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Kate Middleton and Prince William: Exemplifying Courtship for 20-Somethings?

Posted: 11/20/10 12:09 PM ET

How does the courtship of Kate Middleton and Prince William stack up against the advice of 40-something women for 20-something women regarding the road to marriage?

1) Don't Get Married Until You're 30.

I've interviewed over 150 women so far as I collect advice from 40-something women for 20-something women. One thing they all say is this: "Don't get married before you're 30." Prince William and Kate Middleton will be 29 when they get married in 2011, so they're close enough. Interestingly, many of the women recommending delayed marriage got married young. The average age of first marriage today for a female is 26, up from 22 in 1980, when the oldest 40-somethings of today were entering their 20s. So it's a case of case of "don't do what we did." Why?

Although few regret marrying their spouse, they feel that they missed "the Mary Tyler Moore days," as one woman called them, the years of being single, establishing oneself in a career and discovering themselves. A big part of the motivation to give this advice is a desire for their daughters and young women today to be free from the pressure they felt to get married, and for them to truly own their independence. As one woman put it:

What I would tell my daughters is be selfish. Get your own education. Get your own career and your own money. Don't make getting a husband and marriage a primary life goal. When they ask, "who do you think I'm going to marry?" I say, "Who says you have to get married?" You know it's not the only route. I always reference my sister. She is 36, she's in a relationship but she's not married. She has no plans to get married. I want my daughters to realize they don't need a man to be fulfilled. It's great if you meet someone and fall in love, but put yourself first.

Of course not being married doesn't mean you can't have a relationship.

2) Don't Be in a Rush.

Kate Middleton earned the nickname "Waity Katie" from the media for dating Prince William for eight years without any plans for marriage. But waiting is not such a bad thing when you're in your 20s. Many of the 40-something women I talked to who are still happily coupled actually met their mate in their early 20s but didn't rush into marriage. Looking back, they consider this a key to the longevity of their relationship. From the mouths of real women:

If you want to get married...wait. If you fall in love when you're 22, you don't have to get married when you're 23. I would have to say getting married later is better. You can date, you can work and you can travel. If you get married at 23 you have no experiences to build on. (40-something, Cleveland, Ohio)

For these women the waiting wasn't a push-and-pull of negotiating the proposal. They knew they wanted to be together but enjoyed their 20s apart and together. They valued the freedom to explore their own interests and bring that experience back to their relationship.

Give yourself some freedom to have independent lives. We dated since we were 18 but didn't marry until 30. It just sort of worked out that way. I suspect that had we been in each other's face all the time, it would've worked out differently. We didn't entirely revolve around each other. You have to cultivate independent lives and outside interests. It keeps each of you interesting and that makes it more fun to be together. If you don't have a social life, an intellectual life or some kind of activity that isn't all about your significant other, it's really hard to feel that you have a sense of identity. (40-something, Los Angeles, Calif.)

So don't wait. Live and love. They are not mutually exclusive.

3) Be Independent: Develop Your Own Interests, Not Just Your Partners' Interests.

Kate is described as "cool and decisive and never scared of telling William he's wrong if she thinks he is." Her sense of independence is part of their attraction.

While she hasn't found a high-powered career, she didn't take a traditional wait-and-see job and seems to have her own interests outside their shared love of sports and travel. Hopefuly she can continue to explore her interest in the arts and photography as she settles into her role as a princess-to-be. But importantly, she doesn't defer to Prince William, so check one for having her own opinion. A true partnership requires respect and friendship. Valuing your spouse's point of view and wanting to talk about things is a necessity for a lifetime of being with another person. If you don't respect the person's opinion, you don't want to talk to them.

It will now be interesting to see how Kate and Prince William weather the courtship in the public eye. Their case obviously is quite different from that of the normal 20-something couple entering into a marriage. But they seem to have started out on the right foot, according to 40-something hindsight.

A lot of 20-something women today do wait to get married, but they still have questions about how to transition to coupledom. They want advice on everything from when to start sending wedding gifts together to how to maintain their independence and be supportive partners. I'm collecting advice on this at my blog at www.4020vision.com. Please come visit to add your two cents' worth.

 

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How does the courtship of Kate Middleton and Prince William stack up against the advice of 40-something women for 20-something women regarding the road to marriage? 1) Don't Get Married Until You'...
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04:11 PM on 01/16/2011
Christina, there's a highly viable component of wisdom--experience--that can benefit many. A well-vetted axiom about life: "Learn from the mistakes of others, you won't live long enough to make them all yourself."
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01:41 AM on 11/25/2010
One of the things that too many couples don't do is talk about where they want to be in five years. Many times their dreams, hopes, and desires don't mesh. If you want marriage and children date men / women that want the same thing. If a guy / gal is fence sitting cut him loose. I've seen too many women wait around for a guy only to get dumped and they get married to someone else. Katie here was lucky.
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09:11 PM on 11/24/2010
Definitely agree with #3 - BE INDEPENDENT!

Don't define your life and interests and friends all around your significant other. We have seen so many situations when the relationship ends and someone is left feeling like nothing.

We talk about all of this in our blog, please check it out and give your feedback!
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usted no es el jefe de mí
05:13 PM on 11/24/2010
These people exemplify what? They both stand to live off of vast wealth generated by others. They have no worries at all. They have never had to earn or achieve anything, and the world media are gushing over them. Exemplary as worthless social parasites, maybe. Or emblems of the mindless glorification of empty husks of human beings. They make me sick.
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09:01 PM on 11/23/2010
Their situation is not one that should be used as an example because they are far from the norm. These are to people who have never had to work for anything, were given access to the best prep schools and Oxford university and then where able to pursue their interests because they had a soft spot to fall onto. Ms. Middleton is the daughter of millionaires she wasn't just waity Katey she could do what she wanted because she had the resources too.

A more reasonable example would be that people should finish university and attempt to pay down some of their student loans so that they don't bring a lot of debt into a marriage. Not as glamorous but most people who are making it on their own don't have the time to pursue other interests, they graduate, if they are lucky they find a job and then maybe take a second part time job to pay down the loans.

There is nothing wrong with marrying young and there is nothing wrong with marrying at 30 but people should be in a position of financial security as this is often a cause of marital strife.
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07:08 PM on 11/23/2010
Exemplary? How so? Look I likes me some Prince William and Kate as much as anyone else, but they're not poster children for morality since they did cohabit before marriage. I don't recommend that for anyone. Whether prince or pauper, living in sin is STILL living in sin.
12:44 PM on 11/24/2010
And what morality is this? Christianity? Even if it is, be realistic here: living together before marriage is perfectly normal in today's society.
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05:14 PM on 11/24/2010
800 AD called. They miss you.
01:27 PM on 11/23/2010
I think Katie and Wills get a lot of general anti-monarchy hate that has nothing to do with them as people. I am not a fan of a government supported monarchy- but until the UK votes to abolish it, that's the system they've got. I don't care if Kate 'waited' around to get married to Wills, not working. Her family made millions and if I hadn't had to go straight to work out of high school, I probably wouldn't have either. I think this couple did the right thing by waiting, even breaking up to date other people, etc. to be sure she could take the pressure and that they really wanted to be together. As people, I wish them great joy and a happy marriage. That way, even if the monarchy is abolished, they will have love- and Katie's family's millions- to live on, even without Royalty, lol! Good luck to them!
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12:42 PM on 11/23/2010
everyone so enthralled as katie marries into the biggest welfare recipients on the planet! i've been told all my life about life, liberty. and the pursuit of happiness. stand on your own, hardwork, thrift and planning will get you ahead in the world, UNLESS you can be born into royalty. then, none of the above matters because the people will pay your way. why? you're royalty! you always get the best of everything and you always get first place. lines? they don't get into no stinkin' lines! they're royalty. you can never work to get there, just be born there.
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01:04 PM on 11/23/2010
They receive 300 million a year from the govt.
02:33 AM on 11/23/2010
I think more important than knowing yourself is know what you're looking for in mate, if you are indeed interested in marriage. When I met a man that I knew would respect me and help me grow, I married him. I was 20, he was 21. He happens to be my best friend and the most interesting person I have ever had the privilege of carrying on a conversation with. He thinks the same of me, and we have gleefully endeavored to "find ourselves" together.
01:54 AM on 11/23/2010
I discourage anyone from proscribing a certain age for getting married. Its different for everyone and its always the choice its presented to be. I know people who married young who are blissfully happy. I know people who married young that are miserable. I know singles who love life..but increasingly, I know singles who are now in their late 20's and early 30's who have established careers, have spent the last years getting to know themselves and are now ready to start families. The problem - there is no one in sight. I'll include myself in that population. I've been unfortunate to have short term, sometimes abusive relationships. I've never had a good relationship and if I'm ever so fortunate to have a good guy love me, I'm going to marry him, whether I'm 28 or 41. Everyones situation is completely different, everyones reasons for wanting to be married are different - one size does not and will not ever fit all. I've done the whole selfish phase of starting a successful career, living on my own, discovering myself and its not all its cracked up to be. I would give it all up to have a support network, a loving family, and someone to come home today and grow with every day.
11:19 PM on 11/22/2010
Yet another problem with the advice that women wait until they are 30 to marry is that by that time options are starting to run out if they want kids, and many women do want kids. If you are with somebody you are more or less planning to marry at 30, and then that ends for whatever reason, you then have to start from scratch. That is much easier if you are, say, 23 years old when the relationship you were hoping would end in marriage does not in fact do so. If a young woman finds somebody and it seems like the right thing to do to get married, why should she wait. Don't wait until you are older just because somebody said it was better. It is a lie. Look at the sadly booming business of fertility doctors.
06:18 PM on 11/22/2010
I think they're exemplifying courtship for the 30s and 40s. People are waiting until they've got one foot in the grave before they're willing to take the plunge.

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12:29 AM on 11/23/2010
You mean people in their 30s and 40s already have one foot "in the grave?"
01:28 PM on 11/23/2010
Wow, Feisty! I just turned 40 and got remarried. If I had known I had 'one foot in the grave' maybe I would have just tottered off into senility on my own! ;)
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05:20 PM on 11/22/2010
My best wishes to Prince Harry. the last rebel in the English Monarchy.
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05:17 PM on 11/22/2010
We may be able to arrange schooling and careers and house-buying into a plan, but really...

Is love so common so much like a bus, at any age, that we can stand aside if it comes at an inconvenient time and hope it or another just as good will be ready when we are? At 23, I married a man I'd met at 21. If I'd known he was going to develop lymphoma, I'd have married him sooner. As it was we had 13 years together and 2 sons, 5 and 9 when their father died.

A marriage grows by the efforts of both parties to achieve goals for themselves as individuals and as a couple. If everything is done when you marry, how do you grow close? Many who marry in their 30s then rush to conceive, a worthwhile "couple" goal, but not one that comes with any guarantees.
11:57 PM on 11/22/2010
I am so sorry for your loss.
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03:41 PM on 11/22/2010
"It's great if you meet someone and fall in love, but put yourself first."

If this more or less describes your outlook, don't ever get married. Some people aren't wired to put another person's happiness before their own. If that's your nature, you and the person you would otherwise marry will be much better off facing that than doing something out of expectation that is bound to fail. The same is true of parenthood.

I'll never understand the notion that life comes in stages based on age. If you're this age you should party, at this age you travel, at this age you get married and have kids, etc. Your sense of priorities comes from who you are, not when you were born. A person who is mostly self-centered at 25 doesn't become selfless at 30.
11:01 PM on 11/22/2010
Absolutely correct, PalaceofWisdom. On the one hand, it is good that young women today no longer feel pressured to get married in their early 20's or be doomed to a life of spinsterhood. However, depending on one's specific circumstance, the fairly strong pressure that exists these days for women to not get married before their late 20's can be equally destructive if not more so, flying in the face as it does of biological realities. There are no easy, one-size-fits-all solutions.
02:59 AM on 11/23/2010
I think you slightly misunderstood that part. It isn't saying "never take your partner's wants and needs into consideration", just don't be one of those people who allows themselves to be walked all over by their partner. Some people are blind when they're in love, to the point that they allow themselves to be second priority to their partner, which they should never be. A couple should always put the relationship first, meaning happiness for BOTH parties. Yes, sometimes you have to compromise, but no one should generally be given more importance in a relationship.

Oh, and I agree with you regarding the age thing.