanshaw -

As for your first paragraph, well, it's what I do best, what can I say?

:-)

As for the rest of it, what about Clinton? The people who didn't like him REALLY didn't like him.

As for Reagan, while plenty of people REALLY didn't like him, perhaps it didn't show up in the polling at the time. You're right about the "bumbling and inept" perception, though, for both him and Carter, I think.

But, with both Clinton and Dubya, I think the polarization was more pronounced. Just a gut feeling, though, I didn't check any numbers to back that statement up.

-CW
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07:53 PM on 08/05/2010
There were zealots on both sides against Clinton and Bush. Obviously for Clinton since he was impeached - but the public at large - even those who disapproved of him - didn't STRONGLY disapprove of him or he wouldn't have survived impeachment. He came across more as a rogue than as someone to hate. Perhaps had Hillary been a more sympathetic person, or had Chelsea had a higher profile, it would have been different.

And yes, there were the 'Bush lied and people died,' group, but that was a small minority (or we'd be out of Iraq by now and we aren't). The greatest number of independents and dems who turned against him (and they did) were more disappointed than angry with him. They'd have been willing to have a beer with the man, just didn't want him as President.

The intensity of dislike may not be unique in history (I imagine the South was sort of pissed at Lincoln about the time Ft. Sumter was attacked) but it appears unique in the modern era that presidential polling has been being done.
10:12 AM on 08/05/2010
The financial reform bill was stripped of any effective mechanism for reining in the excesses of Wall Street by the time it passed. I think the disappointment in the bill itself has been a drag on Obama.
09:39 AM on 08/05/2010
Lot of numbers, finally all these amounts to nothing. What matters is what happens in November?
09:38 AM on 08/05/2010
Financial reform was ALL about MORE CONTROL over us - it was not about reforming Wall Street. I personally want the government out of my life, out of my business, and out of my way. Don't you? Surely the vast majority agrees. At least that's what I'm hoping for. And Obama is not a president of the people - he's a politician that gets manipulated by union bosses, lobbyists, and Rahm.
10:13 AM on 08/05/2010
Obama could care less what unions want. He shows up and asks for money, but he never does anything for them and then he campaigns against them (see Lincoln primary).

You're right on the rest. Rahm hates unions, and teachers. So does Duncan.
02:23 PM on 08/05/2010
You are very wrong about unions - Obama caters to them on all levels...
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12:38 PM on 08/05/2010
Spoken like a true bagger.....
02:21 PM on 08/05/2010
Not a member of the Tea Party - just a realist who knows the truth...
By not addressing my question about the gov't getting out of our lives, I can only assume you like them to control you and provide you with no privacy. Hmmmm??
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09:23 AM on 08/05/2010
The fact that some many extreme right wingers want President Obama to fail gives me confidence that he is a great President and after his stay at the White House no matter how long that may be the American people made the right choice. The President has not been non stop since the day he was sworn in and if not for solving the nation economic troubles people would have lived like they did in 1929,through tough times. I believe history will prove to the American people that they made the right decision even though Republicans will never publicly admit it, and if the Republicans did not obstruct everything that the president has tried this nation could move ahead but then the American people would see how shallow the republicans truly are!
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12:42 PM on 08/05/2010
Thank you for your wise comments, den.

If the (R)s numbers do increase, I can't wait for the bleating against them to start. Bush's tax cuts will be permanent, the corporatist will run the world, along with Wall St. and the rest of us will be serfs.
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12:53 PM on 08/05/2010
That is why we as democrats have to get everyone we can to vote, the republican Party hopes you stay home, they are spending money on trying to keep you at home, it can't happen and we must not let it happen, it took the Bush administration 8 years to run this nation into a ditch and President Obama is doing everything he can to keep us out. We have one vote but that is bigger then any lobbyists money can buy just vote!
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09:20 AM on 08/05/2010
Chris, Thanks for your response! Americans are an optimistic people for the most part. After 8 years in the intellectual desert with Bush, Obama seemed to be just what we needed. Perhaps, in fairness to Obama, we asked for too much from this one man However, hedid promise CHANGE big time and what we've gotten has been a weak health care bill and continued high unemployment and financial regulations which may not, in fact, change much for the consumer. Couple this with seriously bad numbers in Afghanistan(a war we cannot win militarily) and the fast approaching 2010 elections and, I think our normally optimistic population has simply grown tired of half baked accomplishments. I, for one, really thought Obama would be a hands-on President lending his charisma and the weight of his office to sway Congress. Instead, he has let Congress take charge-a grave mistake as we have seen. He must take charge and BE the Commander-in-Chief. This cannot be an empty phrase. He MUST BE the strong, focused leader we elected.There is still time
but he must move quickly to restore the faith and confidence we placed in him in '08.
09:16 AM on 08/05/2010
Obama's role was to sign deeply flawed, watered down legislation that was passed in the Congress. Not much cause for applause there bucko.

But it's worse because there are things that candidate Obama promised that actually fought against once he got the job. Here's an example that makes me see Red!

October 4, 2008 -- OBAMA: "First, we'll take on the drug and insurance companies and hold them accountable for the prices they charge and the harm they cause... And then we'll tell the pharmaceutical companies, 'Thanks but no thanks for overpriced drugs'. Drugs that cost twice as much here as they do in Europe and Canada and Mexico. We'll let Medicare negotiate for lower prices. We'll stop drug companies from blocking generic drugs that are just as effective and far less expensive. We'll allow the safe reimportation of low-cost drugs from countries like Canada."


I'm not going to clap, but I am going to flush the toilet in 2012
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02:54 PM on 08/05/2010
Yak, yak , yak....crickets...same chatter. same crap..
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02:56 PM on 08/05/2010
I think we the ppl r flawed in our thinking. the laws that were passed can be amended at lot more easily than passing a new law! These laws you mentioned r on the books so a favorable progressive congress this year could amend all the laws with 51 votes instead of the 60 for the law. WE DESPERATELY NEED TO VOTE IN PROGRESSIVE CONGRESS-PPL IF WE WANT CHNGE!
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09:00 AM on 08/05/2010
I've tried my best to give President Obama a chance to prove he's on the right side and trying to do a good job, BUT..................half measures don't cut it. He doesn't even try for full measure and then compromise, and get something down the road for it. The people he surrounds himself with are the same east coast conservative democrats that the Clintons had, and he kowtows to the squealing wingers. Yes, he is miles above W, and any other repub candidate, but I'm tired of settling for "Not So Terrible". When will we get a LEADER, with enough cojones to stand up to the rethugs and moneyed special interests, steer the congress in the right direction and get some things done. We need resolution on so many fronts I can't list them all here, and President Obama just isn't getting it done. Healthcare Reform? Where? When? Financial Reform? Really? Looks like more of the same..........
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02:57 PM on 08/05/2010
Then VOTE a congress in to override his veto pen!
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jcaunter
Profile: schizoid, INTJ, IQ145
08:55 AM on 08/05/2010
---July had some political successes for Obama, but the public once again didn't give him any credit for passing Wall Street reform, or any of the other achievements Obama chalked up.---

That is because these were not achievements. These were sell outs of the American people, and everyone but a few deluded folk saw these *achievements* for what they are. Maybe if Obama had ONCE fought for something that people wanted, instead quietly acceding to the will of the lobbyists surrounding him and calling that reform, his numbers would not be going down the toilet.

--not great news for Obama fans.--

Maybe not for his fans, but since Obama is basically a sometimes socially liberal neocon this is great news for true progressives and liberals. Obama is doing an awesome job of driving the progressive base out of the Democratic party by the way. Thanks to him I bet a genuinely progressive third party will have a good shot of winning some political offices in the coming months and years. Vote third party, or vote for Wall Street. Those are our only options now.
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I Hope You'll Dance
02:42 PM on 08/05/2010
Yeah, I can see all those progressives lining up in droves, to vote for the same Republicans who got us into all these messes.
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02:58 PM on 08/05/2010
and who would you have for a replacement?
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indc
08:46 AM on 08/05/2010
You said "..the public once again didn't give him any credit for passing Wall Street reform, or any of the other achievements Obama chalked up."

What type of credit should he get for this largely full of loopholes purposely deeply flawed reform?

"The inherent feebleness of this door-stopping bundle of statute and its lack of desperately needed substance, was brilliantly captured by Laurence Kotlikoff, a highly-respected professor of economics at Boston University. "This law is like being invited to dinner and served pictures of food," Kotlikoff remarked" read the whole article at
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/liamhalligan/7908516/Obama-signs-a-bill-that-lets-banks-have-US-over-a-barrel-once-more.html

You seem to think that you can tell the efficacy of a law by its title, like Bush's Healthy Forests etc. absurd, you should be ashamed of yourself for this blatant and literal superficiality confusing and promoting names with the realities masked by the names.
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jcaunter
Profile: schizoid, INTJ, IQ145
09:03 AM on 08/05/2010
Hehe--right. Healthy forests initiative. Your are exactly right. This bill pretends to be reform, but is a huge giveaway to the bankers and financiers in actuality. Obviously Obama and the other political hacks thought simply calling a junk bill reform and trumpeting it would be enough to bring voters around to his side. But wholly unexpectedly people see this thing for what it really is. Passing this half assed reform is going to do more to sink Democrats than if they had done nothing at all. And they are trying to TOUT it. God, what are they thinking?
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02:19 PM on 08/05/2010
indc -

OK, I gotta admit, that Kotlikoff quote is a good one.

-CW