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Apple Sidesteps Taxes -- What's Wrong With That?

Posted: 05/ 1/2012 10:19 am

A front-page article in Sunday's New York Times entitled "How Apple Sidesteps Billions in Taxes" is getting quite the buzz.

A couple of things about the article.

While the Times piece recognizes that there is nothing illegal about the techniques that Apple uses to minimize its taxes, it insinuates, I thought, that Apple is still doing something wrong and unfair. That would be wrong. There is nothing wrong with Apple taking advantage of the tax rules as written. As far as unfair, it's the tax code, given to us by our elected officials, that is unfair -- let's put the blame where it belongs. (And the answer that most of our elected officials have for fixing an unfair and broken tax system: create new and different winners and losers.)

The piece reports that Apple also legally minimizes the taxes it pays to California, where its corporate headquarters are located. But it insinuates that Apple should do more anyway because California is in a bad way and has to cut back on a community college right in Apple's back yard (this point is made quite emotionally). No it doesn't. California is in bad shape because it has made stupid, and sometimes irrational, fiscal policy decisions over decades (I know; I used to live there). How is that Apple's problem? A tax code exists to collect revenue, not as the charitable arm of the state. Taxpayers, corporate or individual, have the responsibility to pay the taxes the law requires, and only the taxes the law requires, and the right to give the rest of their money, or not, to whomever they want.

Or is this no longer correct?

We are currently having a debate in this country about fairness and our tax systems. That's a good debate to have because our tax systems at the state and federal levels are all almost consistently unfair. But I worry about that debate as well. Insinuating that someone who pays a lower effective tax rate than you - say Mitt Romney or President Obama - is somehow doing something unfair to you does not help the debate. (By the way, you will note that neither gave a "contribution" to the federal government to make sure they paid the maximum rate.)

What's often insinuated into the debate is that for those who have less, especially a lot less (for several different reasons, including being just-plain stupid like California) they should expect the government to take from those who are successful -- because "successful" means they got their money because they were lucky or, worse, cheated -- and give it to them.

I don't think that makes for a fair debate. And it's no way to run a railroad (or a tax system) unless you want to eventually run it without trains.

See Tax Notes on Feb. 13, 2012, p. 777 and Aug. 1, 2011, p.459. for Martin Sullivan's original articles on Apple.

 
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06:54 PM on 05/02/2012
I agree, we seem to be entering an age of resentment. Apple is successful, obeys the tax law (which is pretty difficult given its 16,000 pages and unbelievable complexity that even the folks who oversee it have trouble getting right), but should be doing what other folks want done for them. If the code was simpler and more transparent (lower rates, no loopholes, no deductions) it might make people feel less like they were being cheated by not spending hours on their taxes....but maybe it goes beyond that.
01:43 PM on 05/02/2012
No matter how hard people try to rationalize this it does not wash. The issue is not the tax code, which should be revised. The issue is paying for what you get. Apple exists because of the unique aspects of the Valley. That would include the infrastructure, schools, etc. Apple also exists because of the unique aspects of the US. Schools, infrastructure, the Internet (base development coming out of DARPA and ARPA). Apple and the wealth of others is built on the labor of those who helped create it. So what is clear is that Apple and many of those who are rich and benefited from what the country has to offer don't want to pay for it. Others such as Stephen King, Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and others recognize that they have benefited and are open to paying back. As to the second to last paragraph that is just another part of the big lie couched in seemingly rationale terms. Translate. That this is all some wild socialist plot instead of the progressive tax system that built modern America and that was torn down in the Reagan administration. A system that worked well for the whole country and not for those who could buy legislative change. That by the way is the other issue. Government for and by the lobbyists.
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11:52 AM on 05/02/2012
The line of legal or illegal gets very murky when one employs 1400 lawyers and 900 accountants. Use the common sense test: if a small company without an army of lawyers tried to use the "Double Irish" tax maneuver, how would they fare during an IRS audit. (1)

A company like Apple has so much legal horsepower, and our institutions like the IRS are so overworked and underfunded, Apple can and does bully the government. This is not an accident. Even though studies demonstrate that every dollar spent on enforcement by the IRS returns several dollars in additional revenue, the Republicans in Congress have succeeded in cutting the IRS and SEC budgets. (2)

This is not a victimless crime. Teachers, firefighters, policemen, children's school lunches, nursing homes, etc. have all be the victim of this corporate "new math". Apple is not alone. Google (who has the same corporate board members as Apple), Microsoft, General Electric, Exxon, and many other hugely profitable companies are all similarly guilty.

1. http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/28/business/Double-Irish-With-A-Dutch-Sandwich.html
2. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-24/taxpayer-advocate-calls-irs-budget-cut-most-serious-issue.html
01:35 AM on 05/02/2012
Throw out the entire tax code and base all taxes on consumption. This way everybody pays. Allow people to keep all of their money they earn and tax them whenever they buy anything at the retail level. An 18% national sales tax would be a good place to start and eliminate all taxes on income.
11:21 PM on 05/01/2012
I very much agree that corporations and individuals have every single right to pay the minimum legal tax.

But on the subject of fairness, I disagree, every single corporation and person who benefits from unfair taxation is being unfair to all the others who do not benefit from unfair taxation.

And on the segue from the NYT article, which documents how Apple pretends to live in Reno, Nevada, when it really lives in California, to an argument that California deserves what it gets because it is stupid, I think, the exact quote: "What's often insinuated into the debate is that for those who have less, especially a lot less (for several different reasons, including being just-plain stupid like California)"

What would be fair would be a California tax system that prevented California corporate taxpayers from pretending that they live in Reno, at least, in as much, that the only way Apple could convince the tax collector that it lived in Reno was if it actually got up the gumption and moved there from California.
08:11 PM on 05/01/2012
caligula times
08:04 PM on 05/01/2012
What a great article -- is this the Wall Street Journal. It sounded way too rational for the Pravda Post! Flat tax with two brackets adjustable within a percent or two every several years to deal with shortfalls. That is the point where I would start my tax debate.
06:49 PM on 05/01/2012
So to sum up, Tax + EVASION + LOBBYISTS = Tax + AVOIDANCE.

Further, complaining about this equation means you're a communist, hate success and are jealous.
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11:39 PM on 05/01/2012
You're summing up skills may need some brushing up. What I read is any blame for this rests squarely on the bozos in Washington DC. Apple is just following the law and its fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders. That's right, Apple's management has a responsibility to its shareholders to spend their money wisely and that means doing what can be done to minimize expenses like taxes.

The incredible thing is this story gets any attention at all. Several of Obama's cabinet picks illegally evaded taxes by filing erroneous returns and nobody gives a hoot. A corporation follows the rules and people are screaming for their heads. Partisan politics is alive and well at the grass roots level.
01:08 AM on 05/02/2012
And where do you think the bozos in DC get all of their best ideas? It's not like their constituents are working the phones to get them to ease up and allow businesses hide money in Ireland and various island nations with more corporate than human inhabitants.

I'm with you in tax cheats and frauds in Washington, I just don't know where you get the idea that it's a partisan phenomenon.
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05:55 PM on 05/01/2012
the whole issue of tax avoidance vs tax evasion is a syntactic slight of hand to cover the same semantic issue. In soccer you can say you didnt grab the ball with your hand if you legally incorporate your hand as some one elses hand. Or wear a glove. In the legal profession they declare a corporationa person or kechup a vegetable and they think thats clever.

apple is rogue.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-29/google-joins-apple-mobilizing-lobbyists-to-push-for-tax-holiday-on-profits.html
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08:29 AM on 05/02/2012
That's your GOVERNMENT that declared ketchup and pizza are veggies. That's why we need a smaller less intrusive government - its ALWAYS prone to corruption.
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01:49 PM on 05/02/2012
humans are always prone to corruption. http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/10/accounting our policy is decided by market forces (bribe auction). http://www.opensecrets.org/ this is the real world gov http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html in a neoliberal world order, our gov is only an instrument of power. http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/12/02/wall-streets-failed-1934-coup/
04:44 PM on 05/01/2012
When the system favors the rich (corporate or individual) & the system is open to manipulation by wealthy interests & those interests manipulate that system to reduce their tax burden - by creating tax code that allows for tax avoidance that ultimately reduces the revenue available while simulatneously shifting that wealth ever more in their direction, it does hurt the rest of us. No other tax payers have seen their taxes cut in half - or more - in past 30 years - only the wealthy. Asking that they pay what middle income earners pay - without loopholes & dodges, is more than fair.
08:06 PM on 05/01/2012
Many have seen their tax liability go away completely not just cut in half.
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03:46 PM on 05/01/2012
Tax incentives and breaks amount to corporate welfare.
Sometimes they are justified but if there is one company on the planet that does not need any corporate welfare it's Apple.
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03:41 PM on 05/01/2012
Excellent article!

Tax AVOIDANCE is legal, accepted, and appropriate.
Tax EVASION is illegal, unacceptable, and inappropriate.

Too often pundits and commentators conflate the two legally, morally, and ethically distinct concepts of tax avoidance and tax evasion, and improperly attribute the treatment afforded tax evasion to instances of tax avoidance.
wsdave
Abusive or Insulting? I won't be responding.
11:34 PM on 05/01/2012
More importantly, tax AVOIDANCE is available to EVERYONE, EQUALLY.
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11:55 PM on 05/01/2012
Not anyone with a brain. Tax avoidance by lobbying for loopholes with power unavailable for the masses isn't illegal, but it is rigging the system.
03:37 PM on 05/01/2012
The part of the conversation that you so conveniently ignore is how many billion dollar companies pay legislators to make tax code favorable to them. So, yes, the tax code is unfair. Companies shouldn't be able to pay millions of dollars to legislators so that they can get billions of dollars in tax breaks.
wsdave
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11:35 PM on 05/01/2012
The tax code works for you, too. I have an off-shore corporation to hold my off-shore earnings, and so could you.
06:57 PM on 05/02/2012
I wish the administration hadn't ignored the bi-partisan Bowles Simpson plan. But perhaps this is why.
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02:54 PM on 05/01/2012
"Insinuating that someone who pays a lower effective tax rate than you...is somehow doing something unfair to you does not help the debate."
It does if the tax "breaks" being taken advantage of by Apple are not available to every individual. Can I live in New Jersey, work in New Jersey, be registered to vote in New Jersey, and yet claim a lower tax liability from another state? Heck, by this article's logic, I should be able to file from one of the states with no income tax but live in one that has one, because hey, it's not hurting anyone! See, I don't have an army of corporate tax lawyers, funded by the billions in profits that I want them to protect from the law. If corporations want to enjoy the rights of citizenship such as donating to elections and exercising free speech, there are obligations and responsibilities that Apple must meet in order to earn that citizenship. Dodging taxes isn't something human citizens get away with, last I checked.
02:43 PM on 05/01/2012
The principal public policy underlying taxes is the maximization of revenue. This policy is then balanced against certain other policies, such as supporting the housing industry and the "ownership" society. Hence, mortgage interest deductions. Unfortunately, many of the policies reducing the maximization of revenue are the result of the wealthy, both individuals and corporations, bribing politicians to set up schemes to permit the wealthy to pay lower rates than those who cannot afford to buy politicians. So, sidestepping taxes may be legal, but it is the result of unethical actions by both wealthy taxpayers and their politician-puppets.