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Can Physics Save Your Soul?

Posted: 10/ 8/2011 1:33 pm

Hold everything! The Nobel Committee has made a terrible mistake! Sure, Perlmutter, Schmidt and Riess thought they were seeing a bubble Universe expanding at increasing speed, but that was before string theorists told us that it's all just a sort of great big holographic movie, like the ghostly Princess Leia popup in the original "Star Wars." You can't award a Nobel prize for watching a 3-D simulation in a 2-D flick!

OK, settle down, I'm only joking -- sort of. My point is that some sort of dark energy seems to be driving observation and theory in physics apart at a rapidly accelerating pace. In his book "The Trouble with Physics," theorist Lee Smolin laments that for the last quarter century his field has made no progress. Physics, he said, has "hit the wall." That was before the Large Hadron Collider went to work. Two years later, the wall remains unscathed.

And that leads to an even more important point. With reality revealing itself to be so much weirder under the hood than it looks it in the showroom, this may be just the time to reopen the argument over Cartesian dualism -- that is, whether you possess, along with your body, a soul. For half a century and more, the educated answer has been an ever more resounding "no."

Materialism has commanded the heights of science and philosophy since at least 1949, when philosopher Gilbert Ryle derisively dismissed dualism as "the ghost in the machine" in his book "The Concept of Mind." The rise of neuroscience in the decades since has demonstrated that the brain is indeed analogous to a machine. It has evolved components that serve specialized functions -- mapping and remapping the body that contains it, for example -- and its mental experiences are clearly subject to material influences such as electrical stimulation or alcohol.

The credible evidence in favor of a soul? Zip. Bupkis. Nada thing.

Indeed, to stand up for mind-body dualism in an academic setting today is to look as foolish and naive as a flat-earther. Yet, to accept strict materialism is fatal to nearly any religious worldview. It means viewing yourself, the universe and everything as nothing more than the interplay of matter and energy, governed only by physical law and chance.

Such a worldview scares the pants off people across the spectrum, from reactionary creationists to postmodern New Agers. Ken "Answers in Genesis" Ham built himself a $27 million rebuttal. His "Creation Museum" has drawn over a million fundamentalist Christians eager to see model dinosaurs queuing up at a prehistoric McDonald's or whatever.

New Age mystic Ken "Shambhala" Wilber, who makes his pile by the simple expedient of putting scientific papers and New Age ravings into a Cuisinart and hitting the "blend" button, terms materialism "modern flatland pathology."

However, it must be admitted that materialism also poses a steep challenge to the rational reconciliation of sane religions with science, which is where my interests enter. Happily, present-day physics may offer grounds to reconsider the whole question.

There is much from which to recoil, Kurtz-like, in contemporary cosmology. At the quantum end of things, the best-accepted interpretation, Hugh Everett's Many Worlds, states that at every possible decision point the universe splits in two, with each alternative realized. As some wag has pointed out, this implies that if you're unhappy with your life, you should go out, buy a lottery ticket and a gun, and then play Russian roulette. In some universe you'll open your eyes a millionaire, and in most your troubles will be over.

At the cosmological end, the view among the cognoscenti is of a multiverse filled with an infinite number (or as near to infinite as makes no nevermind) of randomly cast universe-bubbles. Now, this idea makes for a great explanation of how it might be that an undesigned universe comes equipped with laws suitable for life. However, it comes with baggage.

An infinite multiverse amounts to an house of mirrors in which everything you or I do is repeated endlessly elsewhere. Moreover, every possible variation is enacted, over and over and over. It's back to the Many Worlds madness on a cosmic scale. I trust you see that if the world, broadly conceived, contains an infinite assemblage of "you" in every possible variation -- ax murderer, movie star, stamp collector -- it becomes impossible to identify a morally meaningful soul with any or all of these.

Now, madness is no grounds for falsification. These ideas may be right, but so far there's no evidence one way or another. What we do know, beyond doubt, is that reality big and small looks very strange indeed. A somewhat different solution just might reopen room for a soul in a scientific context.

Decades of study of black holes has led to the mindbending notion that we live in a holographic universe. That is, all of the observable material world may actually be the interplay of bits of information encoded on a huge but finite 2-D sphere. Research is underway now to try to determine if this wildly counterintuitive proposition is true. (There's a fun insider's account here.)

If true, what would this mean? Well, for one thing of course it means that we and The Simpsons have even more in common than we'd like to think. But it would also mean that information is the fundamental stuff of nature. Is information processing a sufficient explanation for "you"? Let's hope not. Who's to say that "you" do not exist on the far side of that sphere, in constant engagement with that information? Matrix, anyone?

Now, some may object that introducing metaphysics into the argument amounts to an unnecessary complication, like Richard Dawkins' "fairies at the bottom of the garden."

But there are two critical differences. First, unlike fairies, we need to account for ourselves somehow. This is known as the problem of consciousness, but that horribly vague term misses the mark. It is so broad that some people argue that a thermostat is consciousness because it exhibits awareness of the environment and alters its behavior accordingly. In contrast (presumably) to thermostats, our strongest, most unshakable intuition is of our selves.

"I think, therefore I am," DesCartes declared, and it's hard to argue with him on that. Nevertheless, many have. Philosopher Daniel Dennett made a brave stab at demystifying consciousness and ended up declaring it to be the narrative center of gravity in our brains. More recently, computer scientist Douglas Hofstadter declared the self to be a "strange loop" -- an emergent awareness and memory complex in the brain that turns back on itself, like a television camera aimed at its monitor. It would take vastly more space than I have available here to justly critique these positions. Let me simply say that neither one satisfactorily accounts for what I feel when someone steps on my toe.

The other important distinction is that I am not making a supernatural claim. Extra-natural, yes, but supernatural, no. We simply know nothing about the physics -- if any -- beyond the infinitesimally thin wall of the universal hologram. The principle of mediocrity says to expect more of the same. Occam's Razor urges us to take the simplest adequate supposition. Logical positivism (which Dawkins seems to advocate) tells to expect nothing whatever without some evidence that there is a "there" there. These are generally good guidelines, but none is a logical imperative.

And we still have to account for that subjective "you." Are "you" a subroutine in a vast program that simulates the Great Hologram? Maybe. But maybe that metaphor is a little too convenient to our times. Perhaps as technology advances we will develop more apt, less clunky metaphors for what "you" are. Or are you in some inconceivable metaphysical sense a "soul" out there, beyond the diaphanous wall? Again, maybe.

That is where, without running afoul of physics, faith or mere wonder wanders in. Gee, Wilber, maybe flatland's not so bad after all.

 
 
 

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JayBachand
Atheist, artist, and dad.
01:57 PM on 10/10/2011
God of the gaps, in so many words.

Also, the late Douglas Adams is he source of the fairies quote, not Dakwins. Dawkins is merely alluding to his friend's words.
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Clay Farris Naff
Blogger, science journalist, & author
08:12 AM on 10/12/2011
Thank you for the correction.

Your criticism, however, strikes me -- a devout non-theist -- as utterly unjustified. God is not even implicit in this piece, let alone explicit. Nor, for that matter, is there any suggestion of magic or the supernatural.
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JayBachand
Atheist, artist, and dad.
05:09 PM on 10/12/2011
Perhaps I misunderstood? I'll re-read more closely.
12:02 PM on 10/10/2011
Lets say you like puppies and sunsets. a blow to the head can leave you still self aware, but change those likes. "You" are made of meat... to the point that the Youness could be cut out. You will rot with the meat. Even if that meat is an illusion created with our meat eyes... death or damage to the storage erases the data that is you.
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Clay Farris Naff
Blogger, science journalist, & author
08:15 AM on 10/12/2011
I am not denying the physical aspects of conscious experience -- see electricity and alcohol above -- but I am arguing that "meat" is not sufficient to explain the internal, subjective experiences we have. I *conjecture* that perhaps they arise from an interplay of "meat" (as you so delicately put it) and something metaphysical. Your assertions don't seem to refute that suggestion.
09:02 AM on 10/12/2011
When those internal subjective experiences can be cut out of the meat... where does that leave them? Name and define the experience and i will find a case where head trauma disabled it entirely when the meat was damaged. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemispatial_neglect ) Also you miss my last point. Even if the meat isn't "real", or is just a small part of something more that cant be seen... Its the meat that knows your name, that thinks thoughts. That other larger part has no idea who you are, or has any resemblance to you at all.
09:14 AM on 10/10/2011
Why not just write another article about the conception of the soul and why you like it? Why the need to attempt to use science and the nature of scientific inquiry as some jumping point? The nature of scientific inquiry is what it is precisely so we don't get dogmatic about it. This fact does not give credence to any theory of the soul. To take the one as evidence and support for the other is illogical and ill-conceived.
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Clay Farris Naff
Blogger, science journalist, & author
08:20 AM on 10/12/2011
>To take the one as evidence and support for the other is illogical and ill-concei­ved.

How right you are! But that is exactly what I did NOT do. I am exploring, as rigorously as I can, spaces in the scientific narrative where liberal religions and speculative worldviews can roost without coming into conflict with the findings of science. That space, as I make abundantly clear in my essay, is in the *speculative* portion of the scientific narrative, where no evidence yet appears.

I applaud (and share) your desire to avoid dogmatism. But rejection of any ideas that don't conform to your worldview IS dogmatism, and it looks to me as if that is what you are applying to my essay.

Regards,

Clay
09:20 AM on 10/12/2011
I understand what you are saying. Regardless, you are attempting to place your particular speculation on level with scientific theory. The two are not equatable and do not bear the same value in critical explanation; which is why one does not lead to the other. So, while you may feel that because science does what science does you are able to explore "spaces in the scientific narrative where liberal religions and speculative worldviews can roost", I am stating that to do so is ill-logical and ill-conceived. You mention "where no evidence yet appears" because you are attempting to fit your speculations into what you perceive as holes in science. I assure you they are not holes; this is an issue of perspective and worldview and their associated assumptions. What you fail to mention, assuming you have made note of this distinction at all, is that there is no evidence to suggest the veracity of the soul as an explanation for anything.

So, as I stated, it would have been better for you to have merely made another article on why you find the theory of the soul to be true. It's a credibility issue. Most people do not care, but I do.

Thank you for your reply, btw. As an side note: Religion and science are not the same. They are not in competition and they do not need to meet on equal ground. It simply is not necessary.
03:28 AM on 10/10/2011
So, the most apparent conclusion is that Physics is science fiction at its finest. There's lots of options for man to choose which concept of reality fits the bill for him. It's like telling us that we both exist and don't exist at the same time. And, at the same time leaving open the possibility of a soul co-existing with the body in some extra natural condition.

And, then to attempt to make a comparison of how consciousness in our brains work with how the universe works shows itself to be fundamentally weak. It seems that some people would rather choose their imaginations over some sort of religious explanation. That is probably due to the desire for a lack of responsibility in all matters concerning their lives. And, at best it simplifies their existence.
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Jelle NL
Unity in Diversity
01:15 AM on 10/10/2011
It is very easy to consider OTHERS (human beings, animals and plants) as more or less complex robots or computers. But it seems impossible to see OURSELF as "just a machine". Isn't that inability an other word for “consciousness” (soul)?
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
09:00 PM on 10/09/2011
Meh, if materialists want to think that because they understand the car, there's no such thing as a driver, let 'em.
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UnderTheHedgeWeGo
Show me some evidence.
12:50 AM on 10/10/2011
It is just that, while I understand the car, I don't understand why you believe in an invisible driver who does no better than if there were NO driver at all.
02:57 AM on 10/11/2011
I seriously doubt that you truly understand "how" the combustion engine in an automobile works. I think you understand the basic need to put gas in it to make it run. And, from reading your past posts it seems as though your main criteria for not believing in God is because the world and life does not meet your standards of perfection.

In other words, if you did believe in God then you would have to blame Him for everything you find wrong. But, because you don't believe in God you are going to blame Him anyway for not existing so that you could blame Him in the first place.

You probably still blame Santa Claus for not getting the perfect X-mas gift when you were a child.

Wow, is that messed up or what?...!
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CMcMillion
12:58 AM on 10/10/2011
And if you want to pretend there's a soul when there is no evidence of such, go ahead. You are just irrational.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
02:19 AM on 10/10/2011
There's no evidence against it, either, so if you want to be unreasonably certain about something to which the only hard answer is "I don't know", be my guest. :)

Oh and abusing strangers on the net doesn't show rationality or maturity, either.
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OSullivan
08:44 PM on 10/09/2011
"It would take vastly more space than I have available here to justly critique these positions. Let me simply say that neither one satisfactorily accounts for what I feel when someone steps on my toe. "

What a very convenient way of saying "you're wrong" without having to justify your position. Clever.
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Clay Farris Naff
Blogger, science journalist, & author
08:22 AM on 10/10/2011
That's a fair criticism, but it is simply true that I could not possibly detail my admiration for what's best in Dennett and Hofstadter's books, nor critique them in the space available. I tried to do the latter in a single phrase that captures both the singularity of self (pace Hofstadter) and the irrefutability of qualia (contra Dennett). If that makes no sense to you, well, that's problem I was up against.

Regards,

Clay
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M33TBallz
IMHO, SYPH
09:27 AM on 10/10/2011
Qualia. LOL. Good lord. How about Ayatana?

Might as well go back to considering absurdism when philosophically considering the soul.
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kauaiphil
From the Alamo, to Sausalito, to St. Thomas VI, to
07:18 PM on 10/09/2011
I liked what Dawkins said about: we are going to die, and we are the lucky ones, etc. When I think of deep time and all the things that had to have happen for me to actually exist, it's mind blowing. Plus, I was born in between a miscarriage and an abortion, 3 months after my mother was in a head-on car crash on a one-way bridge. I left religions behind, over 50 years ago. I got a philosophy degree and became a traveling carpenter. Lived in beautiful places and met interesting people. Each new scientific discovery gives me real thrill. Although I don't believe in a "soul" or afterlife, I've always fantasized that I'd be eternally on the original Star Ship Enterprise, exploring the universe. And having great sex.
Lastly, "Through the Wormhole" is a pretty fun TV program. Quantum physics is wild. Aloha and Peace, from Kauai.
04:44 PM on 10/09/2011
Sensory Deception.
To base our existence on our five senses would require a complete understanding of our five senses.
A little research into the greatest minds of our time suggests that sensory distortion is a common thread.
Steven Hawkings, Helen Keller, Tesla, etc.
Perhaps we are relying too heavily on what we see and not what is in front of us.
02:14 PM on 10/09/2011
No religion can do more than accommodate it's ideology and practice with material reality. Science is a study and search for understanding of that reality. Religion - at best - is an unscientific trial at getting along with reality.

Religion, of course, being a waste of time.
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Clay Farris Naff
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08:30 AM on 10/12/2011
I am not religious, but I have to say that this is a terrible mischaracterization of religion. It's like saying a person is a just an appendix, and who needs an appendix? True, most religions try to produce a total account of reality, and virtually all of them fail when it comes to the empirical aspects of nature (if not more). But that is not their central function. Their key function is to organize societies in ways that promote in-group harmony and altruism. (See David Sloan Wilson's book Darwin's Cathedral.) That they often fail to do this, and are often hijacked by rapacious or oppressive leaders merely confirms that, like politics, religion is a human undertaking.
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PhilosopherJon
Don’t be mΣαη
12:52 PM on 10/09/2011
Fallacy of Composition.

Physic's observations have yet to be resolved, therefore consciousness has yet to be resolved.
or
Materialism has yet to explain physics completely, therefore materialism can't explain consciousness.

Aside from faulty logic, there are no observations to suggest Cartesian dualism. Where as there are observations (accelerating expansion) that suggest incomplete theory within physics.

To suggest that the physics of inflation correlate with an emergent property in the brain, and that an absence of knowledge from the former is evidence for an absence of knowledge in the latter is false equivalency.
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ZenGardner
Cogito ergo atheus. 6.875
09:51 AM on 10/09/2011
I'll stick with DontGiveAShitism. If it doesn't actually improve my existence or the existence of others, then I dontgiveashit.
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CMcMillion
01:00 AM on 10/10/2011
Your lack of vision is stunning.
researcher
researcher
06:09 AM on 10/09/2011
"The other important distinction is that I am not making a supernatural claim. Extra-natural, yes, but supernatural, no."

lets not go super natural lets go extra natural. interesting difference?
09:24 AM on 10/09/2011
Good point researcher, what the hell does that mean? What is the difference between super natural and extra natural. Maybe it sounds less threatening to us non believers, but it sounds like religious mumbo jumbo to me. Sorry, not buying it.
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owlafaye
Love, laugh, be happy and free, God is dead
11:23 AM on 10/09/2011
no difference...natural is natural...super and extra are not, therefore they are non-existent.
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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
09:01 PM on 10/09/2011
But what if nature covers a lot more than we can currently observe? Given our ability to do so has advanced greatly, it'd be pretty silly - indeed, arrogant - to declare that because we can't observe or describe something now, therefore it doesn't exist. Time was swans were by definition white, and the idea of a black swan too ridiculous to be taken seriously ...
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Jelle NL
Unity in Diversity
04:04 AM on 10/09/2011
Is "awareness" and "consciousness" (soul) possible without language?
(What about thermostats, sunflowers, dogs, human baby’s)
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Clay Farris Naff
Blogger, science journalist, & author
10:03 AM on 10/09/2011
Yes. When someone steps on your toe, you are conscious of the experience before the curse words assemble themselves in your mind and make their way out of your mouth.

Put another way, there is pretty good evidence for consciousness (via the proxy of self-awareness) in nonlingual primates such as chimps.
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Jelle NL
Unity in Diversity
03:09 PM on 10/09/2011
Thank you. -- I am not sure that you presented a good example of awareness. When someone steps on your toe, you scream and move away. The words “conscious of the experience” seem to be superfluous and inappropriate here. You react. Just like a thermostat. Why should we say: “The thermostate is conscious of the experience that the temperature is rising and now kicks on the airco”?

When a chimp recognizes herself in a mirror. We can say: “She knows or is aware that it is her own face.” But isn’t that anthropomorfism? We can also say: “The sunflower knows where the sun is. Look she turns her face.”
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owlafaye
Love, laugh, be happy and free, God is dead
11:24 AM on 10/09/2011
Keller had no hearing or sight...
12:43 AM on 10/09/2011
For every action there is an equal an opposite reaction" into religion? Hmmm.
For ever sinner there is a saint?
For every sin, a Grace?
Yin and Yang?
E=M "fiat lux" squared?
Eve's apple hit me on the head and I came up with gravity?
Physics applies to rolling dice with the universe, kinetic energy and all that.