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Two Ron Paul Winning Scenarios

Posted: 12/07/11 11:10 PM ET

OK, all you Ron Paul fans out there -- this article's for you.

Since the 2012 Republican nomination fight has, so far, been marked by its "anything could happen" nature, and since Ron Paul is still very much in the race in places like Iowa, let's explore how he could actually win the Republican nomination. This scenario is unthinkable for many inside-the-Beltway types and mainstream media types alike, but since it is the height of speculation season, a winning Paul scenario is worth considering. Two of them, in fact.

Path to a Paul victory (number one)

Ron Paul spends a lot of money in Iowa attacking Newt Gingrich. But his hidden weapon in the caucuses turns out to be how committed his mostly-young supporters are. Young people flock out in the freezing weather to the caucuses, and their participation swamps the other demographics who show up. Because the young are so committed, in other words, they turn out in outsized proportions to all other groups.

Ron Paul wins the Iowa caucus. Newt places second, Mitt Romney a distant third.

Romney turns this around by winning New Hampshire. Ron Paul places second, with Newt a close third.

In the gap between New Hampshire and South Carolina, Gingrich is interviewed on television. He is caught on a live microphone chatting with the interviewer before the interview begins, and this is leaked to the world. After the interviewer makes a comment about how well Gingrich is doing, Newt says: "Yeah, I only did this fundamentally as a money-making scheme. I never thought the voters would be stupid enough to actually vote for me! Look at Florida -- I'm leading the polls even though I'm going to cut all the entitlements Grandma gets. Can you believe it?"

Newt was leading the polling in South Carolina before this gaffe, but when the results are in after primary day, Ron Paul has won the state, with Romney a close second. In third place is Rick Perry, to Newt's enormous embarrassment. By the time Florida voting rolls around, it is a two-man race between Romney and Paul.

Voters are reluctant to embrace Paul fully, but are also just as reluctant as they've ever been to get behind Romney. Super Tuesday is not a blowout, but Paul begins edging Romney's delegate count out slowly. After a bruising primary season, Paul wins his magic number of delegates in Idaho, and hence the Republican nomination for president.

In an unprecedented and historic move, he names his son Rand Paul as his running mate.

Path to a Paul victory (number two)

This scenario begins the same. Ron Paul wins the Iowa caucus. Newt places second, Mitt Romney a distant third. Romney wins New Hampshire. Ron Paul places second, with Newt a close third.

South Carolina, however, is Newt country. He scores a huge win here, with Romney far back in second and Michele Bachmann a surprising third. The race between Romney and Gingrich heats up.

Mitt and Newt wage an epic battle on Florida's airwaves. Paul contributes a few potshots at both of them. Romney wins, but just barely, when the votes are counted. Paul wins a distant third.

This pattern continues through Super Tuesday, which is inconclusive. Stacking up Romney wins against Gingrich wins becomes an obsession in the media. But Ron Paul continues to win small states with caucus systems, again because of the sheer energy of his young supporters.

The primary season, like the Democrats' in 2008, goes until the very end. Unfortunately, by the end, Paul has managed to collect so many delegates that neither Mitt or Newt has enough to put them over the top and reach the magic number which assures their nomination.

This leads to the first open, or "brokered" convention in modern times. Just before the convention convenes, Ron Paul gives a major speech in which he declares that he will not accept Vice President or any cabinet office in exchange for his support -- from either Mitt or Newt. This is received with thunderous applause by his supporters.

Inside the convention, the delegates begin voting. Over and over, they fail to reach a majority. Finally, the Ron Paul people begin to hold out the offer of the vice presidency as a possible lure for Romney or Gingrich. The Gingrich supporters reject this, but Romney is more open to the idea. In a shock to the entire political establishment, Romney throws his support to Paul and accepts the veep slot on the ticket.

Of course, I am not laying odds for either of these scenarios to happen. Contrary to the belief of the Ron Paul supporters, the media would absolutely love for either of these to take place -- or, indeed, any scenario which put Paul at the top of the ticket. Faced with the prospect of generating interest in a Romney/Obama matchup, a Paul/Obama matchup is much more interesting to report on.

To put it another way: one month out, I have no idea what will happen in Iowa. Neither does anyone else, really. But I certainly can see the possibility of a big Ron Paul surge, especially if he places either first or second in Iowa. That alone would shake the race up considerably. With the race already in a pretty shaky place right now, what this means is that anything could happen at that point. Even Ron Paul winning the Republican presidential nomination.

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OK, all you Ron Paul fans out there -- this article's for you. Since the 2012 Republican nomination fight has, so far, been marked by its "anything could happen" nature, and since Ron Paul is still ve...
OK, all you Ron Paul fans out there -- this article's for you. Since the 2012 Republican nomination fight has, so far, been marked by its "anything could happen" nature, and since Ron Paul is still ve...
 
 
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08:18 PM on 12/13/2011
Ron Paul 2012 !!!!!
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RichTBikkies
Trainee Basil Fawlty; practising Victor Meldrew
08:56 AM on 12/09/2011
The US system for choosing Presidential candidates is completely crazy and illogical.
Mildmannered
"Be excellent to each other"
02:33 AM on 12/09/2011
and how many voters (and/or their parents/grandparents) are vitally dependent on social security and/or medicare
07:02 AM on 12/09/2011
And they would still get social security and medicare. People 25 and younger can opt out.
Mildmannered
"Be excellent to each other"
02:32 AM on 12/09/2011
even a majority of republicans do not want our foreign policy in Paul's hands
08:15 PM on 12/13/2011
Because they are big gov and need war money.......
11:05 PM on 12/08/2011
He has my vote
06:13 PM on 12/08/2011
I would LOVE to see Ron Paul win the Republican nomination. Not sure if I want him as President over a democrate but I'm willing to give him the chance to change my mind.
07:04 AM on 12/09/2011
An open mind is always a good thing.
07:16 AM on 12/09/2011
Vote for him in the primaries and help him get the nomination.
05:49 PM on 12/08/2011
Given that the youth vote is currently flocking to Ron Paul, I believe the libertarian/constitutionalist faction within the Republican Party will continue to grow and be a force to be reckoned with in the years to come. I'm a huge Paul supporter (yet realistic about his chances of winning in 2012) and mark my words: even though he won't return to Congress in 2013 he's had a remarkable impact in Washington, and one of the few to hold onto his principles until the twilight of his political career. Didn't agree with him much when he ran last time and even dismissed him as a whack job at the time but he has somehow managed to grow his base gradually but consistently (even when the media said he couldn't) and the GOP is flocking to him (or at least his ideas) in droves.
10:36 PM on 12/08/2011
Don't give up on his chances this time ... He has very good chance ....
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Conlaw Bloganon
Ron Paul 2012!
10:56 PM on 12/08/2011
His GOP competition is just weak enough, and the media is finally starting to give him a bit of attention.... there is yet hope.
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Joe Goforth
05:24 PM on 12/08/2011
For whatever people think about Ron Paul's ideas there are three that take priority in our county- End the wars, balance the budget and restore civil liberties. If we don't get these things right in the near future all the other stuff won't matter much anyway. We can work out the policy issues on the other stuff. Ron Paul can't change everything in 4 years.
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Freedom and Peace
War is a bankruptcy of policy
05:05 PM on 12/08/2011
Independents and Democrats will be voting for the only candidate that will bring PEACE by ending all the wars and bringing all the troops home...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKz9OeiI0g

Remember, there will be NO Democratic primaries since Obama will be the Democratic Party nominee. Democrats and Independen­­­­­ts can vote in the GOP Primaries in states that are open and semi-open. Learn how here...

http://youtu.be/HawiHvxloms
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ScaningTheWaves
03:47 PM on 12/08/2011
Ron Paul 2012!
03:33 PM on 12/08/2011
"Of course, I am not laying odds for either of these scenarios to happen. Contrary to the belief of the Ron Paul supporters, the media would absolutely love for either of these to take place -- or, indeed, any scenario which put Paul at the top of the ticket."

THIS IS THE BIGGEST LIE I HAVE EVER READ! WOW DUDE YOU ARE BRAIN DAMAGED!
02:43 PM on 12/08/2011
Evangelicals will not embrace Ron Paul because they believe like the establishment of both parties that America must conquer the world through the force of arms so their vicious and ignorant form of christianity can be spread all over the world. Ron Paul is the only serious candidate in either party who understands how destructive our addiction to war and empire is and this has not won him any friends among the evangelicals.
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Lynda Groom
02:28 PM on 12/08/2011
Thank you Chris for such a light-hearted article. Very amusing and thought provoking. I really liked the part where you described Paul senior picking his son as his VP choice. Very funny indeed.
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Chris Weigant
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06:27 PM on 12/08/2011
Lynda Groom -

Thank you for the kind words. But, seriously, I haven't heard any suggestion from a Ron Paul supporter as to who he would pick as Veep that makes more sense than choosing his own son. In terms of political philosophy, the two are pretty close. They also now hail from different states, so constitutionally it'd be OK.

Ron Paul supporters? Who do you think Paul will pick for Veep, should he be nominated? Anyone?

-CW
10:56 PM on 12/08/2011
Peter Schiff
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Grumpy Old Dude
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02:04 PM on 12/08/2011
Although I agree with Dr. Paul regarding the war on drugs, the actual shooting wars, and shrinking the empire, some of his other stances give me pause;

1) laissez-faire capitalism is a crime waiting to happen...Wall Street almost finished us, this would guarantee it.
2) States rights is code for; private business can exclude minorities, and people of different sexual orientation
3) Social Security and Medicare are essential to people (like me), he doesn't think so...automatic disqualify-er!
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tinsldr2
Retired Army Officer
05:34 PM on 12/08/2011
I know a lot of state rights supporters and not one of them think that but I am sure instead of educating yourself, you BELIEVE that is the case.

Does your state have different driving regulations then mine? Different Gun laws? Schools? State Taxes?

There are certain enumerated powers of the Congress and rights that are guaranteed to every citizen protected by the 14th amendment.

But those areas not delegated to the Federal Gov in writing in the Constitution are left to the states or the people.

That is why both Romney and Huntsman came up with health care reform for THEIR STATES and that is fine, but it is not fine to have a one size fits all plan for ALL the states.

Sure there is a fringe element that believes what you say but it is not what most people want which is simply what is written in the US constitution.
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Grumpy Old Dude
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09:29 AM on 12/09/2011
Well since you started your post by insulting me (learn that in the Army?), the credibility of your post is suspect! Then at the end or your post, you make a tacit admission that I'm right! You call them the fringe...I call them the Repub party! I'll use one state as an example;

"Even after Obama released a detailed, long-form birth certificate that shows he was born in the United States and repeatedly said he is a Christian, a Winthrop poll released Monday found 36 percent of S.C. Republicans and Republican leaners think the president was “probably” or “definitely” born outside of the U.S., making him ineligible to serve as the country’s chief executive. Another 30 percent say Obama is a Muslim. Scott Huffmon, a political scientist at Winthrop University and the director of its poll, called the anti-Obama views a sign of the “kick-a-puppy syndrome,” which holds that someone you strongly dislike is capable of all manner of meanness and mendacity."
This is just one red state, if YOU EDUCATED YOURSELF, you would see that in all the states the Repub numbers are similar! I'm sure it has nothing to do with the President's color {cough}. BTW...you wrote; "I know a lot of state rights supporters and not one of them think that," How many thousands of state rights supporters do you know? Do you know the difference between empirical and anecdotal evidence?
05:38 PM on 12/08/2011
In response to #3 - in Ron Paul's plan to Restore America, by cutting back on spending so much he would shore up the social security fund. The only other plan he has with regards to SS is to offer an opt out for those under age 25. I'm not familiar with his plans for Medicare.
01:37 PM on 12/08/2011
You forgot scenario #3: Congress gives unicorns the right to vote.
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06:24 PM on 12/08/2011
DoneWithYou -

OK, now THAT was funny!

Except it'd likely require a constitutional amendment, so the states would have a say, too.

Heh.

-CW